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arkdrummer's picture

Hello...saw that this was a good place to vent with little judging and some good advice.  So here we go.

Married to 2nd wife, together 11 years and married 8 years.  Two sons of mine, 25 and 17, and she has no kids.  Oldest son lives with partner and I don't hear much from him; our relationship is cordial but not very close outside of me giving him car advice and inviting him to holiday dinners and him politely declining.  Youngest son 17, has been living with us for 2 years as his mom moved to Wisconsin.

Some positives about my son:  doesn't use drugs, doesn't back talk or even eye roll.  Willing to do any chore you ask him to, again with no attitude.  Does all his own laundry, room is always clean.  Goes to school every day on his own (rides the bus) because perfect attendance enables him to skip semester exams.  Has friends that are all good kids, the kind who might be considered "nerdy" back in my day.  Currently dating the daughter of a teacher at his school; she comes over occasionally and is respectful to us and is into theater, anime, etc.  Relatives and friends comment a lot about how my son seems older than he is, his manners and politeness.  I don't take credit for all this as his mom had majority custody of him and I got him every other weekend.  VERY musically inclined, exceptional talent for music production/composition and has developed good hip-hop dancing skills through years of dance class.

Some negatives about him:  will go through periods of laziness, where he has to be reminded to do his chores.  Takes super long showers sometimes.  Has made little effort to find a job to pay for his insurance so he can start driving and he does have a license.  Isn't as thoughtful as he should be; I have to remind him to be thoughtful of his mom sometimes; has been given money to buy gifts for others but has cheaped out and kept the rest for himself.  Absent-mindedness. Prefers to stick to things he's good at instead of trying to challenge himself.  Will go out with friends but prefers to have company over at our house instead of staying over somewhere else.  We have had to curb the friends coming over because it was too often; it has reduced significantly but I'll still let him have guests sometime usually when my wife is working overnight.

My wife is a beautiful person.  But for some reason, she doesn't seem to care much for either of my sons.  I get that it's hard for some people with kids that aren't theirs and I have accepted it.  She's never had to cook for them, has done little as far as taking them to school, cleaning up after them, etc.  My ex and I have an understanding and we are friendly and civil to each other.  My ex likes my wife; my wife is friendly to her but often criticizes and nitpicks to me to the point where it's annoying.  

With that, we come to the issue.  My wife constantly nitpicks, criticizes, nags and moans to me about my son.  Some of it is justified, like if he hasn't taken out the trash or he's showering too long.  As with most teens, they usually have to be told a couple times or more to get it drilled into their heads.  Then other times she's just plain mean.  "You need to tell him his hair looks stupid".  "We told him to get his gf a Xmas present early, now it's going to get here late so I don't even want her in this house or at the family dinner so you better not let him bring her" are some of the things she's said lately.  It's getting harder to let this stuff roll off my back.

We are now in a huge fight and we've both said things about calling it quits.  The reason?  She's complaining of not getting enough alone time with me, so she wants him out of the house completely for all of New Year's Eve.  But she was just griping a few weeks ago about how he needs to come out of his room and socialize with us more.  I don't get her thinking, but I ask him if he's got anything going on with his friends for New Year's, feeling things out to set up him going somewhere that night.  This was Monday.  The next day, she's nagging me about whether he'll be gone or not then takes it on herself to ask him to make plans for Saturday because she has plans for us that night.  Ok, I'm fine with that.  He's a little surprised, but says he'll see about finding somewhere to go.  Wednesday, he's sick and has a fever.  So it looks like plans are in jeopardy.  She's still nagging on whether he's going to go or not.  Today he's feeling better, but I don't know if he will be staying anywhere Saturday or even if it's a good idea to send him to someone's house.

We have a blowout; she's accusing me of not wanting to spend any alone time with her.  I point out that we're basically alone all the time as he keeps to himself often.  No, no, no...that doesn't count.  She means a date and basically wants to be able to walk around naked and bang on the couch at will.  Our sex life is good, but yes we keep things in the bedroom but our room is on the other side of a decently large house from his room.  Idk, I could see her feeling this way about a young kid that is constantly up your butt, but a 17 year old who is busy in his own room most of the time?  Again, it just comes across to me as her being vindictive, petty, and just seeing what she can make me do when it comes to my son.  She is always nice to him and they carry on good conversations, but he has no idea she's constantly irritated by most things he does.  I'm tired of being the lightning rod for her negativity towards him and I've gotten so unhappy, leaving has crossed my mind many times.  Am I wrong?  Be honest with me please.

