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Without starting WWIII can I ask a question...

Stick's picture

Why is that some of us automatically assume THE WORST in motivations, behavior, etc. of husbands, children, and ex-wives...

and some of us automatically assume the best?

I think that's our biggest difference of opinion on here.

You see people post a situation... and the differences come when some posters write back saying that the husband is being manipulative, taking advantage, etc etc... and the other posters are saying well, he might be going through this... or he might be afraid of this....

Why is it that when we post about children - some of us are saying... well, the kids are manipulative by nature and they will take every square inch you give them so be on hyper-alert... and others don't feel that way.

In my opinion.... our biggest issues on this site come down to this fact.

Some of us assume the worst in human behavior.
And some of us don't.

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belleboudeuse's picture

Stick:

I also think that our biggest issues on this site have to do with whether, when someone doesn't agree with someone else, their reaction is to attack and name-call, or to be more polite about the disagreement... but anyway...

As far as your question, I'm sure that to an extent it's because of that old saying "Where you stand depends on where you sit." It's easy for people to assume the worst in motivations of people who seem to be coming from somewhere radically different from us. So, of course, if someone takes issue with something another poster says about, say, a stepkid, I'd say it's most likely because the person taking offense is in a "seat" that makes it easier for them to "see" stepkids as victims rather than monsters. So, the discussion becomes polarized between people who have lots of issues that revolve around the skids, and the people who, probably, have a lot of issues in their lives where they see BM or others treating the kids like crap and it upsets them.

Let's face it -- if I was a BM who had a difficult SM in her life, and I was on a site for BMs, and I read a blog where a BM was ragging on a "crazy SM," I probably would take their word for it that their SM was crazy -- because it would be in my experience that "crazy SM" is a reality I understand.

When we assume the worst in human behavior, generally it is because on some fundamental level, we see the person we're assuming the worst about as not "like us."

BB

"No matter how cynical I get, it's never enough." - Lily Tomlin

belleboudeuse's picture

By the way, that's also why I think that in a perfect world, the solution to a lot of difficulties in step-situations would be for the BM and SM to get together, with or without a moderator, and talk until the two of them saw the commonalities in their experiences: the things they both fear, the things that make them insecure, etc. Because the process of going from considering someone a stranger to thinking of that person as in some ways "like me" is what allows us to stop assuming the worst of people.

However, that will not ever happen in my situation, I don't think. Things are too polarized between BM and me, and not to put all the blame on her, but she has bipolar disorder and seems to be absolutely incapable of seeing or admitting that she has been anything but perfect and right about everything. She's too much like my ex-husband for me to ever feel safe trying to create a better relationship with her, unless she really manages to change fundamentally in the future.

BB

"No matter how cynical I get, it's never enough." - Lily Tomlin

glynne's picture

Agree. I use this site for objectivity. I've had years of SD and DH behavior and though I try to put my resentment aside - it's still there under the surface. I find that when I blog here and get opinions from all viewpoints it helps me see what's right for me and my situation. Maybe my initial point will be negative and full of self pity but once a read others' responses I can usually develop a clearer picture of what is happening and a better path to the solution.

If some responses are bitter and negative I often think - "I've been there I understand" - but my response may be do I want to continue in my anger. Most often the answer is no. Albeit sometimes the anger and resentment inside me and from others' opinions will make me understand that I need to set some boundaries and take care of myself. For me - that's what this site if about.

Glynne

Stick's picture

I guess Crayon, I am thinking this means that if someone is burned enough... they will start to realize the way of the world?

But is it stupidity to know the way of the world, but also still see the compassion in it? Even though it's admittedly smaller nowadays and the world is harsher.

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smnikki's picture

im not sure if it was you or some one else that posted a blog in response to something, but, it said "sometimes we react or respond to certain posts because they strike a nerve with our personal experiences."

I have tried not to come on here too much recently because i noticed that i was being very negative because what i was going through in my personal life...and all i was taking from the site was the negative.

i dont really think that its some one seeing things either negative or positive (but there are issues where this is the case)....but rather it has happened to them, therefore they view the particular action of some one elses dh,bm, or skid based on their experience.

