14 years living with my husband still haven’t spoken to my four stepchildren.
My husband and his wife split up 20 years ago and we started living together 14 years ago. We had been involved in a relationship for most of his married life and eventually his wife found out and after four years of trying to save the marriage he came to live with me. I have never had a conversation with his four adult children, two daughters and two sons. Youngest 31 to eldest 40. I have only met three of them once and the eldest i met once at a religious ceremony years ago and he refused to shake hands with me and has refused to even look at me since if we meet at family functions, funerals, and weddings. I met his daughters once at a funeral and he had to beg them to shake hands with me which they did with an outstretched hand and their faces turned away.
while my husband would be happy if things were different he is also quite content for things to remain as they are with him meeting them on their own without me. He says they won't meet me, they refuse to travel in the car with me, ignore any texts i send which is very few to one daughter.
i have always been there and am on hand always to advise my husband how to deal with their problems, with boyfriends, health problems etc.
His eldest son has not spoken to his father my husband for 14 years. when he asked him outright if we got married after a trip we took to Italy twelve years ago my husband denied it. We did get married on that trip which we basically eloped. He has since basically disowned his father but is not as hostile to him as me but they never meet up privately and they have no relationship.
when we attend gatherings for family occasions my stepson will not speak to me or his father and won't even look at me. This is going on now for 14 years. None of them ever visited our home. One son does speak to me occasionally on the phone but he lives in another country. He's fine with us. When his other daughter comes home on vacation from where she lives abroad she fully expects my husband to drive her here and there, go for meals, days out etc but I am not allowed to be present. And it always causes us awful stress when she comes back to the area.
it has all come to a head again this weekend for Father's Day when daughter no 2 arranged for herself and her father to have lunch in our local restaurant but I was not invited. My husband made an excuse and said he was not available. A family wedding is also coming up and we are not attending because of the son but again my husband scheduled eye surgery on that day as a reason not to attend.
basically my husband really wants to keep each part of his life separate as he did with the affair and I know he would love if I gave my blessing to the Father's Day lunch with her and him on their own but the humiliation would be too much for me as we live in this town so he made an excuse to cancel with her.
I am devastated and demoralised but try to ignore it and carry on but I do feel that my husband should be more truthful with his kids. In a way it's still like an affair except we are living together. But he keeps both sides separate. I have also suggested we just both show up to lunch but my husband says that the daughter would leave in tears very upset and he refuses to do anything to upset them ever. He gets very angry with me if I suggest just showing up together or travel in the car with him and let them like it or not.
He has tried many times he says to speak to them and explain the stress their behaviour is causing but it falls on deaf ears. They blame me for the affair even though they can't stand their own mother and keep as far away as possible from her. She made the breakup very difficult for them and continues to keep up the hate.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I have run out of ideas, tolerance and energy with the whole situation. It's an awful strain on our marriage.
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Well if he's still married
Well he might not want to fully move forward yet with blending families. If it's been this long then might as well just stick with the status quo bc changing a 20+ year habit is gonna be hard and slow
If a dude was hiding his own children, I probably wouldn't want to meet them either. Probably for your own good because what if they're violent, petty, etc
We are both in our 60s and I
We are both in our 60s and I have no children of my own.
You are "the other woman" and
You are "the other woman" and their parents split up because of his cheating. I think you need to reconcile yourself with them never wanting a relationship with you. Why do you have an issue with him having lunch with his daughter on Father's Day? When I took my Dad out for FD breakfast, my stepmom declined saying it his time to spend with his children. Her children took her out for Mother's Day and Dad stayed home. Same reason.
His children are adults and they are allowed to choose those with whom they have a relationship. They choose to not have one with you. You pushing for more could end your marriage.
Facts. I know this hurts both you and DH.
While it has been going on for the better part of 30 years and you have been cohabitating for 14, you will always be their father's mistress and their father will always be a liar. You and their father did break up their parent's marriage. Those are the facts. Of course there are any number of other facts in play.
Not only did he lie to his kids and his wife for nearly his entire marriage to their mother, he lied about being married to you and having a wedding on your Italy trip.
Your entire relationship is pretty much a lie. If I were his kids, I would have nothing to do with either of you and I would not just not shake your hand, I would not shake my own father's hand.
