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missovo86's picture

Hi...
So I am new. I have more issues than I'll probably ever get around to. First of all, my stepdaughter is 5 years old. I was told that she was "mean" and "hyper" before I met her. Those are severe understatements. This child has SERIOUS problems, I'm just not exactly sure what is going on. She is only with us every other weekend, thank goodness. She is on meds for what they have diagnosed as being ADHD. I, however, do not believe that is the only mental issue the child has. She is extremely manipulative. She would rather watch and study adults and every singlemove they make/word they say than engage in childlike behavior. You have to make her go play because she says "I'd rather watch you". She has a very grandiose sense of self. She legitimately thinks that she is the most beautiful princess in the world. Her psychiatrist told her mother that she hasn't gained any weight, without losing it, since she was getting ready to turn 4 and he was going to send get for a full workup to try to figure out what is wrong with her. She has to be forced to eat, sometimes sitting at the table with very small portions for up to 2- 3 hours. She is constantly fishing for rewards...like "Look Daddy! It only took me 3 hours to eat a bowl of oatmeal!". And when she gets fussed at, her only response is "You look awfully beautiful today!". Her facial expression never changes. She has a flat affect and her voice is monotone. When she gets a whipping, she doesn't seem to feel the pain, so she doesn't care. No sort of discipline phases her. She cut all of her hair off. When I asked her "why", she says "well. I did like my hair.", so she is mentally unable to answer a question. She has lied on me and my husband multiple times. Recently, she came to our house for her dreaded biweekly visit and she scratched her own face to the point it bled and now Child Services is involved. I have a hard time telling my husband bc that's his child, of course he's going to deny the issues, but I can't take much more. I'm very understanding that he is heartbroken bc he knows someone is going to have to lose. That's the only reason I have stayed. Any advice would be appreciated. Trust me....i have literally tried everything I know to try.

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sunshinex's picture

Where is BM in all of this? What is she and your husband doing to help this child? First of all, she doesn't sound too strange up until you mentioned scratching her own face until it bled. The other things seem like standard behaviour of an eccentric 5 year old. Yeah, she sounds odd, but what 5 year old isn't a bit weird? I like people watching as an adult lol it's interesting to see what people do when they don't realize you're looking Smile But a 5 year old doesn't realize you're not supposed to tell people you're watching lol.

It sounds like you're worried about nothing. Aside from scratching her own face, which by the way, we need a bit more backstory on, it all sounds pretty normal. Why did she scratch her face? Are you sure it was on purpose? Also... What whippings are you referring to? And why doesn't she seem to feel pain? Who is hitting her enough that she's become numb to it?! She's 5... What 5 year old needs to be hit for any reason. Can her parents not actually parent her so they resort to "whipping"?

notsurehowtodeal's picture

Whatever her problems may be, I am sure that "whipping" her is not going to be any help and is probably contributing to her issues. Surely her psychiatrist does not condone "whipping" as a form of discipline. If he or she does, I would get a different one.

Indigo's picture

OMG, a 5 year old girl on meds for ADHD, outrageously irresponsible IMHO. Going back to reading ..

EDIT to add: I finished reading the post. My first take-away is that this poor child is surrounded by adults who do not have the child's best needs at heart.

Acratopotes's picture

Ever considered testing her for glutton intolerance.... this cause kids to be diagnosed as hyper active..

for the other stuff, if she says I rather watch you - DH replies, no you are not go and play now...

twoviewpoints's picture

I would think her "psychiatrist" would know that seem ADHD meds seriously decrease appetite.

Go ahead and print out your blog original post and be sure to show it to Child Services when they come knocking at your door.

I wish this child all the best...she's going to need it. Sad

sunshinex's picture

Good point. ADHD meds are an amphetamine. It's hard to eat when you're on amphetamines at 5 years old.

missovo86's picture

Okay...first of all, I really didn't come here to be judged or be called STUPID because of her biological parent's forms of discipline. I have told mt husband not to whip her because it's not doing any good and it's not always the answer. I DO NOT take part in the discipline of this child. I do agree that all children need rules and discipline but I am not saying they need to be whipped necessarily. Now....serious issues? Hiding knives under her pillow? Screaming, kicking, cussing? Getting sent home from school for aggressive behavior towards her teacher? This is concerning for me because I have my own child to protect. That's my job as a mother. She already tried to hurt my cat. She lies so bad I'm scared to be alone around her. I'm just really terrified for the issues to come. I know I'm not the only person on here that can't stand it. I've tried to suggest all the above things you all have said, googling and asking my own therapist, and it seems like I'm the bad guy for pointing it all out. I really think we are dealing with some malnutrition, because when she is with her mother she only eats junk and is allowed to not eat. I know her appetite is probably decreased but she has to eat to live. She has all the symptoms....hair falling out bad, bad teeth, sunkin in face, dark circles under the eyes, no significant weight gain, memory loss. But mentally, there is more and the violence and lack of pain reception are very concerning to say the least. So don't judge me when I came here for help and a place to vent, just like the rest of you.

