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Autism spectrum and parenting time?

DrowningAnchor11's picture

So it's been a while since I've posted. I've pretty much just been lurking since my last post. In my last post, SO took BM to court for contempt since she was keeping SD7 from coming over for his parenting time. Court was uneventful. BM got a slap on the wrist and threatened with "possible" jail time if she were to do it again. After that visitations have gone as normal.

The most recent updates have happened over the course of the last month. BM changed SD's school without notifying SO. We found out she was changing schools from SD a couple days before school started. Then SO received a letter certified mail that was a copy of some test results from a neuropsychologist. BM took SD for some testing, and as usual, told SO nothing about it. The results stated SD has sensory processing issues and signs of Asperger's syndrome. The main diagnosis was a language disorder. Right after we received the letter, SO texted BM to let her know it was no longer acceptable for her to keep these things from him. He reminded her that she's supposed to get permission for these decisions and if she kept keeping him out of the loop, he would have to take her back to court for violating the court order. She responded by keeping SD from coming over for her visitation over the holiday weekend. SO filed contempt, and BM filed to have his parenting time reduced. She is claiming that the visitation during the week is too hard on SD.

Today, BM texted SO (she got a notification of the contempt charges SO filed) with a long list of medical issues that he needed updated on. This included her stating that SD is on the autism spectrum and that she'll be getting more testing done to see where on the spectrum she fits.

I'd like to know more about the testing process for autism. I'd also like to know more about late diagnosis. I know a little about ASD from research I had done years ago. I'm nowhere near an expert, but my cousin is autistic and I did the research to learn more about it for a research paper. From what I understood, most children are diagnosed around 18mo - 2 years old.... so I'm curious how it went 7 years before coming up at all. Also, does any body have experience with this affecting parenting time? SO and I are concerned that BM is going to take advantage of this in order to decrease his parenting time and I'm not sure whether or not the judge is going to agree. With everything else going on, I really don't want SO to lose time with SD. BM is already trying to alienate SD. The judge decreasing time for SO is not going to help. Any advice is really appreciated..

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Learning to Stepparent's picture

I am going through something similar with SD6 though DH has primary custody so she lives with us full time. I met her when she was a few months past her third birthday and almost instantly knew there was something off. It has taken years of pushing and prodding and demanding that various providers pay attention and listen to us because, like Timmar, we kept being told everything was fine, it was all in our heads, my expectations were too high.

Part of the problem with girls is that girls are diagnosed much less frequently than boys. I think it is actually in the neighborhood of boys being diagnosed 3 to 4 times more frequently than girls. Autism spectrum disorders were thought to be much rarer in girls but now new research is suggesting it isn't rarer in girls it just presents differently and unfortunately, a lot of providers, teachers, pediatricians, etc. are trained to recognize the classic "Rainman" signs of autism but not the subtler signs that girls often show.

Hell, I told the pediatrician that I was concerned about SD being on the spectrum and told him about all the sensory issues, meltdowns, developmental delays, and other signs I was seeing so he looked at SD who was sitting on the exam table and said "turn around and lay down on the table" and she did so he looked at me and said "see, she doesn't have autism, she can follow directions." Ummm....you have no idea what you're talking about.

The problem with some of the more high functioning kids is getting providers to listen to you and take you seriously rather than blowing you off. It has taken 3 years of me pushign DH, the pediatrician, the teachers, the therapists, everyone to sit up and pay attention to get us to this point. We had an ADOS test last year that said she didn't have autism but that she showed enough disability to qualify for 9 months of speech and occupational therapy and that she has sensory processing problems. A psychiatrist diagnosed her with ADHD, anxiety, PDD-NOS, and a language disorder early last year but the therapists disagree and we can't get any help for the behavioral issues because everyone just shrugs and says "oh it's behavioral." We finally got an appointment for a neuropsych evaluation in two weeks so we should finally get some answers then.

So to answer your question no, most kids are not diagnosed at 18 months to 2 years. The most severe are but there are a bunch of kids that fall somewhere on the spectrum that aren't diagnosed for years or ever. I was talking to one of my high school teachers the other day and she said it was super frustrating to her to see kids in high school age with pretty obvious signs of being on the spectrum (obvious to her anyway) and when she checks the file to see what the diagnoses are and what therapies they have had and such there won't be anything in there because no one noticed it or didn't think the kid needed help or whatever.

It is far from a perfect system.

