Feel like I have no voice
Hi I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I am glad to have found this forum because I just really need somebody to talk to. My SD was 12 when my husband and I first met (she is now 17) and at the time she lived with her BM and we had her on weekends but as soon as he and I got a home together her BM said she wanted to move closer to her job and was not going to take daughter with her so now she had to live with us. I was pretty annoyed by this because my sons were adults and so were his and I was thrilled to finally not have children to raise and was in fact enjoying having her on the weekends and then giving her back. She is a good kid, a little opinionated for my taste but she is a good student and committed and disciplined when it comes to her cheer team. My issue is that her parents let her do as she pleases and I apparently have nothing to say on this matter. This has always been a problem but I am getting to the point where I feel like I have no say in my own home.
She does no chores, and has no responsibilities at home. She is always either at cheer practice, out with friends or with the boyfriend. I was raised very old school and traditionally and raised my sons that way. This young woman has been allowed to date since she was 13, sleeps at friends houses almost every weekend and when she does come home on the weekend midnight is an acceptable hour. She will turn 18 next month so she decided as a birthday present we can pay for her trip to the beach for spring break for a week with her friends. 5 teen girls in a condo on the beach on a 9 hr trip alone and no one but me thinks this is a bad idea. Today school was canceled due to weather she left the house at 10 am and returned at 10:15 pm when asked where she was all day she was with her boyfriend. Once again I am the only one who thinks this is inappropriate. Her mom has now become the Disneyland parent and I have somehow ended responsible for a child that is not mine but expected to have nothing to say about what she does or does not do. This has of course cause arguments between my husband and I. Neither him or his ex think there is anything that needs fixing here.
In the fall my SD will be going to a nearby university and is insisting she will not live in the dorms and wants to live with her friends in an apartment for which we will be responsible for her portion of rent and utilities. I say she should stay home and commute but she has a fit and her parents say it's ok. I feel like I am being taken hostage here and also feel like my morals are compromised being forced to go along with choices her parents make which I am strongly against. Her mom put her on birth control we all know she is having sex with her boyfriend but everyone pretends the birth control is for her cramps. When she spends 12 hrs at the boyfriends house on a "snow day" we all know they have spent the day humping like rabbits but pretend they were watching movies. Now they want to help pay for her college apartment where her boyfriend will be sleeping over most of the week but we pretend he is only going to be "visiting". Since she lives with us and my husband and I share expenses I feel like I am forced to support a lifestyle I do not approve of. I am soooo frustrated, I need advise.
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I think you missed the point
I think you missed the point that for me what annoys me is this is my house and I have no say here. If SD lived with her BM then you would be right they should have the right to raise her as they please but she lives with me since she was 12 and only sees her BM 2x a month for one day Sunday. Her BM does not have to deal with being up til she comes home afraid to fall asleep before she gets home because good parents should know that their children have arrived safely I do. Her father is often away on business and is so tired when he is home he falls asleep before her curfew. Point is my home my rules, except its my home, their rules or lack there of.
Separate your finances. Build
Separate your finances. Build a budget plan and absolutely stick to it. In the budget you and DH figure out the cost and division of your daily routine household expenses (mortgage, grocery, utilities ect). His money pays his share (plus his daughter's) and you pay your share (nothing on your side goes toward the SD).
If Dad on his own or with the help of BM can afford things like spring break and apartments for their daughter? Fine. Let them be fools and pay all this unnecessary things and activities for their little princess. It is not your responsibility to pay for any of this (whether you approved of the activity and/or move or not is a non-issue...keep your personal moral feelings out of it. It's pure finances. Period.)
At least the young lady's parent managed to have enough sense to put the SD on birth control. Again, don't discuss your personal feelings of teenage sex. It's a non-issue (she's not your child to raise or your responsibility). If the parents like pretending, that's on them. As long as the boyfriend isn't sleeping over and/or having sex in your house, let her parents worry (or not) over what she does on snow days. Less for you and DH to argue about. You can't care more than the parents do. It's unhealthy for you to stress-out over what you can't control.
However what you can control is your own finances and what goes on in your home. Until the SD moves out she needs to have expectations. Rules and household responsibilities. She is just short of 18. Eighteen hits and she can move out immediately if Dad doesn't have rules and expectations in place. There is no reason a young lady this age can't do household chores prior to her running out the door to her friends houses. You are not this SD's maid (nor your DH's) and you shouldn't be acting like one to either of them.
Currently you're just throwing up your hands and saying 'there is nothing I can do, I have no say'. You do have say in your home as to some of this and especially over finances. If Daddy wants to put his own personal spending money up in fire with a careless Disney Daddy match, that's his problem. But not one dime of your own money goes to support one bit of this foolish. That is something you can and must control. If you're allowing your money to be a part of what's going on with this girl and what her parents allow her to do, stop that right now. The wallet of stepmom is now firmly closed.