Stick---im not sure if you saw that i realized i had mis read that one blog that i reacted pretty harshly...but as some one i greatly respect on here, our posts back and forth really bothered me. I remembered a post that asked why do we sometimes refuse to see the other persons side or view of the issue....i was so bothered i asked my father about me as a child and going through the divorce and having a step parent...he agreed 100% that at 7 i knew exactly what i was doing, and if it was hurting some ones feelings....now i didnt have pas or anything going on, but i really dont think that skids experiencing pas deserve a free pass to be rude and hurtful

in the end, what i realized i was so upset with was the same thing i am currently REALLY struggling with, Why are so many people allowing others to have no accountability for their actions? (for me its mil, sil's, dh's grandparents, and sometimes ss) and that actually had nothing to do with the post, it was my own issues that i was blindly throwing in to all of it.

Stick's picture

SMNikki!! I did see that post and that you had realized you had misread the blog. But I hope you don't let anything we said to each other bother you! I respect YOU a great deal as well (and you made me smile!).... so I'm sorry that it bothered you. I'm sorry if I made you feel bad or not sure of yourself. Honestly, I just took it as a respectful disagreement of opinion between the two of us!! Smile

By the way - I have been wanting to write to you to thank you for help with the binder. We have more legal to go, it seems. But it has helped immensely - so thank you!!

I do think we all react due to what we are going through. That is definitely true. And I know our experiences also shape our opinion.

I guess I was just wondering how much we take ourselves out of our comfort zone and our own personal experiences to look at these blogs / posts the way a counselor would.

We don't know the true story because we aren't there... so in my opinion, we should go by the old "his side... her side... the truth" .. when reading.

But I also think that's when our ingrained perception of human nature comes into play.

I hope things are going better with you. You are so sweet and I really so hope for you to be happy with your family!! Smile

((( HUGS )))

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smnikki's picture

You are so welcome!!! it was so nice to have some info for another member, and i know our binder helped us sooooooooooo much!

i dont think i was bothered by our respectful disagreement, but rather i was trying to look inside myself to figure out more objectively if there was something i wasn't getting or seeing. eventually i figured out that had i not had the things going on that i did, i would have not responded in that manner. i now can only imagine the sad look on ss's face if i did that to him...also what i realized once i saw i had mis read is, perhaps the little girl sees bm and dh on the same level, and sm is included in the dad part, therefore she wanted to be fair and not dedicate this picture to only bm or dh, and more so wanted sm to be proud of the picture for her dad...but mainly i needed to separate out my feelings of accountability and digest it because that way should something happen like this, i do not re act to ss in a hurtful manner, and its not even him doing something wrong.

that is the positive angle that was the other side of my harsh response, and our disagreement made me focus and look deeper in to what was going on behind me eyeballs.....therefore, even though we had such opposing views, your view made me realize even more about myself....having said that i think that the positive/negative responses of people are productive at time and can push some one to look deeper in to an issue!!

stepoff's picture

"I didn't used to be that way but years of being stabbed in the back have made me harsh!"

Well spoken. Same here. When you get messed over enough times, it makes you grow a 3rd eye on the back of your head. That's why I'm sometimes so suspicious. It's not that I dislike most people, but I just have a hard time trusting people.

Colorado Girl's picture

Ahhh... perception. Smile This very thing has started many a wars, Stick. The same way I can see a glass half full, another can see it half empty, another can have a desire to fill and another a desire to empty... it's this very dynamic that instills acceptance and an ability to move forward, while others will forever remain stuck.

There could be a plethera of reasons for any mindset... ignorance vs experience, victim vs. survivor mentality, paranoia vs. fear, entitlement vs. deserving, projection vs. reflection.. and so forth.

Our minds are shaped by what has been put before us, and we almost always share our thoughts based upon these experiences. I can only assume that you share in my suffering because it's all I know. I also know that rarely is it ever so black and white, right or wrong. Just not right for me. Smile

Love the thought provoking post, Stick.