 

 

 

 

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JRI's picture

Our 5 are now in their 50s and 60s but I vividly recall their teen years when all 5 lived here.  Your son sounds exactly like our 5 in the teen years, perhaps a little better.

I also vividly recall how my DH whined about my son's failings and also OSS's altho he seemed blind to YSS.  That didn't keep him from being a great father and SF.  I also admit I had many negative thoughts about his daughter and younger son.

I don't have much advice.  All the players in your drama seem to be acting normally for a step situation: DS doing his teen thing, SM whining to you and you feeling defensive.

I'll repeat what my wise counselor told me: emphasize alone time with my DH, do things away from the kids (date nights), get on the same page with him.  Your son is 17, what are the plans once he finishes school?  Have you discussed them with her so she can get a feeling of "only x more months to go"?  Your wife might be feeling it will never end and let's face it, she doesn't have that parental bond like you do.

As long as she is polite and civil to him, that's enough.  Your better off with her whining to you than taking it out on him.

Winterglow's picture

All of this is par for the course for each of you, given your different situations, so finding middle ground shouldn't be impossible. How often does your son see his mother? When was the last time he saw her? Do you have any family nearby (i.e. within travelling distance)? Can you send your son to stay with them for a weekend? Can you send him to spend extra time with his mother (SOON!)? Is he reasonable and responsible enough to be left alone for a weekend without doing something stupid (like having a party)? Heck, send him off to his brother's occasionally!

Whatever the answers are, if you haven't already done so, start taking your wife out on date nights regularly. Maybe end them in a hotel room after last minute call (so he hasn't the time to do something stupid lol) to your son to not expect you home? Maybe take your wife away for a weekend (or more if you can arrange it)? Your wife craves time alone with you - don't let her down.

arkdrummer's picture

Thanks for the input.  The thing is, I was working on getting him gone for the day she wanted.  I asked him to see if his friends had anything planned and he should see about hanging out with them.  This was on Monday.  Tuesday she was on my back about it and I had told her what I asked him, but it apparently wasn't good enough so she asked him herself to make plans to be gone that day.  Ok, that was fine with me.  Then I get the whole "why don't you want to spend alone time with me??" rant.  This happens a lot even if we've just spent a couple days together.  It's exhausting.

CastleJJ's picture

You said it yourself - your wife accuses you of not wanting to spend alone time with her. Your argument is that you are alone all the time because your son is in his room. That doesn't count. All parents (stepparents included) need a break from the family unit. When those breaks aren't available or are few and far between, tension builds and nitpicking is a way to cope - "oh trash hasn't been taken out," "why is he showering so long?," etc." 

I agree with the posters above. You and your wife need to find some focus on your marriage and DATE. My husband and I tried to follow the 2-2-2 rule before our 10 month old was born. Every 2 weeks, we would go on a date, every two months, we would go away overnight, and every two years, we would go on a vacation for a long weekend up to a week. This helped keep the marriage alive. 

Your wife doesn't have any children of her own and maybe dealing with someone else's kids wasn't something she ever saw herself doing. It sounds like she stayed disengaged but remained civil toward your kids. Now that your kids are grown, I think she is looking for her relationship back and sitting around the house with your teen upstairs just isn't cutting it. 

la_dulce_vida's picture

I LOVE living with my partner - just us!! No kids. Our kid are all grown and 2.5 hours or more away from us. We aren't up each other's butts, but we're in the house and "near" to each other all the time because I work from home and he's retired.

I am sure the OP's wife would LOVE this arrangement. I highly recommend it. I pretty much have him all to myself 90% of the time. The other 10% I'm out of town for work or he's taking care of his mom. And we have time to miss each other.

2Tired4Drama's picture

You are new here so I'll first comment that you must understand this is a site for STEPPARENTS to vent, which is entirely different than a bio parent (you) wanting to vent about your wife (stepmother.) 