I completely understand your
I completely understand your first paragraph. I was older when I met DH and I had an adult daughter. I thought I was done raising kids too so knowing he had a 4 year old was a huge issue. Plus, BM decided to leave SD with us full time because that was the easy thing for HER to do. So now, I've spent the last 7 years raising a kid I had no intention of raising full time and I've hated my life ever since. I don't remember the last time I genuinely smiled or laughed.
Yep I hear you . I have spent
Yep I hear you . I have spent the last 6 yrs raising a child I had no intention of raising full time as well. When I tell her if she wants to live by her mothers rules than go live with her she tells me no way I would never live with mom. Go figure. I am trying very hard to walk a very thin line some days I just get tired of it all.
I don't think you're too
I don't think you're too strict, you just have different values than her parents and are confronted with that constantly. Normally we select out people whose values are so different because it is uncomfortable to watch.
I think you have two issues. The first is watching your money being spent in a way you disapprove of. Take steps to get control back over your own funds.
The second is knowing that you married a man whose values you don't respect. I don't know what to tell you about that.
You have every right to be
You have every right to be "old school" and traditional with the rules under your own roof. I don't get why some people think it's so wrong for the SM to be strict with her own house rules. Bioparents are allowed to set rules for anyone living in their house. Bioparents are notorious for saying, "It's my rule. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. It's my rule because I said so and I'm the parent." There doesn't need to be a "good reason."
This comment was BS: "I'm not surprised she doesn't want to ever be home, given your desire to be so strict with her for no good reason." I guess some people have lower standards. Again, a bioparent doesn't need to have a good reason for their rules so why should the SM?! My 25 year old daughter knows that if she lived with me full time, she would be required to live by my rules. I don't understand why some people think that SMs are required to be more lenient and more accommodating to the skids.
Don't ever feel guilty for your rules or your money...I wouldn't approve of what your SD does either and I sure as hell wouldn't pay for a lifestyle I don't approve of!! Don't go against your own morals. You're in the minority by having morals and not believing in pre-marital sex. I applaud you for that!! Stick to your guns.
BTW I was a virgin when I
BTW I was a virgin when I married my XH at 20 to whom I remained married for 24 yrs, and no I had never had alcohol and did not till I was 24. So in fact I have not forgotten what it was like to be a young girl which for me meant going to school then going directly to work after school then coming home on a train at 9:30 at night doing my reading and homework on that train then getting home to shower and go to bed and do it all again the next day. On weekends I worked a full 10hr day and still had to be home when my father told me to be. I was raised in a strict traditional home and raised my sons the same way. They always knew if you live in my home your a child and do as we say if your a man then you live in your own home and do as you please.
If my parents expected
If my parents expected certain behaviour and in exchange gave me free room and board, I would be sure to conduct myself the way the gravy train rolls.
In my own situation, I didn't pretend to be independent by staying out all night or sleeping over at a boyfriend's knowing it wasn't ok with my parents while at the same time enjoying the benefits of their wealth. I moved out at 17, paid my own room and board, and conducted myself as I saw fit.
But then again, my parents were married to each other. So there wasn't someone with no say emptying her wallet on my behalf either.
Thank you this is my mind set
Thank you this is my mind set as well. If you want to live like an adult and do as you please than pay your own way and do what you want, Then I would have no problem. But if you want us to pay for your apartment so you can have your boyfriend over every night (he goes to the same university she will be going to and he has stayed in his parents house and commuted his first year) then you can pay your own expenses.
Kids don't grown up also
Kids don't grown up also because parents let them call the shots. I have no problem with kids calling their own shots on their own dime. That changes everything. What I don't like is being called a control freak because I want a say on what I spend MY dime on. Why should I have to pay for a birthday trip for sd? Let her work and save for it herself. she will appreciate it more when she works for it. Why should I pay for sd apartment when she can stay in her room at home and save me money? If she wants her own apartment, let her pay for it. The real control freaks are the kids that tell their parents, I want my own apartment and YOU will pay for it, I want a vacation and YOU will pay for it. On & On it goes.
I can so relate to op.
PS: my sd called the shots on our dime even after she was freaking MARRIED & had a baby.
@ FMSL&stepped.in.it.Thank
@ FMSL&stepped.in.it.Thank you for helping me know I am not crazy, it can be so tiring and frustrating at times. I held my own Bio Sons to a higher standard as well, did that mean they never fell short of it sure they did but at least they were reaching for it. When they chose to live like they wanted they respected my home and rules and moved out and paid their own way and I respected that. My adult sons and I are very close and always have been even when they were teens, they also worry about their SS's future.