Acratopotes's picture

Hon - not all off us judged you, actually no one judged you.... you can vent as much as you want, and ignore the posts upsetting you, come back in a week and you will see it was only upsetting cause you had a bad day...

now I ask again, was this child ever tested for any food allergies of intolerance? BM feeds her junk, she might be feeling sick thus not eating anything else, I went through this with my own son.... he's allergic to glutton, took me 8 years to get to that.....

missovo86's picture

Thank You! Supposedly no food allergies. She has a baby sister, approximately 1 year old?, that bites her all the time too apparently?

Acratopotes's picture

have you and DH took her to a doctor to get tested and paid for it..... you can't always believe what them other says

simply tell her to slap the kid that's biting her or bite back... I'm sorry I believe an eye for an eye....
or if she arrives with biting marks call CPS and report it...

Disneyfan's picture

Not taking part in the discipline won't mean a darn thing if CPS feels that child is being abused and/or neglected. If CPS rules that your home is not safe for SD, then SD AND YOUR CHILD will be removed.

Your are rolling the dice by staying in this shit storm. If you feel and you and/or your child is in danger, then walking away should be a no brainer.

ESMOD's picture

If she is being whipped for things that she likely has no control over, she is being abused. Your husband is abusing her when he whips her.

Her mother is neglecting her when she fails to feed her properly.

Neither parent appears to be pushing to find out what is going on with the child and is accepting of her "diagnosis" without questioning the continued issues.

If you are witness to your husband whipping the child, then you risk losing custody of YOUR child.

You didn't say spank, you said whip. That is abusive.

ESMOD's picture

I guess that could be possible but I got the feeling that the "whippings" were designed to cause pain and that he was doing it at an intensity that one would expect the child to react to... but she isn't.

Also, I also know a lot of people that use those types of terms in conversation... when in reality there is no physical butt whipping at all. (I am in the south too).

It just seemed to me that physical punishments might be doing more to cause the child's issues than resolving any. She is hiding a knife under her pillow? She is preparing herself to defend herself from a midnight attack? That tells me, she has something that she needs protection against.. or has needed it in the past.

I'm not saying it's the OP.. or even her DH necessarily. Maybe the BM has had someone around that has harmed her in some way?

missovo86's picture

I'm not disappointed that she doesn't feel pain...thats not normal to not cry when you are getting a whipping or a spanking or not getting your precious little way. She is playing him. And yes I live in Tennessee..so sorry I said "whipping"

robin333's picture

This is very true Fruit.

I will add that the kid might feel pain but is refusing to show it. I remember being beat with welts all over and bruises later. I was that stubborn kid that would not show any sign of pain during a beating even though I knew it would make it worse.

missovo86's picture

The scratching on her face, she did it as soon as her dad was in the other room taking a shower and I asked her of she was itching and she said yes. So i told her not to scratch just rub it lightly and id get some hydrocortisone cream. By the time i got back, she had dug her face. And she did it more in her bedroom that night. And tbh, I habe written down my concerns for child services when they "come knocking on my door", and im not afraid of them because we have done nothing wrong in our 96 hours a month

Acratopotes's picture

simply install nanny cams all over the house, it would be better if you have record of all of this, you never know when the blue force comes knocking on your door..... then you can show them at least what's happening..

she's only 5.... what will you do if she's 12 and accuse her dad of molesting her

Acratopotes's picture

can you not simply say - I'm not the parent, I'm protecting myself.....

also kid is on meds, thus they did try and find a solution, or you start recording and when this is serious then
you simply do a no name call and you report it.....

I will just start recording in case she starts reporting me... then I can proof my innocence and I will say... I'm not the parent..remember every one will be on the recording, if SD has a melt down and screams and call her father names his action will be on there as well... even the spanking..