It's akin to being a die-hard XYZ sports fan who goes on their rival team's site and wants to convince them their team sucks.  Just keep that in mind.

You've been given excellent advice and some valuable perspective from the folks who have posted above, despite the fact they are the "rival team."

FWIW, I am a childfree SM and it is a unique position to be in. I've never experienced the things parents have, just like parents eventually don't know/remember what it's like to NOT have children. You don't mention whether your wife ever wanted children and couldn't have them, or just didn't want to be a parent. That can have an impact, too. 

In any case, your wife is in a position where she is supposed to be all-in but ONLY when it comes to being a cheerleader for your son. For example, you yourself say he hasn't made much effort to find a job but perhaps his hair/grooming is an issue and your wife is just telling you like it is. Like it or not, grooming choices ARE important to an employer.  I know that as a childfree person, I see my SO's adult kid in a completely different light than he does. In fact, I think he is often deluded to some pretty glaring faults she has. Which makes it hard if he criticizes something minor about me, yet SD gets a free pass for her mistakes or faults because, well, she is the princess daughter who can do no wrong. 

You have a bit of that yourself. You spend a lot of time describing your son (pros and cons) but very little describing your wife. What I find most concerning is your comment, "...it just comes across to me as her being vindictive, petty, and just seeing what she can make me do when it comes to my son."  Do you really think your wife doesn't sense this from you?  

Your son can have faults, be human ... but your wife can't?  Despite her unhappiness with having your son living with you, she has still remained cordial to him. She isn't screaming at him, threatening him, fighting with him constantly. What more do you want from her?

As her husband, the person she is supposed to feel safest with, she expresses some of her (legitimate) thoughts to you, and you are ready to leave her?  So do it. 

She is 39.  It is not too late for her to find a man, perhaps younger, who also does not want children. 

 

arkdrummer's picture

He actually just cut his hair a lot shorter and neater than it's been.  He got tired of the upkeep on it.  I knew that would happen eventually. 

After the first few years of being together, we discussed seriously having a kid.  I was willing to have one with her, but after the discussion, she decided she didn't want to deal with the big life changes it would bring, the changes to our relationship and our responsibilities, she didn't want to be a new mom in her 30's, etc.  So it didn't happen.

As far as the "vindictive, petty" description...that actually isn't her normal temperament.  That's what bothers me.  I get all this nastiness but then she acts like everything's perfect to him.  I've told her plenty of times; if he's doing something that bothers you or there's a chore you need him to do, just tell him.  On the few occasions she has, he's never given her any grief about it and he's complied.  Why complain to me and make me the middle man when you can go right to him and the problem's taken care of?

This isn't the first fight we've had over things like this.  It's not like I heard this first complaint and suddenly I'm ready to leave.  This is one of a few big issues we're having, but I've told her that if she wants to co-parent, fine, but co-parenting is not her griping at me about things that bother her when she can just go right to him and have a conversation about it.  Now if he back-talked her and disrespected her, I'd definitely step in and correct that but he doesn't and he wouldn't.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

You say "I've told her plenty of times; if he's doing something that bothers you or there's a chore you need him to do, just tell him.  On the few occasions she has, he's never given her any grief about it and he's complied.  Why complain to me and make me the middle man when you can go right to him and the problem's taken care of?"

Most family therapists would not recommend your wife be the one to correct your son. They would recommend she speak to you about it first. I've heard the phrase "no correction without connection" used, meaning that the stepparent does not have enough connection with the child to be the primary disciplinarian. You are not the middle man, you are his parent. She isn't.

arkdrummer's picture

Thanks for the advice everyone.  I understand that she wants dates, romance, etc.  We do get out and shop, eat, etc.  We actually just did that a couple weeks ago doing some Christmas shopping then hit her favorite antiques store.  Antique stores aren't exactly my thing, but I always go with her because she loves it and I feign interest for her.

I will add here that I love my wife greatly, still do after all these years.  But this is also the most taxing relationship I've ever been in.  She requires LOTS of attention.  I find myself overwhelmed and smothered.  We work at the same place.  For the first few years, we worked the same shift, took all breaks together, same days off, etc.  We didn't even shower separately for like 6 months and I finally had to tell her that I needed some personal space, which caused some conflict for a while.  Her idea of heaven is exactly that, spending every minute of every day together.  I just can't handle that; I'm a guy that needs space, I need time to pursue my own hobbies and interests and some quiet time regularly.