I am one that totally
I am one that totally understands EXACTLY how you feel. The sd is good, polite, makes good grades, all of that but, she throws a fit to live off campus in her own apartment when money could be saved with her living at home. I am assuming you and your dh finances are together and therefore you feel you have no voice with respect to finances. You feel like the tail is wagging the dog. The sd birthday is coming up and instead of waiting for a gift from her parents she TELLS her parents what they will provide her for her birthday. You have no voice. If the sd were paying her way she would choose to live at home to save money but because DADDEE is paying she wants her own party house apartment with her friends.
For myself, I found it very aggravating that skids were kids when it was convenient to be a kid, and were adults when it is convenient to be an adult. As a kid they can't pay there own way, as an adult you cant tell them they cant have sex & parties.
I lived it and survived but it wasn't easy. I had no voice and I was very angry about it but nothing I said or did changed anything. Sorry, I wish I had advise for you but I don't. I send you hugs)))
Thank you for understanding,
Thank you for understanding, I often feel very alone here. My BS who were raised in an in tact home with myself and their father think what I allow to happen here is outrageous and often challenge me to put my foot down. Once again I feel voiceless.
I would say I have been doing
I would say I have been doing a bad job since I have raised her since she was 12 and her father is often away on business and her mother only sees her 2x a month. And BTW she only began to be a good student after she moved in with us and I began demanding more from her on her report cards.
Pssssttt...*some* teens are
Pssssttt...*some* teens are having sex. Maybe even *most* teens...but not all. Don't throw them all in the same pit of trash, please!
I agree with what others said...keep your money out of it. If the bioparents can't afford what she wants, she gets a job. I was working by 16 and before that, worked for my dad. My 13son can't WAIT to turn 14 and get a job. They have to have a need for money, and if bios are throwing it at her she will never work.
I don't understand what you want, though. You don't want her there, but you think they should save money by making her live at home. See the problem? I would let them figure it out while I open a nice bottle of wine. I'm sure you're over 21, it's okay to have a glass
She has never worked because
She has never worked because her cheer schedule is so busy and often unpredictable, but cheer is just another huge expense we have been forced to pay throughout all 4 years of HS. My DH will be the first to admit he kept her in cheer to keep her out of trouble. So basically we were paying over $300 a month to keep her out of trouble because he did not have the backbone to just lay down some rules and stick with them.
i dont think OP wanting the
i dont think OP wanting the kid to live at home and commute to college vs having an apartment has anything to do with not allowing the child to grow up. its a financial decision. if i had a bio who went to school nearby id want the same thing. If they want the apartment THEY can pay for it.
You say the problem is you
You say the problem is you feel you don't have a voice. Here's the dirty little secret about being a stepmom - you don't have a voice. You have ZERO say over that child, except what her parents allow you. You just don't.
Now, that being said, you DO have a say in your marriage. You can, and should, have a voice with your husband. So what do you want to say to him? And no, it can't be "make your child do what I want". "I want her to move out"? "I won't pay for her to live in an apartment"? Figure out what you WANT, and what you're WILLING TO DO, and go from there. So far, mostly what I've read is that you think the girl is immoral. That tells me nothing about what you want to DO, and if that's all your telling your DH then he's going to shut you down.
So, once you've got a list of "here's what I want MY HOUSE and MY LIFE to look like from now on" (not HERS, you've got no say there, focus on YOURS), then you talk to DH. Try talking first. If that doesn't get you anywhere, then you go to actions. Maybe it's splitting your finances. Maybe it's splitting the workload of the house (he's responsible for his own laundry and his daughters, for example). Maybe it's getting an alarm system that you set before you go to bed - and if someone isn't in the house by X time then they are not to return until morning. But your first step is to figure out that list of what YOU are willing to do and contribute. Anything not on that list is up to your DH and the BM to do on their own.
Thank you this sentence "I do
Thank you this sentence "I do not want to financially support anyone who is old enough to make their own life decisions." sums up a lot for me and puts it all in a nutshell. My DH and I will be having a conversation.
Separate your finances if you
Separate your finances if you have joint finances that you can not agree on, like her own college apartment and ask DH for a post-nup so in case the marriage fails your money is protected because he will have blown all of his on Princess. It is hard to hammer down on someone that isn't your own kid, but whatever she does outside the house you will have to turn a blind eye to however what she does or doesn't do in YOUR house is fair game. Talk to your DH about house rules, chores and expectations and let him know that if she is gown up enough to become pregnant while she lives her she grown up enough to get her own place to play house because it is not happening under your roof. Even if she is on the pill these kids don't take the pill on time or regularly which can cause pregnancy more so then not taking it at all. If I had a teenage daughter who was having sex I would set her up for the del-shot (3 month protection) or the implant ( 5 year protection). Thankfully I have an 18 year old son, who is a total nerd and is still a virgin, i think he is saving himself for marriage.