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aandrmom's picture

I'm new and searched for a site because I need help. My marriage is on the verge of ending... I am devastated.
I have been married for 7 years. My husband and I have 2 young children together, aged 4 and 6. They are the centre of my life. I adore them. My husband has a child from a previous marriage, aged 15. I do not hate her but I do not know her. She visits us rarely, maybe 3 - 4 weekends last year. My husband will travel to see her a little more often. When she comes, it is difficult to build a relationship with her. She doesn't talk. She is there to see her Dad and my children and I are just 3 extra people in the house at the same time.
recently, my parents gave a trip. By us, I mean me, my husband and our 2 children. The trip is with them, my siblings and their spouses and children. This is a big deal, it is not a trip we would ever be able to afford. They are paying for everything... everything... we were so excited.
Just a few days ago, my husband told me that he thought his daughter should go on the trip too. I told him I didn't think she should. She has seen my parents 2 - 3 times in the past 3 - 4 years and those visits have been for a couple of hours. She does not know my parents and they do not know her. She was not invited because in all reality, they do not see her as anything mroe than my husband's daughter. They are not mean to her but they do not see her as part of their family.
My husband is flipping out. He said when we married, I accepted her as part of him and they accepted her too. We did and I did. I accepted her as his daughter... I do not expect my family to include her in all their events.
Help?? Am I completely wrong? Should I bend on this one and expect my family to welcome her on this trip as well? Am I willing to let her end my marriage (this is the way he is talking)...

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New Mama's picture

Welcome!

If it were me, I'd tell DH that she can come but he'll have to pay her way. That, since your parents don't know her very well that you don't feel comfortable asking them to pay her way.

Maybe this trip will give you, your children, and your family the opportunity to bond with her. She COULD be a great big sister, given the chance.

aandrmom's picture

Fair enough but in reality, we cannot afford it. It would cost us $2000 to bring her and that isn't money we have kicking around.

New Mama's picture

Then, there's your excuse. You're not comfortable asking your parents and DH can't afford to pay her way. You're not telling DH she can't go so he shouldn't be mad at you, right?

It seems unreasonable that he's prepared to throw your relationship and family down the drain over a trip your parents offered to take you on. Is there something else going on?

Aeron's picture

My first thought here is that you married this man, your parents had no real part in that and I'd be amazed to see a tape where they stood up and took vows with him along side you.

That said - who is he expecting to pay for his daughter to go on this trip? This girl is a stranger to them, it's absurd for him to expect his in-laws to pay for a kid they barely know. It's not a trip you and your H arranged, your parents did, they get to invite who they want, particularly if they're paying. If he wants to be a big boy and ask them if they're okay with your SD going and you two can afford to pay for it, then I might consider how much a fuss do you really want to kick up around it (she may not want to go anyway if she ignores all of you when you do see her). But if he's expecting your parents to pay for it, there's no bending for you to do - it's not your decision.

I hate to tell him, but your parents Didn't "accept her" when the two of you got married. They get to do whatever they want and he needs to deal with it. This also isn't about you being "willing to let her end your marriage" - if it happens it's because your H is too childish, immature and frankly, out of his mind to deal with the fact that he can't force everyone to love his child and have her treated "like their own". He obviously hasn't fostered the relationship between his daughter and you and your family so honestly, what the hell does he expect?

Just reinforce to him it's not your choice whether she goes or not, it's your parents and as a GIFT it might be nice to just accept the gift and not whine about someone they hardly know being left out.

You aren't wrong, he's being ridiculous.

aandrmom's picture

He wouldn't ask them to pay, he wants us to pay for the trip.
I agree, my parents didn't accept him, they welcomed him to the family when I made the decision to marry him. You're also right, he hasn't worked hard to build the relationship

aandrmom's picture

I love him... I don't want to split. That is the last thing i want. I am flabbergasted (sp??) that this is a breaking point for him. There is more to this situation with my stepdaughter then just the trip. I just wanted to know fi I was wrong for not thinking that she should go on this trip.

aandrmom's picture

I respect his love for his daughter but expecting her to be part of my family vacation isn't what I want.

aandrmom's picture

I agree with everything you said... thank you.
In his defense, he sees her often, he travels to see her and sees her much more than 3 weekends a year. I wasn't clear in that statement.

Anonymous_stepmom's picture

Oh hell no! Unless of course your DH plans to pay for all her expenses and if it is all good with your family that she come along. I mean after all it was you, your DH and your children who were invited, not her, it's like stepping on your families toes. It's not up to your parents to pay for someone they don't know so like I said if DH is willing to pay for her expenses and your family says it's okay with them then fine, otherwise no. Oh and I'd say you should be cool with it too, if you aren't even if DH says he will pay for her I'd just say nope, sorry.