ChiefGrownup's picture

My ss is 15 and "profoundly" autistic. I use the quote marks because until I heard the specialist say it with my own ears, I would have described him as having a "touch" of autism. So a great deal is in the eye of the beholder.

It should NOT affect parenting time. My dh has 50/50 and actually has far more face time with the kids than does BM. And it's a good thing, too, because he is the far better parent, especially for the autistic child.

As outtahere said, our bm also likes to see SS as a baby. It is his father who has provided enriching experiences for him and encouraged growth. When I came along, I helped with that, too. SS15 is thriving on our watch, vegetating on hers.

Do they tend to like routine? Sure. But routine can easily be Wednesday at Dad's, weekend at Dad''s, back to Mom's on Monday, etc. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, your dh can argue skid will freak out MORE if her routine changes to NOT going to dad's house when she expects to.

Outtahere wrote some especially good stuff that bears repeating:

"Your BM sounds like one of those who wants to keep her autistic daughter very dependent on her and also hurt her ex at the same time. I think that if you are going to court over this then you need to form a case to show how the continued contact between her and her father is helpful and necessary to her development. Trawl the internet for information. Make sure you have an attorney who understands something about AS too. Good luck."

ChiefGrownup's picture

I would also like to say that I think it's a very bad sign that this bm of yours proceeded with testing this girl for lots of very significant things without involving the dad at all.

If you go to court, I would have my attorney argue that the bm is absolutely not co-parenting because testing for autism is a great big deal that both parents should be aware is happening. Why would the bm try to cut the dad out on such a thing? She is demonstrating she cares more about "winning" over the dad than the care and supervision her child receives.

If the school did the testing Dad needs to raise hell with the school for not separately notifying him that they had concerns and intended to test. He needs to show the judge and the school that he intends to be a proactive parent and will not be shut out by school administrators.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

This is how she is with everything. BM pretty much wishes she ended up with a deadbeat baby daddy. She wants SO out of the picture so that her wife can take his place. If she had told us about the testing that would be against her ultimate goal of keeping is out of the picture. We're meant to be nothing more than babysitters in her mind. And she wants to tell him when he can be involved.

Maxwell09's picture

Firstly I know nothing about Autism and my comment might be biased because of where I live, I say I think BM has a good chance of reducing his parenting time. Most judged in my parts know little to nothing about autism and how to deal with a child on the spectrum. To me, it seems like BM is going to present the case that her daughter needs special care proven by all these tests and BM is the one who's already been doing it for her so she should be in charge. She will probably also slip in there something about how the girl acts out or is uncontrollable before/after her visits with your DH and it's a disruption to the girl. What are the chances of your DH getting a judge who knows anything about Autism? If her knows nothing, like me, then he will probably believe whatever BM tells him to be true and get rid of the mid-week visits.

If I were your DH I would try to get a medical professional to read the diagnosis and testify that his visits aren't disruptive to her behavior. Maybe even have a GAL get involved to try to prove BM is not co-parenting and keeping him away from SD's medical and school information.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

This is exactly what we thInk is happening. To be honest I'm not sure how much the judges here know about autism. BM has kept SO out of the picture and she will be able to claim that he hasn't been involved with the proces but it's because he didn't even know. I'm concerned the judge will decrease his time because he doesn't know enough and will take BMs word for it.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

Thank you for responses. I'm glad to have the age thing clarified. I did do some more research and learned that half of ASD cases are diagnosed after age 5. And I understand it better that more extreme cases can be diagnosed earlier. I'm going to attempt to kind of list out the things I've noticed here, but really I'd like more of an idea of what to look for. I have read up on symptoms but I'm having trouble really translating them to real life... idk if that makes sense.

First, I have noticed sensory issues in SD for a few years. She's reallly particular when it comes to textures, especially of clothes. In the past it's caused some meltdowns. I had mentioned it before but SO kind of wrote it off. He's also kinda weird about textures and figured she was just like him. I tried explaining there's a difference in not preferring it and having a meltdown. But he had me convinced she would just outgrow it and learn to cope. And she has learned to cope with it better. We don't have hardly any meltdowns any more, but I do noitice she will get frustrated with her socks and shoes if theyvdon't feel just right and a lot of her clothes don't get worn because of the textures. BM also bought her a chewing necklace that makes its way over her every once in a while. She uses it for focusing in school but also said it's for making her feel better. I'm not so sure what that means.

