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Hi everyone I'm new here and have a relationship/children question. So very long story. I'm in a relationship with a man who had left his wife but not officially separated via proper procedures. We have been friends for a very long time. It became romantic. His soon to be ex has told his children he cheated. She has given the 9 and 12 year old a complete run down of what he did. And yes he was absolutely wrong. He has gone back a few times because he was guilt ridden about leaving the kids. He was trying to maintain this relationship with me and fix things w his kids. He has gone through custody proceedings, however the kids won't leave the house with him. They are also not allowed to have any contact with me. He is a mess. We decided to take some time apart because he is such a mess.. emotionally. He was dragging his feet on the divorce paperwork partially due to his lawyer but apparently that is going to start soon. I feel I'm doing the right thing backing off. But I feel like shit basically. I also question sticking around. I told him he has a lot to unpack and the divorce hasn't even started yet. What are everyone's thoughts on all this ? Thank you 

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Rags's picture

The odds of a successful life together with this guy are zero and none.... at best.

He is not confident enough to be your equity life partner.  Your life will be catering to his failed family baggage.

I strongly recommend that you more than take some time apart. End this.  In fact, it has ended. Block and move on. Safe yourself from this lost cause.

As for the kids refusing visitation. If there is visitation CO, the kids do not have the option of not visiting. He needs to drag BM to court on a contempt motion for interfering in his time with his kids each and every time "they" refuse to comply with the schedule.  Make them see mommy get her ass bared in court for violating the visitation order.  Every time visitation is not adhered to. As the NCP, he has the advantage of refusing visitation. BM does not have the option of refusing daddy's visitation time with his kids.

Kara55's picture

You have a hostile BM, hostile kids and a partner who is "dragging his feet." Step life is difficult under the best of circumstances and these are terrible circumstances. Save yourself.

CLove's picture

I too started a relationship with a man who was "separated not divorced", and they were both seeing other people, yet still intimate while separated, the skids were on board with their parents moving on. He eventually got his divorce final, and he also dragged his feet so as to not "rock the boat" and to "keep things nice".

Rubbish. If I could go back in time and smack myself I would. 

So, that being said, here is my advice:

1. Read around here a  LOT. The stories you will find are eerily similar. Read the forums. Read not just the posts but also the comments!

2. Stay separate, do not consider moving in together. Stay on your "break". Go limited to no contact. Rip that bandaid off. I promise in 3-5 days you will feel better.

3. Love is not enough. There are other men/people out there to love who will love you back who do not have this level of toxic baggage.

Welcome to steptalk!

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I also once fell for the "we are separated but living together due to money/kids" line of bull crap. "I sleep on the couch!" The whole "I tried going back, for the kids, and...um...ok, yes we slept together but it was just the ONE time!" This was a long time ago but lesson learned. If this guy is not 100% all-in with you, ready to make a clean break from BM, get the divorce and CO, follow it, and have a business-only type relationship with BM - it's never going to work. ETA some relationships do start with an affair, and i think Tom Hanks and his wife started that way. So it's not that it can't work. But if the guy is a mess and dragging his feet on the divorce, nope. 

Rags's picture

My XW tried to convince me that once we were divorced we could date and sleep together.  

Nea

I did not take her up on that offer. The last time I put eyes on her was as we were walking out of the courthouse after the final divorce hearing. I stepped off hte curb, sped up, and showed her my ass as I headed to the parking lot. She stood on the curb for a minute or two and was just stepping off to head to the parking lot as I pulled away. 

Not sure what her internal churn was at that point. She had been cheating for years, she pissed the Judge off with her snarky disrespectful crap during the final hearing.  I was not about to comfort her or give her a hug. I was blessedly done. Though she was the one who played the Divorce card.

CajunMom's picture

I am assuming from your post she is accusing her exDH of cheating with you...using the "not legally separated" mindset. As Kara55 said, under the best of circumstances, Steplife is HARD. Add in the kids (young and impressionable ages) thinking of you as the reason their parents are divorcing.....you are stepping into a life of pure Hell. I say this with ZERO judgement....just from a factual stand. I'd move on from this relationship...let that man figure out his life. Find someone who is truly available for you. 

 

notsurehowtodeal's picture

Completely break up with this guy and don't make any kind of contact until at least a year has passed since the divorce is final. That will give him plently of time to figure out how to handle everything on his own. If he reaches out then, you can consider seeing him again. The problem is, the kids may never accept you given what BM has already told them. He is not available for a relationship right now and if you stay in contact it is going to bring you nothing but heartache.

SSA17's picture

Thank you everyone yes I agree that this feels like a shit ton of drama. The only reason I felt this would work was because I've known him so long. However that doesn't make the situation better or easier. The BM is a horrible narc she has been abusive to him for years and he stayed.. so I question what the hell he is doing. I'm trying to be strong and just stay away for good or until he is truly divorced and possibly ready for something more. It's just heart breaking at this point 

Rags's picture

Just because you have known him forever does not make him quality partner material.

Past behavior being the best indicator of future performance, IMHO he has DQd himself from the quality equity life partner pool.

Yes, stay away for good. Period. Dot. No until, just be done, stay done, and get on with living your best life.

You owe yourself that.  That includes not taking the cast off from BM's bed.