P.S. I find it entirely weird he would end his marriage over one little trip that YOUR family did not invite her on, it's not like you have control over that. Maybe if he wants to spend time with her he should just have her down to visit and you go on vacation with your family by yourself?

aandrmom's picture

He wants to pay, he doesn't expect my parents to pay. My problem is she isn't part of my family. She is part of him and me, but not part of my family.... why should she come if no other efforts are made to make her part of the "family"

Anonymous_stepmom's picture

Maybe he thinks this would be good for her and the rest of the family to get to know each other so she can be a part of the family? I dunno. Have you spoke to your parents about it? How do they feel about her coming along?

aandrmom's picture

My parents want this trip for them, their children and their grandchildren. They're so excited that I'm afraid to tell them that this is going on. They've said before that they didn't want her to go. Not because they hate her but because they don't know her. They said they feel bad for feeling that way but that is how they feel

aandrmom's picture

yes, the only one and also, I was the first married. I saw his anger and hurt when his ex wife brought her new husband into the picture and wanted him to take over as the Dad. I think deep down I put a guard up not to hurt him by pushing my family on her and in the end, I have ruined any relationship.

purpledaisies's picture

Will you even have her during the trip or will Ger mom say no? I ask b/c if the mom is a nut or if u will need a passport she nay just say no.

unwillingparticipant's picture

Your question to dh should be "Why THIS trip. Why NOW?". It would baffle me if all of a sudden, dh wanted his first child included in this when he seemingly hasn't shown interest in much with her before. Does he feel guilty and he believes this would alleviate some of the guilt he feels for not having a strong relationship with her?

Its been my personal childhood experience that parents who feel guilty for their actions, missteps, inactions, words, etc use money as a way to alleviate their guilt about their lack of quality parenting.

Anonymous_stepmom's picture

Ultimately I feel that because it is your family that arranged for this trip and you are not paying any expenses it is up to them whether they want her there or not and if they have said no (as you have stated) your husband should just accept that, it's not your fault, tell him to take it up with your parents if he is so bent out of shape over it.

Disneyfan's picture

Would your parents be ok with her going if DH paid her way?

What if he says he won't allow any of his kids to go unless SD is invited?

purpledaisies's picture

Disneyfan they can't afford to pay for her and ops parents r paying for the other out of the goodness if their hearts. Nor cool for him to say such a thing

purpledaisies's picture

I want to know if this trip is during his parenting time? If not then there shouldn't be a problem.

cant win for losin's picture

I'm sorry but he is rude, wrong, and way out of line. We are not talking about a skid being purposely left out. This skid has no relationship of any kind with OP family. Skid is a stranger to them, so it makes PERFECT sense they wouldn't invite her. This is a child who rarely visits OP and BD, so what is the exclusion? There is none.
And IMHO I think it would be rude of you to ask your parents for another person to come, regardless if you and DH pay. This isn't a simple dinner invite. It is a full paid get away vacation. I would be irritated if I planned a trip with people I personally picked and paid for to ask can we bring so and so? Uh, no! There is a reason I chose just you and you. and you.
I would tell DH, "sorry, but my parents planned this and paid for it. I am not going to disrespect them by inviting along another on a trip that they planned and Paid for. I understand you feeling guilty about going without her, if it is that conflicting then use this time to visit with skid. Me and the kids are gonna go. It wouldn't be fair to our kids to be shorted a great opportunity for memories with family. "

bi's picture

agreed. i was pretty disgusted and astounded years ago when my exbf and i asked my cousin if her daughter could come to NYC with us so bd would have someone to have fun with. she had the nerve to ask us to take her son too, because it wouldn't be fair otherwise. on our dime, of course. i was so shocked at her lack of etiquette that all i could say was that we couldn't afford that. we ended up not going, but you better believe i never invited her kid to anything ever again!

aandrmom's picture

My husband wouldn't say that our children or I can't go. He wouldn't do that. He is bent out of shape because he feels guilty about going and his other daughter not going. He is protecting his daughter and wants her to have the vacation opportunity that his other children have been given. The trip is to Florida - Disney parks, Sea World, Universal, all the big things. He has decided that he can't go, even if things work out with us. He said that he could never take the chance of going and her finding out. He loves her like he loves our children. I do not have the bond that he does with her. He is mad that in his mind we are all one big family but in my families minds, we are not. She is not known by them. I have suggested lying to her but he is afraid out children will let something slip and her be mad, or something would be seen or said on facebook that would tip her off. I've suggested a smaller scale, more local trip for the 5 of us this summer but he wants her to experience Disney. I just disagree that my family trip is his place to make us a family.
We have to work on us, on my place as a step mother, her relationship with our children and then, her relationship with my family. The more I think, the more I realize how insecure and uncomfortable I am with someone who has been part of my life for 10 years and someone that I just do not know.