That all said, I agree with your not hiding. That means you have a choice to make. Either hide and let him keep you in the shadows, or, live your lives together regardless of the history and the disdain you will always be held in by his kids. I would go to the FD event with his DD. Whether he wants you there or not. Don't tell him, just go on your own, sit down, say hello to the SKidult SD and wish your DH happy fathers day.
While there will in all liklihood never be any respect for you, or for their father, you and their father have a life to live together so .... live it, together. Do not hide, do not live your life together separately. There is no need to be in open conflict with his failed family progeny, though IMHO you and DH needs to be present together and be confident together.
I get the disdain that you and your DH are held in by his adult children. I hold my XW and her geriatric Fortune 500 executive sugar/baby daddy cheat partner in much the same disdain. She was knocked up by him when she moved out of our recently purchased marital home. At last count, as of 12 years ago, she is on DH #3, has three all out of wedlock children. Her eldest and youngest are cheat babies conceived while cheating on a husband. Her eldest was conceived while she was married to me, her youngest conceived while she was married to grandpa sugar/baby daddy who she left me for. Fortunately, from wedding to divorce was only 30 months for me and not the decades of your DH cheating on his family.
I do feel for everyone in your blended family dynamic. It is tragic in every facet.
That said, you have a life to live and a marriage to live together. Figure out how that looks and how to live that. The rest, is unfixable. But, do not hide. Do not do that disservice to yourself and do not let DH do that to you.
IMHO of course.
Thank you. All we want is a
Thank you. All we want is a civil "Hello" They don't have to like me but there is a common courtesy for their father's sake. They think they are hurting me but it's him they are hurting. I usually just let it pass but sometimes I get really angry that my husband just won't stop say to me. Come along to the lunch and if they don't want that let them be the ones to walk out. The same with the car. They want me not to sit in my own car !! When they call their Dad they tell him to get out of the car to speak to them !! He's made an excuse to not goi to the lunch but I would prefer if he said that it's just too hurtful for us rather than making up excuses that are not the truth. Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.
Take care of yourself.
As for your DH hurting, he is the source of that hurt. He seems to be riding this whole thing as it goes down in flames with his kids. If there is any chance of a less catastrophic ending, he needs to man up, grab a handful of man sack, and come completely clean with his kids throwing himself on tehir mercy. They do not respect him and never will if he does not just stop lying, and come completely clean with them.
Yes, they probably already know. But he needs to say it face to face with each of them. Full disclosure and full owndership if every bid of it all.
You cannot fight this battle for him. You also cannot let him off the hook for owning it.
I cannot immagine having to sit down with my kids and tell them what they muct be told. That does not mean that it shouldn't happen. If it does not happen, this will never end. Not only will it never end, it will never improve.
I fear that you are the one who will be the one to suffer most significantly in all of this. You are a victim of your DH as much as his kids are a victim of their father.
Given the fact that you were
Given the fact that you were his mistress.. and broke up their family.. I am not sure that they will ever get to that point with you.. unfortunately.. it is a price that you are paying for the way your relationship started.. Of course, your DH is also guilty for it.. and it sounds like his children do blame him as well.. but he IS their bio father.. so it complicates how they feel.
I honestly think you should accept they will never accept you.. I would not prevent my DH from having some relationship with his kids.. I would not attend family functions with him... I would not be a secret.. but would not want to be involved with people that despise me I have better things to do with my time.
I don't think there's much
I don't think there's much chance that you can change the status quo and have a decent relationship with your adult step children. However, I would say that I think it's completely unfair that you are the one blamed for the affair and they are still speaking to their father. He was the one that broke his marriage vows to their mother, not you. But hey, the step parent always gets blamed for everything! Yes, I am bitter.
Why does he need your
Why does he need your blessing to meet with his children on Father's Day?. You don't have relationship with his kids so where he supposed to spend Father's Day? With you instead of kids?
i understand that common courtesy would be for them to say hello but in your situation common courtesy just doesn't apply here. Common decency suggests to not get involved with married people for the entire duration of their marriage. So I don't think common courtesy and decency are relevant here
yea the father is the one who was cheating his whole marriage, not you. They should be mad at him more. But he's their dad and they didn't want to severe ties with him so perhaps they forgave. They aren't obligated to engage with affair partner. I could maybe understand brief affair as it happens. But having the entire relationship most of their marriage is such ultimate betrayal and slap in everyone's faces. That's not something people just move on from.