Our work schedules have changed; I've changed departments, received a promotion and I'm now on a 5 day a week schedule, sometimes working a few hours extra on days that I'm needed.  She has stayed with the same department, same team, etc.  I constantly hear complaints that we don't spend enough time together, but here's the thing.  All of our free time IS spent together.  To me, it seems like we're not doing anything different than we did when she thought the relationship was perfect; just our work schedules are different now.  I don't hang out with friends, I don't do the things I like to do when we're both off work.  I wait until she's working to drum practice, do some gaming, etc.  I don't even go to the gym anymore as that would cut further into our together time.  And me not going to the gym does bother her some I think because she's made remarks that she thinks it would help my self-esteem, but how can I balance all this out?  Work, gym, drums, time with son, and then give her all the attention she requires?  There's no room for it all with the amount of attention she needs.  When she's working, my phone is blowing up.  It's nothing for us to exchange over a hundred texts the nights she works.  If I'm not responding back within a few minutes, I get the third degree.  It drives her crazy that I might be doing something I enjoy without her.

So yes, she IS craving my attention, but my gosh, that's all I have time for.  I can't be my own person, I can't have any room for anything or anyone else in my life.  I could never be the guy who has a guy's night out, or have a goofy band to play music with.  And it feels like I'm the one who is supposed to make all the effort.  I feel like I'm always the one that's not trying hard enough, the one that needs to make changes and adapt, the one that is being that bad spouse.  I thought as the years passed, the insecurities and need for constant attention would improve, but it's the same.  I have my faults, my son has his faults, I get that.  But it's like WE'RE the ones that have to do all the changing and adapting and she gets to be who she's always been.

Winterglow's picture

If ever there was a couple that needed counselling, it's you and your wife. Not that there is anything wrong with either of youir perspectives on life, you are just basically very different and have very different needs. This is why I'm suggesting counselling - a third (professional) party might be better equipped to put all of this into perspective and be able to bring both of you towards a compromise. You can't go on living like this, you can try but it won't work forever ...

arkdrummer's picture

Thank you.  I love her dearly and if I'm not going to be with her, I don't want to be with anyone else.  I know I'm not a perfect husband but I also know it can't be ALL me on the problems here.  I would like to see a counselor if that's what could save us and I hope she's open to it too.

Harry's picture

Wants Date Night once a week,  Going out to dinner, like TGIFridays,  not expensive.( we could not afford expensive every week, small restaurants some where) Having a drink. Dinner, Adult time, , doing something else after.  Week end getaways every few months .  Driving somewhere for a event , show,  Just getting alone time with out your son.  
I always felt ,, You had alone time with your ex. Before the kids, you could of just got into the car and went to McDonals ,  With me it ment we had to get a babysitter, what cost more then MickeyD.  List of phone numbers, rules. 
give her some slack,  It's hard having your son invade her life.  She did not realize what SP really was

Shieldmaiden's picture

Alone time to a man: he wakes up and rolls over onto sleeping wife, mumbles "you smell like ass, but its kinda hot" and wants to get it on. Its 5 am and wife is exhausted from taking care of the kids but too exhausted to argue with husband. 

Alone time to a woman: She dresses up and husband takes her out to a nice restaurant (not Red Robin) and they have great conversation while enjoying the fact that they don't have to smell his teenage son's gym socks or see that he left a mess in the kitchen.

See? Alone time can mean different things to different people. What your wife finds exhausting about your son might be easily fixed by showing her a little affection and reverence. Chances are she does a lot for you when you aren't noticing it. 