Acratopotes's picture

Morrimom + Disneyfan,

WHy is it the SM's responsibility to get this kid the right care if her own parents can't? Why can't SM report this to CPS? BM has custody not Dad...

but one thing I know for sure... I will move out and live on my own to protect myself and simply say, when questioned, I've never seen this behavior... not my kid and not my problem... guess I've been in step hell to long

Disneyfan's picture

IF CPS finds that dad's home is not safe due to the way HE parents HIS child, they will pull both kids from the home.

It doesn't matter who has custody. If both parents are making decisions that have a negative impact on the child, then both are abusive or neglectful.

I can't tell you how many times I have watched this play out with blended step families and extended families living together. All it takes is for one adult in the home to screw up with one of the kids. If CPs has an issue with it, all of the kids are placed in foster care until that adult fixes his/her issues.

Acratopotes's picture

shoot I missed it when OP said she has her own kid.....

I will simply move then..... and not be part of any off this, seeing they do not want to try and get SD help on their own and simply accepts the fact that BM put the 5 year old on heavy meds

Disneyfan's picture

Sorry, but that response would have her kid pulled from her home and placed in foster care so quick it would make her head spin.

missovo86's picture

The only thing I can think of to do is be 100% honest about my true concerns and what we have seen while she is with us...96 hours a month. I will suggest to him, maybe he should take her to a Dr and get a second opinion. That was a great idea. They all just say oh poor baby is hyper and doesn't listen. That's all i hear is "doesn't listen". That is the most manipulative child I've ever come across. Its very scary. And no...i don't have to pack up and leave. That would be them, since every under this roof is owned by me. Me, my child and my cat will be staying while he takes his problems and gets out of my home.

missovo86's picture

The mother. And we have no custody agreement. This is something they verbally agreed on before me.

Acratopotes's picture

:jawdrop: :jawdrop: verbal does not count - DH should simply try and change it and get 50/50... or at least get it as per court order.....

BM can turn on him any day and time.... everything needs to be legal through the courts for a better mind set

missovo86's picture

Precisely..which is why i think we walk on eggshells. They would all be happy just ignoring these problems. But i cant.

missovo86's picture

Yeah...bc without a court order she could just say "no" to his visitation whenever she pleases. Its just such a mess.

twoviewpoints's picture

You state in your profile "New to the whole step mom thing". How long have you been with DH and his daughter? You mention in posting you have a baby, so I'm guessing at least a year or two. When did you become aware of SD's behavior and noticeable issues?

missovo86's picture

My daughter is from a previous marriage. She is a year older that his daughter. So mine is 6. And we have been together almost 3 years. Married since June.

missovo86's picture

I knew that she had behavioral problems and I honestly thought I could show her love and be stern on our rules and be consistent and hopefully, she would slowly adapt at our home. I didn't know that there was potentially sociopathic behavior. And it has gotten worse because honestly, I do not think this child cares for me or my rules.

Disneyfan's picture

Where is you daughter's father?

If he is a decent dad, if he learns about the issues your SD has, he will take steps to have custody changed. "Fixing" SD should take a backseat to ensuring that your daughter in in a safe home.

missovo86's picture

Thank you. My child's father was killed in Afghanistan. But my child IS safe. During the 96 hours a month, my child IS kept close. I hardly sleep, sleep with the door locked and my daughter knows that she needs to stay close to me. I don't take my eye off her.

twoviewpoints's picture

"But my child IS safe. During the 96 hours a month, my child IS kept close. I hardly sleep, sleep with the door locked and my daughter knows that she needs to stay close to me. I don't take my eye off her."

Are you saying that you , Dh and your BD6 all sleep four nights a month locked in a bedroom together? That you and BD6 sleep locked in her bedroom together? The SD is locked in SD's bedroom (with a knife under her pillow)?

How do you explain all this to your daughter?

Monchichi's picture

Hiddenmoon there was and she is also the SM whose children were perfect and the SD was the devil for wanting to buy a book. Did horrendous art and many other infractions none of us could understand.

Acratopotes's picture

oh no are we going there again..... I need eye bleach.....

the poster who appointed her DD to exercise and drill the poor SD who ate like a pig, then the SD stole her own money to buy a book and the poor SD could not draw a perfect rainbow?

Now if we are talking about the same poster.... who left year before Hiddenmoon joined... how does Hiddenmoon knows about this

Acratopotes's picture

ah so you are one of the rare people actually reading everything lol.... not like me just scanning...

No we never shall mention her name, she got allot of us booted off and it caused major problems on this site...

just let it go lol.... you have awaken the dragons and crazies now Wink

Monchichi's picture

Bad girl *smack*, she who shall not be named needs to not be named dammmit *smack*

Acratopotes's picture

gaaa Fruity - you just had to open Pandora's box now..... what am I going to do with you woman..