How do you know they can't stand their mother? If you have no relationship with the kids how would you know? Your husband told you? He proved that he cannot be trusted. One needs to be a very skilled liar to hide an affair from the entire family for years. He can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything. So I'd not worry about their relationship with their mother, regardless if it's true or not.
I understand you are hurt. But we lie in beds we made. So that's the aftermath of a bad choice. It can't be changed. You can't undo the past. I'd focus on something else in life.
If you want relationship with children you can maybe volunteer in pediatric hospital or school. Or maybe you have relative with kids, nieces or nephews etc Relationship with his children will likely never happen.
"But having the entire
"But having the entire relationship most of their marriage is such ultimate betrayal and slap in everyone's faces. That's not something people just move on from."
Well, they obviously have moved on from it regarding their father - even though it was not their stepmother, but HIM who betrayed his marriage vows. Yes, Rosewood had an affair, but unless you are mightily religious, this is not a crime, perhaps he told her he was unhappily married - it is obvious he is a good liar as you said. But why blame and punish Rosewood. If I were Rosewood, I would be quite happy never to see these passive aggressive adults, to be honest. It's their father who is a despicable human being, not her.
On the other side of the coin, I got treated as an "affair partner" when I wasn't one, as BM lied to my SDs when they were young and told them their father and I had been having an affair for 2 yrs before they split up, which was a complete lie. DH didn't find this out until about a year ago, SDs are now both late 20s - and of course the damage was done many years ago. We didn't meet each other until he'd moved out into his own place.
That's not uncommon for
That's not uncommon for people to forgive their family or perhaps they didn't forgive but just decided to keep a relationship with him. He's their dad. We don't know why they decided to maintain relationship with their dad. All we know they don't want relationship with affair partner. I don't know if it's passive aggressive. They just don't want her in their lives. Especially if it was not a brief affair but years of betrayal and lies. No it's not a crime. But them not wanting her around isn't a crime either.
People can insist that kids must accept her but the fact is that they don't have to.
I am not saying she is despicable or thaf she commited a crime. I personaly think that sleeping with married men for years behind wives and kids backs is not an honorable act regardless if he's married happily or not. I understand if others think affair partners are poor victims. But what we think isn't relevant
The point is that kids don't think it's ok. And that's a reality. What we think about affairs is irrelevant.
My take on it
Before I had DD, I didn't think too badly about people who cheated, probably because it was such a norm from where I grew up. My own parents didn't make it because my dad was a cheater (he still is and he's 70). I love him, but I don't have much respect for him, because all my life I've seen him operate for his wants vs what's best for family. I do not plan to inconvenience myself much if he ever needs me, because he didn't inconvenience himself for me. I do realize he was very young when he started having his kids, and I'm working on forgiving him and being at peace with everything, for my sake.
Having a family of my own creation now, I see things a little different. Firstly, I see that a lot of people do not approach starting a family with intentional procreation, a lot of these kids are just byproducts of sex. It seems there are a lot of "oopsy babies" and this gives an excuse for many men to say they were ensnared by a woman with their child.
However, once a child is created, I do believe in the sanctity of family. Not a lot of men or women will look at that child and love them the way the bio parents would. That child then needs their parents, and if they can all live together it is the ideal situation for said family.
For varying dynamics, many times the first family has to break up. In your case, you admit that the children were 11-20 years old when their parents split, and you were part of that cause. 11 is still pretty young to have your family broken because your dad was emotionally immature, decided to cheat for years and eventually leave. To then end up married to the person he cheated with must have cemented their dislike of you. You mentioned that you can't allow your blessing for him to have a Father's Day lunch with his daughter because it would be "too humiliating" for you, but I'm sure the stepkids were humiliated by what their father did, yet there he is with you x amount of years later.
You entered into a relationship with someone who vowed to honor his family above all, but didn't. What the kids needed and would have probably been in their best interest (at least until they were all 18), was pushed to the side by their father and you to do what you both wanted to do. You didn't care about what the kids needed, and you moved forward with what you wanted (rightfully so, those aren't your kids and you didn't hold their best interest at heart). Those decisions fractured their first family. I can understand why they wouldn't want to have much to do with you (even though you're not the one breaking vows), and why they would have lost trust/respect for their father. It makes sense to me that now that they are adults, they don't care to have a relationship with the woman who they see as taking their father away from them. Had he taken custody of the kids when he left ex wife, it could have maybe been a different story (and you likely wouldn't have stuck around), but he didn't. So there you are.