SO and I talked more in depth about her language disorder last night and how SD did learning to talk. Apparently his mom had brought up concerns about SD not to talking when she was younger. I came in the picture at 18mo but I was not actively involved with her. I basically saw her for lunch and we'd take her to the park on the weekends. She was also very shy so I don't have a good picture on her language development. When MIL brought it up, BM and SO just assumed that she wasn't talking because she was using sign language. BM taught her sign language but didn't speak along with it, she only signed. Looking back SO thinks he should have been more worried and that the language disorder could have been discovered sooner.

She does seem to struggle a little socially, but mostly it seems to me that she's more socially immature. She struggles more to play with other kids in group but does better with just one on one. But again I don't feel like I know what I'm looking for. What's normal? What's normal for a kid that is an only child? I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to look for. I feel kind of overwhelmed by this since I have no idea what is off and what is normal, just quirky. SO and I don't have any other kids. We don't have nieces and nephews. Because SD is a result of a teen pregnancy we have very few friends with kids. BM keeps SO from being involved at school. So really the only time we are around other kids is when we take SD to church (which has gotten us more friends with kids lately) or when we are around SO's youngest cousins (which have their own issues). She is high functioning. To the point that I can't tell what we should be concerned about and what is just a quirk. I mean I'm glad that she is high functioning, I just feel that at least if the symptoms were more glaring, we would at least know what we needed to do to help.

SO did meet with the school recently but none of this came up in the meeting. It's very early in the year still and she's in a new school. Also i get the impression we're still early in the process so the school doesn't have anything on file yet. He also knows she is undergoing more testing so hopefully he will get involved with that.

ChiefGrownup's picture

She can't prevent him from being involved in school. He needs to get very involved in school because this bm sounds like she is out to cut him out of his daughter's life inch by inch.

If she has a true diagnosis, your family can get some strategies for helping her learn to cope, to socialize, and to learn.

My ss was 11 when we got married, so well into his school career. No kids in our neighborhood. When I went to his IEP meeting the first time, I asked the teacher if there were other kids he could recommend who might enjoy a social invitation from ss. He was awesome and supplied the names and numbers of 3 other boys parents.

That's how I started getting kids into our lives and ss's life. We started having birthday parties, play dates, etc.

We also signed up for social skills classes at a local autism center. We made a whole new roster of friends for him there. And we got to meet some AWESOME parents of autistic kids from whom we learned tons.

You can do it. You're just getting started. You'll both get the hang of it as you go along.

Do not be intimidated by BM or by the school. Square your shoulders and walk into that school, make it your own. The teachers and administrators will get to know you first hand, no matter what malarkey the bm pulls.

Learning to Stepparent's picture

With regards to the necklace making her feel better and helping her focus I am guessing that means she either gets anxious or worked up and it helps her calm down. Either that or she has oral sensory issues. Some kids on the spectrum are very "mouthy" as in they still put inappropriate things in their mouths a lot more than other kids their age. For example, SD6 is still quite oral. She will often be putting her hair in her mouth, her fingers, barrets, chewing on her clothes, chewing on pillows, running her mouth on handrails, I swear I have seen her licking windows before. No amount of reminding her or nagging her would keep things out of her mouth, it's a compulsion or tic if you will. We got her chew necklaces like you describe to give her as an appropriate item she could put in her mouth and chew. One of the things I always noticed about SD was she fidgets constantly and after giving her the necklace the fidgeting has really calmed down a lot. I think it gave her an appropriate outlet for her fidgeting or wiggles or whatever you want to call it. It helped her quit putting potentially harmful things in her mouth too.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

I think you might be on to something about her being anxious. We actually haven't had issues with her putting anything in her mouth here. This is the only thing she chews on. I think it's more dealing with anxiety issues than being a oral issue.

thinkthrice's picture

She's probably anxious due to the loyalty conflict that BM is creating. You can bet your boots that the BM is trashing you and dad 24/7 and demanding that SD "join her side"

I would also check out Dr. Childress on youtube as regards PAS.

Your BM sounds exactly like the Girhippo. Scorched earth policy. Children be damned as long as the enmeshment continues and when BM hates biodad more than she loves her children.

Good luck because judges are overwhelmingly pro BM no matter how bat shit cray cray she is.

BethAnne's picture

If I were your husband i would say to BM that I was willing to help as much as possible but that I needed my access rights updated on paper and make her sign an updated parenting plan which includes him getting set visitation and access to all medical and educational records as well as joint legal custody. Then get that signed off by a judge then go ahead and get the girl the help she needs.

thinkthrice's picture

50 bucks that she refuses to sign anything. If she's like most psycho, immature PASinating BMs that get discussed on this site, she will not be satisfied until SD completely PASes out. These women claim to want "help" but really, they want two things:

1. Boatloads of CS

2. A permanent pity party; throwing out the "single mom" card to anyone within a 50 mile radius who will listen to the fake sob story.