Acratopotes's picture

Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval.

when I replied to your other comment where you asked if I think you are crazy...

yeah we named the beast and now my posts are marked again.... roll out the red carpet please, i think I'm going to do the walk again

missovo86's picture

And just so you all know....my daughter will NEVER BE REMOVED FROM MY HOME!!!!! I am a very good mother. If you want to say things like that, you are not helping, so get off my post. I am not unfit, therefore, the man and problem child will be OUT long before my child goes anywhere. And for those of you who just love being drama queens, it takes more than a disengaged stepmother to pull her child from her over a kid who has clear issues. My child is FINE....so its clearly not me!!!!!!

Disneyfan's picture

I suggest you read up on how CPS works. It doesn't matter how great of a mother you are. IF CPS is called to check up on one kid and deems that the home is unsafe, ALL KIDS ARE REMOVED FROM THE HOME. They are not just going to the pull the one and leave the rest. Their job is to protect all children.

Your husband's poor parenting puts your child at risk.

uofarkchick's picture

I don't think anyone was suggesting that you are in some way unfit. But if this child is as disturbed as you are claiming, aren't you a little bit concerned for your daughter's safety? What if this troubled child did something horrible to your daughter? Since the child isn't over much, maybe that's not much of a concern but if there's even a chance that your daughter could end up a victim of this child, she might be better off staying somewhere else when this child visits.

missovo86's picture

I have no control over what they are doing with this child. The only thing I can do, Is voice my concerns with Child Services and hope they force them to get her the help she needs.

missovo86's picture

Thank you. They can't scare me. I know im a good mother. I appreciate your true support!

CLove's picture

I feel for you Miss. I have an SD17 with what I feel are major psychological issues as well. The BM has been "sort of" diagnosed with Bipolar disorder (cant get a straight answer, not pursuing it at this time, there are more important things to address), and takes medications like Xanax, and smokes a lot of weed, and drinks excessively to blackout state. SD17, who doesn't drink, or smoke anything, also has been given medications all over the place for various issues - her mother gave her her own meds and they ended up in ER.

SD17 has been punching the BMs boyfriend, lying, stealing, and is generally rude and has a huge temper. One time, she was caught in a lie, and she started screaming and shouting uncontrollably. But I am disengaged now, pretty much, and it doesn't affect me as it once did. I hope that your DH is worth all this stress and trauma that you and your daughter (and cat!) are going through. It sounds like it COULD possibly be over medicating. I wonder if it is worth YOU and your DAUGHTER, and CAT finding out, and going through all the discovery to "cure" this child. I'm all for being empathetic, but injuring animals is where I draw the line.

Also what the posters here are saying, seems pretty on the level. If there is ANY risk to YOUR child, whatsoever, I have a feeling it would not go well for you. I'm sorry to read of your departed husband, being lost to a war. That means your little one is doubly dependent on her parent being there.

The child, as she is only 5, there are many years ahead of this kind of thing. She does indeed sound troubled, and it does indeed sound worth investigating. But seriously - ask yourself - is it worth it to you, in the long run?

missovo86's picture

Thank you for your kind words and I am so sorry to hear of your situation. You are probably right, that it isn't worth it. He's a good man, but hes lost.

missovo86's picture

Oh and another thing I might add....the BM does have a history of drug abuse. These are the classic case of people who live off the government, very dirty and uneducated people. Its just an all around terrible thing.

missovo86's picture

I do fear the addiction issues will be passed on. I just wish you all could just witness the way she acts, it would all make sense that I have just had all I can take of this snake.

onwednesdayswewearpink's picture

Just for the record it's not uncommon for southerners to use whoopin/whippin to describe a spanking with hand, spoon, flip flop, or whatever you've got next to you. So don't automatically jump down someone's throat for the vernacular they are using.

notasm3's picture

And sometimes it's really just a verbal "whoopin". My mother could give a good "whoopin" with just a look - didn't even take words much less a physical blow.

moeilijk's picture

I'm just trying to piece the situation together. Before you met your then-2 year old SD, you were told she was mean and hyper. Since then, her bad behaviour has escalated. Your DH has whipped her (anything from one smack as part of how he disciplines to regular full-on beatings, not clear on that) and she does not act as though it bothers her. Now, at age 5, she tries to keep weapons near her when she's sleeping. She seeks to be physically close to you and DH and to earn your DH's approval. She is taking medication that suppresses her appetite and damps down her emotions and creativity.