Your decision to participate in the destruction of said first family home cannot earn you a seat of love and respect in their eyes, and probably never will at this stage of the game. He decided to cheat for his entire marriage with you, and many of us don't stop to think that kids are only kids for a few years, then they are adults for the rest of their lives. They know that he abandoned them, and they are going to have to work through the disappointment/hurt/misdirected anger, if they choose to.
You had to have seen that it couldn't have turned out any other way. You can't expect it to be much more than what it is now, not unless you took it upon yourself to apologize for your role in the breakup of their family. Even if you did, I fear it would be too little, too late and they would still want nothing to do with you, so I would say to just move forward.
The same likely goes for their father. Whatever relationship they have now won't be one based on trust or respect, your DH has to do that work with them if he wants either one. I would advise you to just step back and disengage. You got what you wanted anway (the DH), it's unlikely that you're going to be able to have a positive relationship with his kids by nature of the origins of your relationship with their dad.
I would just focus on being supportive to DH and allowing him the space to try to make it right with his kids.
What a brilliant and
What a brilliant and insightful post, SMto3! You've phrased your observations in the kindest way possible while still presenting the harsh facts of the O/Ps standing with her husband's children. Rosewood’s statement:
.... he refuses to do anything to upset them ever...
resonated with me since, clearly, she and he destroyed that family, generating more upset than any child ought to endure. How could they not despise the woman who, knowing that their father was married, began and maintained a relationship with him?
Having been betrayed by an ex-husband, I’m experienced in the grief, the trauma, of having been left with two children of 4 and 5-years-old, without a job or any way of supporting us. My ex-husband travelled half a continent away to escape financial responsibility for his young family.
The shame of having to admit to my family doctor that I needed tests for sexually-transmitted diseases was more embarrassing than you can possibly imagine for a strictly raised, faithful wife. My ex-husband was the only man with whom I’d been intimate.
Rosewood, you have no idea of the pain that you helped to create with your complicit lies and adultery. If you had a scrap of empathy, you would not expect either kindness or respect from your stepchildren. You don’t deserve it.
I don't think anything can be done to fix this
but it's a precautionary tale for others on why not to have an affair. I'm not saying you and your husband shouldn't be together but I'm saying he made critical mistakes in the beginning of your relationship that are decades later still causing you pain.
He should have left his wife and moved out and waited an acceptable amount of time (say six months) and then divorced her and then started a relationship with you slowing introducing you to his children and letting a relationship develop naturally.
My first ex husband cheated on me with an affair partner and I would have gone scorched earth on him and caused endless drama if he had made his affair partner my kids' stepmother. His wife now I very much like and have a great coparenting relationship with and my kids love and adore her. They have a great relationship with her. She even takes my DD9 and does stuff with her. My stepkids love her. That's why it's so important to do it right and your husband should have conducted himself with patience and could have set you up in a completely different life with different relationships if he had only been honest with himself and his ex from the get go that he didn't love her anymore and should have gotten divorced the proper way. I don't know how it can be fixed now. I'm sorry.
I actually like
my ex's affair partner who became his second wife. Weird, huh? I can't stand my ex so there is that.
I agree that there's no
I agree that there's no fixing this situation. My father's mother cheated on her husband (my grandfather) and divorced him to move in with (and eventually marry) her affair partner/2nd husband when my dad was 28. My father had zero respect or regard for the 2nd husband, but always was polite and civil to him. He also lost all respect for his mother, but continued to visit her and carry on a superficial relationship until she died many years later. We kids had no idea of any of this until we were adults ourselves. My point is that some kids will "accept" an affair partner, whether or not they like or respect them, and others won't. In retrospect, I doubt my grandma's 2nd husband was ever comfortable around her kids, even though they were polite. There was a lot of dislike and resentment there, albeit cloaked in politeness. In some respects being ignored and left out (which is what HIS kids did to him and my grandma) might be preferable. After 14 years I think the die is cast - your skids are never going to accept you or your relationship with your husband, and it's best to resign yourself to that.