If you do this for month and she still nitpicks your son, there may be a problem that requires therapy or separation. But isn't she worth giving a chance? 

arkdrummer's picture

Yeah I could see that if I didn't spend every waking moment with her when I'm not at work.  I think people should have some space and a chance to miss and appreciate each other, but that's hard when you don't get that space.  When she's working, I'm getting texts all night, sometimes in the hundreds.  When I'm working, it's constant questioning when I'm going to be home.  Our work schedules are different so we don't have the time together that we used to, but that could be fixed if she switched shifts.  But of course she refuses to do so and it's on me to either give up my position or put even more effort into making time for her.  The problem is I don't have any time left.  It's work and her.  That's all I do.

la_dulce_vida's picture

Ya know what's annoying? Living with other people you're not related to. You know what's only a little less annoying? Living with people you ARE related to.

I don't want to live with my kids (32, 29 and 26). And as much as I loved my XH2's 4 sons, I sure as hell was miserable living with them. They were (late teen and early 20s) nice and musically talented, but they were also 4 lazy males who ate us out of house and home, had trouble doing well in school and keeping jobs, came and went at all hours disturbing our sleep, and their presence interfered with OUR relationship. They were not my kids. I married my 2nd husband for him ALONE.

Stop treating your wife like someone who is "never satisfied" or someone you can't please. You CAN please her. Make her a priority. Send the kid off with friends or to his mom's or brother's place. Get the wife a hotel room.

Understand that even if she likes your son and he's a good guy, it's wearing on her nerves and she doesn't have the benefit of a biological bond with him. He is essentially like a perptual guest and I'm sure you're blinded to the many other annoyances of living with him and if you've even bothered to ask her what the problem is, you likely disregard her complaints as hysterical or unreasonable.

Make sure that kid launches - and lean on his ass to get a job. It's NOT OKAY for him to be a lazy bum who has to be hounded to do his chores "sometimes."

You had a child, so it's your job to be a good father. You chose to marry again, so it's also your job to be a good husband. You signed on for this. Just remember that your #1 responsbility is to get that son of yours raised and independent. Your #1 priority is a successful marriage and a happy wife. Only your son's needs for food/shelter/education/medical care come first as duties. His wants fall in last place to the needs and wants of your wife and marriage.

You can do it. You can succeed. Your son's job is to fly, be free and start his own life. A wife can love you and stand by your side for life. Don't screw it up.

 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

As a bioparent, I can tell you that living with your own bio-kids is so much less stressful than living with someone else's. Even if yoir bio-kid has behavior problems and the "someone else's" is a perfect angel. Until you've lived it, you can't possibly understand. I didn't.

Let me try to enlighten you. My daughter is a teen and is going through a phase where she has some behaviors that make her difficult to live with. My SO's son is a teen and is a perfect angel. It's still easier for me to share living space with my daughter. Maybe because SO's son is opposite gender (have to be careful what i wear) and i don't feel i can speak 100% freely with him (BM is still alive and also, i didn't meet him until he was a teen so don't have that history that allows me to truly know what will hurt his feelings or not.) It wears on you. 

Without knowing anything else about you, your wife, your son, your ex, etc., the daily stress of living with an unrelated, opposite gender, teen, is something your wife lives with and you don't. 

CLove's picture

From your description your wife has no friends, no family and its all you all the time.

Thats exhausting and hard to live up to.

She needs her own friends and her own hobbies or this will never change or get better.

arkdrummer's picture

She has a sister and a mom.  They're honestly kind of despicable people who have never really treated her right and she has chosen to cut them out.  I am behind her whether she wants to keep it that way or she wants let them back in.

She has friends and coworkers she's known for years.  Her closest friend moved about 2 1/2 hours away back in May.  But even when she lived in our area, they didn't hang out much.  They both had the same mentality "everything I do, I must do it with my man".  So there wasn't a lot of girl time with them, maybe once every few months.

Any hobbies she gets into, I support 100%.  All for it.  She's good at a lot of things.  She tends to lose interest in a couple months though.  I'm basically her lifeline for happiness, entertainment, relaxation, etc.  It's a lot of pressure.

CLove's picture

As a woman,  who has a degree, who has traveled extensively, and who is more on the social side, but who was envisioning a relationship that was companionship, I had to really really make an effort to expand my "circle" because it was causing issues in my marraige (only one of the many, but thats another blog). I understand that no one person can be everything to each other. Its unreasonable. I watch my own shows, my own movies, have my own friends and my own activities. If there is an instance where Husband wants to join, then of course hes invited.