They'll push away biodad, then crow about abandonment and deadbeat dad.

Maxwell09's picture

I agree. From BM's actions, she is not going to sign any kind of an agreement that makes her DH anymore involved. Her behind-the-back testing and keeping school information to herself is proof, to me at least, that she is nudging him out of the way and setting all this up to make it look like that he is both uninvolved and incapable of providing her needs. His only bet is to take her to court for contempt and to try to get some of authority rights back even if it's just to add fine detailed instructions of inclusion into the custody order.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

He is taking her to court for contempt for these things. He has a court date set already. We think that she got served and that's why she sent the text. The text was a list of a bunch of medical related issues, including changing doctors. She's just trying to cover for herself. He's spent months trying to find out who SDs therapist is and she won't tell. Now that she might get in trouble she sent a massive list so it looks like she's working with us ...

thinkthrice's picture

I'm afraid, extremely typical. The Girhippo loves to appear especially in front of court officials and school administrators, as the "completely cooperative-coparenting, trying to desparately maintain biodad's relationship with the children-despite that he scorned me" TM theatrics.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. The Girhippo IS a CPS worker by trade (how conVENient) and needs to put up the fascade of being "all american, girl next door, pure as the wind driven snow, pillar of the community, soccermom and perma victim who rose from the ashes of divorce like a phoenix" :sick:

Her little decade long ruse came to an end when she "forgot to mention" that OSS, at the time, just turned 18, decided to move out (CS goes to 21 here). I caught this on my Fauxbook account. Boy was her face RED! In fact, she COULD have fought the emancipation because OSS was not self supporting. In fact he had just barely graduated HS with a D- average (she never allows any of her 3 children to perservere or study because they are perma victims of divorce same as she). Add the fact that she told OSS that he didnt have to do well in school as he was going to be a rock star. OSS is still underemployed in pt retail jobs, has moved back in with the Girhippo, is a pot fiend and was denied learning valuable construction trade skills out of sheer spite on her part.

She's now stuffing YSS stb 14 head with rock star pipe dreams as well. Chef (biodad) dropped the rope a long time ago; the skids are all officially PASed out P.O.S. We could never have afforded the legal fees to continually fight the Girhippo and her clan. Here in NYS, a dad is automatically the bad guy in court.

I hear so many stories of dad endlessly fighting in court and running up an astronomical legal tab only to have the inherently biased against dads "family" court rule against him. If, after tens of thousands of dollars, by some miracle he does gain custody, he either starts to disney parent to keep children from running back to the BMs where there are no rules OR if he DARES to parent, the children fall under the influence of the BM on her time, file false abuse charges against dad and, just like that, are back with the BM.

The system is designed to keep lawyers rich, dads financially and emotionally devastated, children alienated from dad, and big money CS flowing into gov't coffers.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

Yes the system has been really discouraging for us as well. Taking her for contempt hasn't helped at all. And we can't afford a lawyer so he hasn't used one since the one he used in the divorce. We're trying to come up with the money now since she filed to reduce parenting time but I don't think we'll get it in time for this visit. But we know she will take us back to reduce it again, if she doesn't take him to try and move SD across the country before then

thinkthrice's picture

REGISTERED mail with signature required. Send them copies of any CO showing joint legal (not that its worth the paper its written on)

If she's anything like the Girhippo, she'll try to poison the well amongst the school educators and administrators. Our beloved Girhippo literally told school to stop sending us school information; report cards, meetings, etc.

Its the same school district that the Girhippo herself went to so all the administrators are her old school chums and contemporaries who she has a lot of influence over.

DrowningAnchor11's picture

They didn't do the testing through the school and SD just switched schools this year so they don't really have anything on file I don't think. From what I understand, we are very early in the process. We don't know where she fits on the spectrum and only have the results from the initial testing. She's going through more in depth now but we don't have results yet. I will with SD's old school though.,.cuz she was seeing the counselor there. I say me meaning I will go with SO if he wants to do this. Her old principal was my principal l and my mom worked for him so he knows at least me a little better. We just ran into him with SD actually and talked for a bit. I think he'd be willing to help out if they still have a file...idk how that works.