"There was a lot of dislike
"There was a lot of dislike and resentment there, albeit cloaked in politeness. In some respects being ignored and left out (which is what HIS kids did to him and my grandma) might be preferable."
There is something to be said for not subjecting oneself to interactions that are inauthentic. For many years, I settled for the phony smiles and insincere words dished out by my husband's relatives. Wanting acceptance, I kept turning the other cheek, ignoring rudness and poor treatment. It was like swimming with sharks - stressful, bad for your health, and always a lot going on under the surface.
OP, you need to let go of the idea of ever being accepted by your DH's adult kids. Letting go of hope was the best thing I ever did in my step situation. Acceptance will allow you to move forward and focus on building relationships with people who DO want you in their lives.
Step life is hard. Myself and
Step life is hard. Myself and my husband are very happy together apart from the odd occasion when kids upset us. My husband says everyday that if he didn't leave that marriage he would be dead. If he didn't meet me he would be dead. I believe him. The ex wife is psychiatrically disturbed. His adult children can't deal with her at all. They know now that their father had an awful life with her and married her when he was 24 years old. They avoid her as much as they can and the most thing they are annoyed about is that he left them to deal with her. !! He stayed for the children. Yes he could have left when they were young but he knew she wouldn't make it on her own without him. His adult children ring their father every week except for the son who won't speak to him. They ring for advice for every part of their lives. Careers, partners jobs etc. We are always here to help. They know that we discuss everything and try to come up with a solution for them. They know I'm involved with all that. He meets them on his own and speaks to them in the phone on his own.
I don't subscribe to the advice that they don't need to be polite. I think that we all have to try and do things for people we love. They love their Dad very much. He even went on vacation with one of his daughters last year and I stayed at home. My life is very lonely. I have no family of my own. I live with chronic pain which plays a huge part in the difficulty of our lives. I don't expect them to like me at all. But I do think they should be able to say hello. I think they should try to do that for their Dad who single-handedly raised them and educated them and paid for all their education and they all have fantastic careers and own their own homes. None of them are married of course. I blame the way their mother tortured them after she found out about the affair. She involved them in things that they were too young to understand. She got a very generous divorce settlement and lives in the lap of luxury while we struggle daily. I take all the advice given and am grateful for it all. It hurts to hear that it's all our own fault and that I deserve what I'm getting. I know that I have been to their fathers back for more than 30 years to help him keep going and still do. I did not have my own child and I should have and that's the biggest regret I have. But it was hard to do that with a married partner.
Regardless of any of your
Regardless of any of your justifications, they have a right to their feelings. Regardless of what kind of woman their mother is, there is still the fact that this was a many-years affair with their married father. An affair was not his only choice.
I don't subscribe to the advice that they don't need to be polite.
You don't have to subscribe to that advice, but you cannot demand someone treat you in the manner you prefer. Maybe their anger is too deep to be polite to you. Maybe they are uncertain if they can maintain civility so they choose to avoid you instead of compromising their actions. In this world, you can expect politeness from every person you meet, but they do not have to cater to your desires.
Here's the thing
"She got a very generous divorce settlement"
As she should have, especially since for most of their marriage, you were sleeping with her husband! That marriage didn't have a shot in hell. Are you suggesting that she shouldn't have gotten a generous divorce settlement? She might have become psychiatrically disturbed, but he vowed to forsake all others for her...in sickness and in health, and that was obvously the "in sickness" part. Not trying to judge, my husband also left his ex wife when she went off the deep end. It's easy to stick by someone through the healthy, happy and easy times. Also, he couldn't have single handedly raise them, but also left the marriage and her with the kids. And...maybe none of them married because of the pain they endured when their parents were divorced because of cheating. Many people in those circumstances grow up to fear marriage.
That being said, I don't believe that he should have stayed with her, especially if it would have been the best for them as a family unit, and I also don't necessarily think you "deserve" what you're getting, it's more that it's a natural result that your stepkids don't care for you because they see you as a contributing person to the downfall of their first family. It's not necessarily on you to defend yourself to them, more on your DH to try to help them see what an amazing person he thinks you are, so much so that he feels he would be dead without you. If he can have them see that, maybe they can understand. Otherwise, the time for trying to blend with them would have been right at the beginning of your relationship with their dad after he gave up trying to be with his ex...but he chose to elope with you and keep you separate from them.