Last year I started solo hiking. Every weekend. So perhaps I went on the other side of independence, and we definitely are not in a healthy dynamic, being on the other extreme of doing things without each other and with other people. But we go through natural ebbs and flows. So for this break we are spending time together, watching movies together, having meals together. And then we hang out in our requisit areas of the house doing our own thing.

It was how I took my power back after feeling trapped and powerless. Rather than expecting my husband to be my best friend I had to become my own best friend.

I think maybe counseling would help her understand how to be her own best friend.

Kaylee's picture

Hi Arkdrummer,

Welcome! I totally understand where you're coming from because I'm a person that likes my space too.

I think if you can get your wife to agree to counselling that would be great. As Winterglow said, you and your wife have totally different perspectives on "togetherness"

It doesn't sound like your son's behavior is really an issue. However it would be good to start developing a launch plan with him, with set goals of job, college, apartment etc.

The big issue seems to be, from what you say, that your wife is quite clingy and wants you with her 24/7. Maybe she's frustrated because you both have different ideas of what togetherness entails, so her venting about your son is just an expression of that frustration?

Rags's picture

vindictive & petty?

Your kid is a teen.  And a good one at that.

Your wife... as you describe her, is a vindictive and petty immature bitch.

smh

Nea

She is far more an immature teen than your son is.  Time for you to point this all out to her and tell her to get her head out of her ass.

IMHO of course.

Teens can be a PITA. I get that. Why not take your bride to a classy resort for NY and bang all over a luxury hotel suite. The you pull the teeth on the not wanting to be alone with your bride and.... there is no need to continue to let your wife be a bitch to your as you describe him, good kid.

There are many things about your wife that just don't pass the smell test.  

Yosemite's picture

Anyone who does that is killing their relationship by a thousand cuts. It is fine to ask for a reasonable request to be met, but any amount of smack talk about someone's child is unacceptable. If you don't like the step kid, I understand but vent here or to friends same as you would if it was a friend's child. Talking smack about someone's kid is only going to bring out the mama/papa bear and get you the opposite of what you want. If the issue is you need more alone time, be an adult and say so. If the issue is you're a human and get a little jealous sometimes admit that and ask for what you need. I am not implying you can't be honest or ever ask your partner to correct their child, just leave out the smack talk. Please ask kid to stop leaving their shoes in the living room will get the job done while Kid is a disgusting creep who leaves their stinky shoes in the living room all the time will at best cause resentment and potentially cause a fight. Remember you are both on the same team so there's no winning against each other. There's only working together to get everyone's needs met.

1st3rd5thWEInHell's picture

One minute you say your child is amazing and does as told and the next you say he is lazy and wont do chores and bring friends over constantly rather than go out/hang out at their places

 

Which one is it?

 

Sorry but your wife doesnt have to clean after your kids, nor cook. She is entirely right and you prob feel frustrated about it because you expect her to help you more but you chose to be a single parent and seem to have little to no involvement with your first child and kind of let the second one live as long as he doesnt cause any problems that directly impact you.

 

Your son is 17 years old and constantly at home in his room. Im sorry but thats not what i would call "privacy" for a couple. He never goes away for visitation to his mom so I can see why your wife is frustrated with your ex because she is the one dealing with yalls child while mom is living it up out of state and you are dotting on your son and making excuses.

If i were her,i wouldnt worry about date nights or privacy. I would worry about whether this child will ever leave the home and launch on his own when he turns 18 or will she be an eternal witness to your coddling and absent minded parenting

You spend too much time being offended over her criticising your ex. She speaks her mind on your ex and you dont like it....probably because you have some unresolved shit going on with your ex.

My husband hates when i criticise his ex and i told him "why does it matter if I think negatively of her, is it hurting you?"....He got really quiet. Only ppl who cant handle criticism of their exes as parents are usually the ones who have unresolved feelings towards them.

 

You "love" your wife.....Probably in love with the idea of having a wife to fill in the void left by your ex

You should apologise to her and have a convo with your son about launching (17yo - 1 more year for college and career plans) and give him a schedule with days he has to be out with friends/gfs or find a hobby outside the home. When I was 17yo, I wasnt spending my new years eve with my parents as a couple lol....but your baby manchild does....ask yourself why?