His baggage will never be gone. Even after he divorces, if he ever actually does divorce.  Not after a year post divorce, or even a lifetime post divorce. His baggage, will be yours if you ever make the mistake of re-engaging with him.

Take care of you.

Invest in living your best life. Which cannot possibly include this failed man, failed father, and failed partner. If he is included, it is not your best life.

IMHO of course.

JRI's picture

I applaud you for keeping some distance and not getting sucked in.  Wise lady.  As we say on Steptalk, "he hasn't done the work".  If he's always been a good friend, tell him to look you up when he's divorced, has his own place and has his custody on a normal basis.  Even then, I'd be very cautious.  Good luck.

SSA17's picture

I guess what I don't understand is why not get this done and move on. He doesn't want to be with the BM. He feels guilty for leaving his children and almost in a freeze state. But I can't be his fix. What has everyone here done to get past something like this?

notsurehowtodeal's picture

He does want to be with BM, on some level, or he would finalize the divorce. It is more than just the kids. You get over this just like you get over any breakup. Cut off all contact and don't stalk him on social media. If you need to wallow in your hurt for a few days, do it. Then, get busy. Do whatever makes you happy. I would recommend taking a break from dating and concentrate on other aspects of your life. Make yourself happy without a man for awhile.

Rags's picture

He says he doesn't want to be with BM.

His actions clearly demonstrate otherwise.

Categorize people by their actions and never be fooled by their words.

Take care of you. Get on with living well. He is not any part of living well.

Give rose

Kloewent's picture

You will not have a happy life with this man. I can tell you from watching my father and other men, even if you marry and have kids one day, you will end up in the exact same place as BM is now. He will be telling another young woman you are crazy and abusive and they are only staying together for the kids....blah,blah, blah. It is what he does and he will do it to you. Please don't fall into this hole. Get out, break contact, tell him to contact you in a few years, then go live your life. You deserve better.

grannyd's picture

Well said, Kloewent. As Rags often insists, 'The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour!' 

Rags's picture

grannyd,

While I use that fairly frequently, it is not my original content.  It was paid for by more than one of the top tier companies I have worked for over the years as part of various pesonality profiling, behavioral assessment and behavioral recruiting/interviwing training.

The original statement is "The best predictor of future performance is past behavior."  

"Bast behavior is the best predictor of future behavior" is a modification I adapted for the blended family world over the years.

I am confident it applies as much if not more in personal/family relationships than it does in business relationships and environments.

Felicity0224's picture

Yes, I agree with this completely. Men cannot be "held hostage" by women unless they want to be. He has some reason he doesn't want to end the marriage, and I promise it's not just about the kids. That, combined with the issues of his kids being hostile towards you will add up to years of heartache if you stick around.

And, I'll add that cheaters do not change. Yes, there are examples of those who have, but they're few and far between. My XH strung along the woman he had an affair with for 5 years. He was not faithful to her for even one moment of their relationship - she was shocked that when we divorced, he didn't miraculously become the perfect partner to her. By the time she got sick of his cheating and cut ties altogether, she was nearly 40. She wasted some of her best years on him. Now, I don't feel sorry for her because she never showed one ounce of remorse for participating in destroying my family (like you, she was convinced that I was a crazy/awful wife blah blah blah). I actually feel kind of vindicated that she ended their relationship in absolute misery when she was so confident that it would be "different" with her. 

If I were you, I would cut ties and never look back. You have a lifetime ahead of you, and you should find a partner who is capable of treating you well and comes with considerably less baggage. 

Harry's picture

You can not have any type of relationship with a man.  Who still did not breakaway from his future ex.  His kids will not talk or visite you.  You can't even have him leaving you at all important times. Holidays  birthday, to be with his ex and kids as you sit home.  Take a year off.   You have time ,nobody normal will want him.  See how you feel after a year,  

thinkthrice's picture

Just don't!  You will regret it.   This guy wants to have his cake and eat it too.

This shows that he is juvenile/immature and not relationship material.   He should have "TOXIC" stamped in red on his forehead. 

SSA17's picture

Hi everyone, I've taken steps to just avoid this drama. However, he came at me with thinking I was with someone else. His soon to be ex fabricated this whole story and texts about me with someone else.. as of course a smear campaign.. and he is upset with me carrying on.. I'm like ok.. look this is the most ridiculous thing I've seen or heard and you two are drama! Come to find out the picture he was sent was of a guy that passed away about a month ago. I was just floored. So his soon to be ex used a person who passed to try to make me look like I was involved w someone else. I said if that didn't convince me this was done nothing would. I have to laugh at this point 

Rags's picture

You are done, right?  Like done, done. Zero contact, no leaving the door open fo try again some time down the road.. Not now, not years from now.  No booty calls, or accepting tearful phone calls of lament.  Zero, zip, nada.

Unless his STBX departs this mortal toil, she will always be an active factor. Even then she would be the Sainted BM/XW. His spawn, will be an even worse eternally active factor.

A viable formerly married/failed family breeder partner is so exceptionally rare as to be the proverbial Unicorn.  Make sure your Unicorn detector is highly tuned going forward.  Only engage in a relationship with the proverbial Unicorn BioParent.  There are non breeders out there. They are rare, but they do exist.

I count my lucky stars constantly at the blessings of my life with my incredible bride and the son we raised together.  Beyond some fairly manageable teen boy brain fart stuff, he was a great kid.  He is also a great man/adult.

Take care of   you.