For a lot of us, we started off without the cheating backstory and our stepkids STILL don't like us....just because! Some of us have actually been the moms their moms weren't and they dislike us because of it. Some of us actually did grow to love our stepkids, only to be forgotten or snubbed once they reach adulthood. We usually advise each other to disengage because really at the end of it, there's not much we can do. Once they're adults we can demand to be treated with respect, especially in our own home, and we can set boundaries with our DHs/SOs so that they know they can opt in for abuse from skids, but we don't accept it.
The way you guys started was probably worst case scenario for blending families, so I wouldn't die on the hill about stepkids not wanting to interact, because the likelihood is they probably never will. I get that DH discusses their issues with you and the advice he gives them contains some of yours, and they probably know that, but like another poster mentioned, it's easier for them to forgive him, because they love him, but they don't love you, and further us stepmoms are disliked by society at large for simply existing.
You mentioned being lonely as a possible motivator for wanting to have a relationship with them, but I would say that maybe you try to make friends with other people, or volunteer somewhere. You have to accept that you are probably the last person your stepkids want to have a relationship with, or be close to. I know that it may hurt since you say you have no family and seeing your DH with his children may be a reminder for you on what you gave up for to be with him. But all is not lost. There is a poster here who joins online clubs and meets friends in person via camping/hiking, etc, maybe that could work for you. I don't think you should waste any more time on expecting civility from your stepkids, especially because of how the relationship began. Even if they do hurt your DH from time to time, try to stay out of it because his love for them will overshadow whatever bad behavior they throw at him (and possible guilt). Your DH will be fine, his kids still want a relationship with him, and he obviously still wants a relationship with them. You just have to accept that they may not necessarily ever want one with you, not even to say hello. You mentioned that you do things for people you love, and yes one option would be for the stepkids to be cordial but they are adults who choose not to do that. So maybe you can also love your husband enough to step back and allow him to have a relationship with his kids without expecting them to like or acknowledge you. We can't place a forgiveness time frame on the people we hurt. If this makes any sense, it's likely their hurt that won't allow them to say hi; they are still hurt that their father chose to leave them. Best case scenario is for you to have compassion for their situation and just let go of any expectation of friendliness from them. Time might change things.
I would be, too!
"and the most thing they are annoyed about is that he left them to deal with her."
This really isn't an amusing anecdote. You leave your minor children with a truly crazy person because you're not happy? Seriously?
If your husband was unhappy,
If your husband was unhappy, he had more choices than secretly sleeping with other women. Not only he disrespected her and his kids, but he disrespected you by keeping you his dirty secret. And it only ended because she found out. If she didn't find out, he'd possibly still warm two women's beds. He's gross.
I understand your life is lonely. But that's the life you chose. it's not his kids' problem.
you blame their mother for the fact they aren't married? First of all, marriage isn't a requirement for good life. Second of l all, I am shocked you don't see how having a cheater and a liar for a father might contribute to their personal difficulty amd maybe hesitance about commitment.
I don't think you should judge if they are married or not.
Why would try and horn in on
Why would try and horn in on a daughter taking her dad to lunch for FATHER'S Day?? How selfish!! He's not YOUR dad. Crappy of you expecting to horn in on their time and crappy of him to refuse because you aren't invited. Why should you be. If he wants to spend time with his ADULT children he should. If he doesn't he might lose what little relationship he's got with them. You need to come to grips with the fact they don't want anything to do with you. Theyre adults. They don't have to socialize if they don't want to. *fool*
Not trying to argue here but
Not trying to argue here but the dude married the op so that entitles her to be wherever her husband is. So if she's not allowed somewhere then a good husband will refuse to go.
When you marry you become one. and whoever doesn't like that becomes a threat to one's marriage
His kids are adults now so he does not have as strict obligations to them as he may have for underaged dependents.
He could write them off if he wanted to because they don't accept his wife (regardless if she was a mistress, a prostitut3, a drug addict or whatever ... that's what he chose and those kids can either accept it or not). If they accept then they should be at least cordial but if they don't accept their father's lifestyle/spouse of choice then they cement their fate of possibly estranging themselves from him/his now wife.