 

Toxic Situation's picture

It is very interesting to read through this. I agree with one commenter, who said that this is a step parent forum, so it's like criticizing the other team (or asking them for advice, and there's nothing wrong with that). If your wife learns to disengage as a step parent (which would be an essential for her), that would be great. But then again, it's not her who's here asking, it's you. So, you probably already have your answer as to whether she might be willing to learn what step parents can do to cope.

As I read along, I see that your wife might indeed be clingy. In other words, this is an entirely separate issue. The best you can do is try some of the suggestions other commenters have left on here, as well as do the things she is asking you to do. If you try these things and they work, then they work. And if you try them, and they don't work, then you know they don't work.

But one of the main things I see here is your effort to try to "get her to see." Believe me, as one who has spent much of his life trying to get others to see, whether it's in the form of, "if they only understood what a problem this is causing, they would stop that," or, "if they understood how I feel, they would stop that," I can tell you that it's a lot of effort for very little return on investment, if any. It usually doesn't work.

And the advice on getting counseling, which is not always the magic cure people think it is, is just taking "trying to get her to see" to another level, to: "if someone with a degree and credentials tells her the same things that I've been telling her, she will finally see, because unlike myself, this person is a professional and therefore their words carry more weight." Counseling may well work - for the person who is asking for advice, which in this case is you, not her. So, good luck in trying to "get her to see."

Another issue is time: in one, two...five years, you son may eventually move out. Will she be satisfied with your relationship then?

The only other thing I can think of is that you seem like the typical nice guy. That means you will continually try to explain, try all sorts of things to accomodate her and still have your boundaries walked all over and have her disregard you. A really good book on this is "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover. It's not about how to be mean instead of nice, but is a book on learning to draw healthy boundaries in relationships, which many of us never learned to do. It's worth reading and I wish you, and your wife, the best of luck.

 

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An update for anyone interested:

So I sent my son to my sister's to hang with my nephew for all of New Year's Eve and most of Sunday.  There was no fuss or argument on his end so no big deal there.  I scoped out all the happenings in our town for NYE and offered to take her to any of them, a nice dinner out, whatever she wanted.  She really didn't want to go anywere and we ended up just ordering pizza and wings and watching movies at home, nothing different than what we do on any given night.  It was fun though; she was more at ease, we had some cheap champagne and had a good time.

One thing that irked me a little was at one point she turned things into a bitch session about my son.  I let her vent for a while but then I just had to say "look, this night is about us.  I didn't send him away for us to get a night alone just for you to talk about him all night."  I get that she was venting some, but damn, I didn't want to spend the whole night hearing her complain about him when this night was for us to reconnect.  So she agreed to wrap that up and we continued enjoying our night.

So things have been good the past few days.  My son returned to school Tuesday.  He came home and napped a little in his room, came out to eat dinner with us but I could tell something was a little wrong.  Turns out it seems he didn't completely shake whatever he had come down with last week.  He sent me a text at around 3 am that I saw this morning as I got ready for work with a pic of his thermometer reading 102.8.  As I said before, the kid hasn't missed a day of school all year and I told him he should stay home with a fever like that.

So the wife wakes up early this afternoon (she stays on a graveyard shift sleep schedule for her job).  I told her that I had told him to stay home.  Of course she starts in right away that she feels there's something more to this, he didn't "sound" sick yesterday and could have faked his thermometer pic, he probably has a new class he doesn't like and now he doesn't want to go to school, etc.

Of course that's all a possibility.  But why did she feel the need to jump right to "oh he's faking"?  Why is it unbelievable to her that he's legitimately sick?  It's not like he misses school frequently; this is the first day all year.  That's what's aggravating; I tried to fulfill a need for her and I thought it helped, but it seems it's just reinvigorated her as far as bickering and complaining.

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I admit that i tend to take the stepparent's perspective, since this is a stepparenting site, but my advice is to give it time. It probably didn't take her one night to develop these feelings, so while the stay-in date night is a step in the right direction, you can't expect that one occasion will fix everything overnight. Keep redirecting her when she starts her vent sessions and keep giving her some one-on-one time. Maybe doing that along with marriage counseling will help. It will at least give her someone to vent to.