"For every ailment under the sun....There is a remedy, or there is none;
If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it." ~ W.W. Bartley

Jon-Boy's picture

(STAMP OF APROVAL)
You said it!

I believe it is due to our upbringing. Our environments that we lived in throughout the years, that has placed our actions or lack of actions into our personalities. Due to my upbringing I had it shitty in one home and I had it great in another. I learned out of the "great" environment to endlessly try. Positive thinking anyway I can will ensure me the best results.
I know when my actions or my attitude is in a poor state. It is due to something I learned from my bad environment. And it is something I choose to work on and learn from in my life now.

I know 1 outcome.
"IF I ENDLESSLY TRY" I will win. I will learn, I will complete it.

"IF I TRY FOR A WHILE" I may win, I may learn, I may complete it.

"IF I DON"T TRY" I will loose, I will not learn, I will not complete it

It's funny I wrote 3 outcomes but I know only one...

LotusFlower's picture

well...as someone who has dealt with abuse, depression and suicide in my life, its very simple for me...if I DO not look at things in a positive way...its doomsday for me....quite frankly....I got tired of being down all the time and wanted to be happy, which I think is all any of us wants. I realized what I needed to be happy had to come from me, and that's the power not to let lifes struggles make me a negative person...i know some of u have the perception that I have this skip thru the daisies life, but u have no idea the mud I have had to crawl thru to get to this point.....so for me...I TRY to always look at the positive side of things now...even on the darkest days, because if I don't....I may not be able to crawl back out of that dark well again Smile

A mother is not defined by the "b" or the "s" in front of her name, she is defined by how she handles the "mother" part.....

StepChicka's picture

I like to think I can give unbiased advice. Sometimes that is the intent. Other times I wanna vent right along with that person.

BMJen's picture

It's all in perception. That goes in life as well as ST.

In the beginning of mine and DH's relationship I hated his kids. I cringed at the thought of seeing them. I would go to the bathroom and cry when he'd tell me they were coming over. Anything he did for them I took it as them getting a victory over me, he loved them more. And if I got him to myself for a hour I took it as a triumph over them. They reacted the same way tward me. We all can sit down and admit that for the first year we hated one another.

Something happened though. I looked at my life, at his kids, at my love for him, and I realized that he was hurting. I had to be more understanding. I didn't love these kids, I had to try to like them! There was a girl here, Anne, and though I wasn't a member during her time I read every one of her blogs. Though she wasn't talking to me, by what she wrote she convinced me that I needed to change MY attitude. With me doing that, they would follow, maybe. And they did. It all changed.

DH saw how much I was working at things and he appreciated it. I faked it till I maked it. LOL! Now I love his daughter who is 15, the 21 year old.......I can't honestly say I love her. But I would do anything I can for her, and I do like her, 99% of the time anyways! More important, and regardless of my feelings of her, she's his daughter. With that engraved into my head, engraved by me, it's easier to deal with all of the drama that unfolds.

It's all in perception. You can make yourself happy or not. You always have the power to change the dynamics of your life. If you choose to you can. Anne was the person here that changed my perception. I've since met her elsewhere and thanked her for just being her. We never know what we write here, how it will affect others.

I'm sure that there are people that read these blogs on a daily basis that aren't members, but know us all by avatars and screen names. What we say could very well have a impact on their thought process, and could affect their marriage.

If we could all think about what we write before we do, think about if we are just being nasty, we could stop this drama here. It's ridiculous that people have nothing better to do than come to ST to be hateful to people that they hate, hate but don't even know. It's sad.

It's all in perception. Your blog is right on, as usual.

Stick's picture

I guess Cruella you just illustrated that point that hopefully I was trying to make. You took that little girl's actions for what they were. She was sneaky and manipulative. But by not assuming that's who she was for real.. that's just who she was trained to be... you were able to look past it. I think you helped her to grow hopefully out of that. Is she still sneaky and manipulative to the core? Or was it a cry for help? And, so many people respect you on here..so I am truly asking you this question... do you think if you had treated her like you were just assuming that's who that kid is and that's who she will always be... do you think she would be better off or worse off now?

Thanks for answering!!

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