However it seems he's stuck in the middle trying to keep the peace in his marriage but also placate his kids to keep a relationship with them as well knowing that because of his decisions he may not ever be able to blend the two.
Stuck in the middle = coward.
Stuck in the middle = coward. He should have either stayed with his wife or chosen OP to treat as a full wife. This guy has never been a good husband or partner and i feel like people advocating that OP should back off and let him have the relationship he wants with his daughter are subtly saying that OP's sin as the other woman was worse than his. The one who was actually married.
I don't think anyone would
I don't think anyone would say that hers was worse than his. But preserving what is left of his relationship with his children is really the only way to minimize the damage that OP and her husband both caused to these peoples' lives. They can't go back in time and erase the indescribable pain they caused literal children when they selfishly decided that what they wanted was more important than what the children needed. But now they can help salvage whatever is left of the kids' relationship with their father by respecting the boundaries the kids have set in place. It's truly not that difficult.
I get that. I just don't
I get that. I just don't think the father deserves to have his relationship salvaged, and the kids are probably better off without him. At least now as adults.
Maybe he doesn't, but the
Maybe he doesn't, but the kids apparently want that. And they're the victims in the scenario. Maybe in their view it would only compound their pain to sever ties with their dad completely. They should be able to have the relationship that they want. OP trying to interfere simply because it hurts her feelings is only going to cause them more pain than she and her husband already have.
I don't really think that
I don't really think that being married entitles spouses always be where the other one goes. If I and my DD want to have girl event like get nails done or have meal or what not, it never occur to my DH that he is entitled to accompany us. It's silly. Sometimes I go see my elderly father alone. So what? It's ok to not be attached to the hip.
SD wanted to take her father to Father's Day lunch. SM feels entitled even though she has no relationship with SD. It's goofy. If dad shouldn't ever go anywhere without his wife, then should he completely forsake his kids? Should he not have male friends or go to gym or have any activities alone because she must accompany him? That just sounds so strange
plus its Father's Day. He's SD's father. He's not SM's father and they have no kids together. So why is she entitled to Father's Day celebration?
I meant that when you take
Well to each their own...
However, I meant that I believe, when you take religious vows to marry you become one in many facets of life.
Some things (like gender specific men only events for example) would be inappropriate but since he married her that is his permanent plus one - this especially becomes the case as you get older and rely more heavily on your partner
Yes, I think he should forsake his adult kids if they are not able to respect (I only mean basic respect you'd give to strangers given the circumstances) his current marriage. If his adult kids want to keep a relationship with him they need to respect him and everything that entails (including his choice to marry this woman whether they agree/like it or not) - if they're unable/unwilling then they risk forfeiting the relationship they have with him
This is just my opinion though.
A side note...my dads girlfriend took him for Father's Day...that's his new family now, they don't have kids together, and I'm cool with it because she takes care of him....although admittedly if she were a former affair partner I would have some strong feelings about it.
The kids are entitled to their opinions and feelings but they are not entitled to come between or interfere in his current marriage.
Would you let someone who has no respect for you meet your husband one on one? I don't think I would.
Idk dude marrying her kind of propped her up into a "protected" position whether anyone thinks she deserves to be there or not.
If the man is happy with her ... it kind of is what it is. Although I do think this is a horrible position to put people you care about in and seems like dudes way of dealing with it is just to compartmentalize parts of his life which current wife is not happy about - if he "un-compartmentalized" and blended families then his kids would not be happy.
He's in a lose - lose situation that he created and people close to him suffer as a result.
At the end of the day, this
At the end of the day, this entire mess is on the "D"H. Yes, OP was wrong, but look at all she has sacrificed for this guy who wouldn't even admit to having married her. How many of us have fallen for BS lines? "Oh, the kids are really well-adjusted and low maintenance. SD is going to be a doctor one day!" "Oh, my ex and i coparent well but aren't overly close." How about "We split up because my ex is selfish/psycho." How far are those from "Yes, we are still married on paper but we have been basically separated for years. We haven't had sex in years and only live together for the kids/financial reasons." "If i got a divorce now, my ex would go crazy and all of our lives would be hell!"