Honestly, she needs a ton of intervention that it doesn't seem you nor your DH are interested or able to do. You guys get 96 hours per month to create a positive, loving, supporting relationship with this girl, which should include discipline - that's parenting for you - but instead it seems like you just make things worse, physically trying to hurt her, isolating her, excluding her, not wanting her around, making her into the family 'monster'. Wouldn't everyone be better off if your DH stopped bringing her around?

missovo86's picture

Yes absolutely. I'd love it if he stopped bringing her around but clearly that is not going to happen. And I feel like you are really picking amd choosing pieces of my story and turning them around in your own way. The closer I try to get to her, the worse she acts towards me. Its like she is pushing me away and has from the start of our relationship. I tried to show her love, but instead of accepting it, she gets mad when I give my daughter the same amount of attention and starts throwing fits. And by whipping, literally, he barely pops her on her butt but my daughter's heart would be broken if that happened, she would swear it hurt even if it didn't, this child has no reaction to anything. ANYTHING! It's like speaking to a brick wall (I always try to explain to them why they are in trouble). She just states like she's looking through me. And yes I would like to help her....i wouldn't be here if i didn't care!

moeilijk's picture

Of course I am only seeing pieces of your story to start with, so I can imagine when I reflect back what you've said it's incomplete.

The thing is, you have a kid too. When she was 2 years old and acting hyper and mean, did that define who she was for you and for the other adults in her life? Because my kid just turned 3, and you betcha she has moments of being hyper and mean. But it's my job as a parent to help her learn to manage her feelings and her behaviour. If I just decided that my toddler having a tantrum or acting out was A-OK with me since it is her personality - wow, I get a total pass on having to do any parenting, I get to blame the kid and take zero responsibility as a parent, and I get to play victim.

It sounds like your SD learned that the way to express her feelings and the way to control her environment is to throw fits. And she learned that because the adults in her life taught her that it works.

In your example of SD throwing fits when you showed your own daughter affection - what was the result? Did you (or anyone else) have casual talks about feelings, about jealousy, love, etc? Was her behaviour allowed? Did you start withholding affection from your daughter in front of SD? Or did you start withholding affection from SD? What limits and expectations were set? Who helped SD reach those expectations? How?

missovo86's picture

I asked her why she seemed to be upset...for which she answered "because I'm upset!!!!!!" In her super whiney voice she uses when she is asked a question. I explained to her that wasn't the answer to the question i asked, I asked her why she gets mad when she isn't center of attention. Then she does the "uhuhuhuh" (shrugging shoulders, meaning "I don't know"). Its really very hard to have a conversation with her, that is my form of discipline I guess you could say, we talk it out. But with her, it's very hard to talk because she will either do the whiney thing and try to wiggle away from it, or she will just state, completely zombielike. Then after so long of trying to get a straight answer or even having to repeat myself, I have been told just to forget it. So the result is, she gets away with it. One time when she actually answered me, she said that she didn't want my daughter around because she is "the most beautiful princess in the earth and princess said go away".

moeilijk's picture

Are you sure your expectations are realistic? Is your own child very smart? Because the ability to look inside and have any kind of reasonable response to your question (about why angry when not centre of attention) is not really in the realm of a 2-5 year old. They just don't have the ability to think logically and see events in sequence like that. And they definitely lack an understanding of how someone else see them or their behaviour.

ItsGrowingOld's picture

I'm sorry to hear about all your troubles. Your SD sounds very troubled.

Question for you; is BM involved with or living with a man? If so, what is he like? Some of this child's behavior could be a result of abuse by BM and/or someone she is involved with. Some children become withdrawn when abused and some children act out like your SD.

Has anyone called CPS on the bio-mom?

missovo86's picture

Okay so the BM is a classic case of a welfare mother...no offense to anyone! But these people don't work, they look dirty, they get government benefits. Etc. The perfect example of what I am trying to teach my child not to be, and hopefully teach my SD the same. She is actually married to a guy that I have known for a very long time, since High school, but I haven't seen him in years. I do know that when SD is at my house, it really gets under my skin that she is constantly talking about her "Daddy" or her "udder (other) daddy". I told her that I do not want to hear that at my house. I also get very tired of hearing "well...at my mommy's house I can do this. At my mommy's house, I can do that." I have said "you are not at your mommy's and here, we don't do that". I really am not sure of the situation there, I honestly think that when she is there, she is ignored and can do whatever she pleases, and that's why she doesn't like our house. Because she is expected to behave and there is structure here.