This "D"H is a liar, a coward, and i'm guessing a real smooth talker. If the kids have a good relationship with him and not OP, what has he said to them to justify his actions? OP has paid and paid to be with this guy. Not saying what she did was right, but it looks like this guy has his cake and eats it too. Relationship with his kids, separate from relationship with OP. I wonder if he is paying alimony and if that plus any CS he paid (if any) is subsidized by OP. I wonder what their age difference is.
I don't have any advice for OP but i'm not going to pile on, either. I doubt she won a "prize" and if this guy was going to cheat, he would have found someone else if OP hadn't been willing to wait YEARS for this a-hole. We have all been duped to some degree in stephell.
OP thinks her H is a prize.
OP thinks her H is a prize. Plenty of us have dated/married someone who i certainly NOT the prize we initially thought. Look at my psycho exh...
I think a red flag was him
I think a red flag was him trying for 4 years to save his marriage after his wife found out about you. And, yes, you are still being treated as "the other woman." Would he still be married if his wife hadn't called it quits? You chose to be second, and it's a role you are still filling. I think your choice is whether you can learn to accept this or not.
This is a risk people take when they choose to have affairs. My father had an affair with a woman from the time I was 10. My mother left him when I was 19. Yes, I felt resentment, but within a few years I accepted his GF as someone who made him happy. My parents' marriage was not a happy one. It all probably helped that my mother remarried a man who gave her everything she wanted. Perhaps if she had been "all suffering," we would not have been so forgiving or accepting of our father's GF. I don't know. Still, I can't imagine ever having wanted either one of my parents to be alone. . . or ever feeling like I had any say over who they would be involved with.
You are not going to change the skids' feelings. Not sure you can change his long-standing habit of living two separate lives. Sorry.
I'll point out that your
I'll point out that your husband is a known liar. He lied to his wife and children for YEARS. So you can't really take anything he says as 100% truthful regarding how miserable his marriage was, how disturbed his ex wife is, blah blah blah. If it was truly that bad, he would have left instead of waiting to be caught and forced to leave. Men typically don't stay "for the children"; that's just an excuse they give their mistresses.
I'm sure my XH's affair partner thought I was the worst wife ever because he also was a liar. But what she didn't know is that we were truly happy together and all the "sweet nothings" he told her, he was also telling to me on a daily basis. I was showered with affection and gifts regularly, and generally believed that I was adored by him. He never would have left if I hadn't caught them and sent him packing. She also thought she won some wonderful prize, but 5 years later they're not together and she wasted her childbearing years on a liar, who stopped lying to me and started lying to her, and a cheater who stopped cheating on me and started cheating on her. This is a tale as old as time and it's extremely unlikely that you're the exception to the rule and that your husband has not lied or exaggerated the truth about his marriage to you.
And for those saying the kids should be more mad at their dad than OP, well yeah. But that's not how human nature works. They LOVE their dad, it's natural to find it easier to forgive the person you love. The affair partner means nothing to them, why should they forgive her? She's a much easier target for their anger. That doesn't make them bad people, they are simply humans.
If your marriage is really that happy and fulfilling, then you need to let this go. In my opinion, the step kids are really being as gracious as they can be expected by just avoiding you instead of being outright hostile. Let them enjoy the relationship they have with their dad, separate from you, and leave it at that.
Someone above said you don't deserve that, and I disagree because obviously my experience informs my opinion. But I do agree that this is nothing more than a natural consequence of the decisions you and your husband made years ago. You can't go back and change what you did, so you have to just accept the results of it.
If you're lonely, the step kids are never realistically going to be the family that you want to have. The best thing for you to do is to use the time your husband spends on them to build a community of your own. Join clubs, go to church, volunteer, whatever. You can make your own family with some effort and it will be much less complicated than trying to forge a bond with people who clearly have no desire to.
It is what it is
Aka what's done is done. The fact of the matter is that we all know whether or not cheating is involved, the BM and skids often behave this way toward SM and biodad.
You should accept the situation for what it is and actually consider the skid's shunning as a blessing in disguise.
^so true!
^so true!
I met that Disneyland dad I used to deal with after he was fully divorced for two years but STILL got the mistress treatment (ex dude dropping everything to run to rescue these people from their manufactured crises/24 7 B. Beck n Call service), the side-eye, the disrespect, disregard, etc from his failed former family
Sometimes in step-hell you cannot win no matter what