12yrstepmonster's picture

We have run into this problem ourselves. AS my skids have gotten older they want nothing to do with my family. So, to solve the conflict of DH, he is left behind when we go to on a mini vacation to see my family. I take my two kids and my mom and we go off and see my siblings - sight see along the way. Do I feel bad for skids. Yes, my family has a lot of love to offer. IT was their choice to be excluded.

I would tell DH that you are sad to see him go, that you love him, that you can understand his feelings, but you do not feel that it is your family's place to accommodate sd. Make a suggestion that he take her to a local theme park, or a weekend getaway.

IT sounds like it might be a good idea for YOUR family- dh, you and the kids to do a little family long weekend. It is sad that she is not close to her siblings.

Anonymous_stepmom's picture

Ah Disney..... Again. Apparently a few of us on this board are having issues with Disney trips and skids.

Maybe he could save and take her to Disney himself?

stepmonster_2011's picture

At 15 would she even WANT to go to Disney with a bunch of people she doesn't know?

I mean your DH is way out of line and all that - but let's flip this around - when I was 15 the last thing I would have wanted to do for a vacation is go with my step-mother's family to Disney. Seriously.

I think what we have here is a complete freak out by your DH because he feels guilty for not providing a trip to Disney when she was little.

It's sad that he will now compound the problem by not going so his younger children can enjoy Disney with him.

Good luck.

cant win for losin's picture

While I can appreciate his feelings of guilt about his older child, I find it sad to his younger children. He is choosing to miss out on memories for himself and his family he has now! He is so hell bent on a family of 5 he is missing and sacrificing his family of 4. Sad what, if you can't be a family of 5 then you are not a family?
I understand these parents of divorce wanting their children to not miss a thing, but it just isn't possible. At least not possible without someone or something being sacrificed. I told my DH when our BD was born, she will not miss out on her rights of enjoying "intact" family things and traditions while we wait for the other kids to "make it" she should not be sacrificed because of our poor choices in our past.
I think you did right by offering a smaller scale vacation for the 5 of you. IMO, his response to that is childish! He is punishing you, sort to speak, because he is mad at your parents. And in truth, his anger is misdirected. Who he is mad at is himself! This trip is a physical reminder, a slap of reality, that you guys really are not a family of 5.
10 years you have been with DH and "this trip" is the deal breaker for your marriage? Hmm, I hope he is just blowin steam cause if he isn't then his problem is deeper than Disney!

Have fun with your kiddo's and family! Don't give in, it wouldn't be fair or right to put your folks on the spot to agree to the extra invite.

Aeron's picture

He's protecting her? From what? The fact that she's chosen to not have a relationship with you or your family? She's 15, she does have some choice in this. So does your DH. He's upset that his fantasy of 'happy family' is broken and that's hard and it sucks for him. Oh well - he should have stepped up and he's had 7 years to help this blending happen. He didn't foster the relationship and he gets to deal with it now. But it's no one else's fault (assuming of course you didn't ban the kid from the house which doesn't sound like is what happened).

I ask again - would she even Want to go? Go away for a week or so with a bunch of people she doesn't really know and has had no interest in getting to know? How would her mom deal with the request? There's no need to lie. This is a trip with your family and she's had no interest in you or your family - if she's mad, oh well. Kid's get mad about all kinds of crap, what else is he going to do or not do in fear of her being mad?

You are right that this is not the time to make you guys a family. That needs to happen at home first.

I still think he's being ridiculous and if he wants to stay home - fine, let him.

purpledaisies's picture

I'd tell him that he had 2one other children that he should experience that with as well. Ask him if SD can't go on any of ur vacations us he not going to go and not be with other kids either? Makes no sense.

hismineandours's picture

I agree with all the others-your dh is being unreasonable-if he wants his daughter to feel like more of a part of your family then he needs to work on that in YOUR OWN home first. Why does she only spend 3 or 4 weekends with you all a year? Shouldnt she get to know you and your kids better before going on a vaca (that she wasnt actually invited to)with all your various relatives? It seems like it would be awkward for everyone including her.

New Mama's picture

Since you don't want to end the marriage (which seems absurd to me), you can't afford to pay her way, and your parents uncomfortable with her there.... I'd tell DH that since this trip is not an option for SD that you all could take a more affordable family trip with just your family. Ask him to let your parents have their trip and you can take a seperate (more affordable) one with SD if he'd like.

As a step kid, I always saw my step siblings get more from my step-grandparents and I know it made my mom upset that she couldn't smother us with gifts like they were. It never bothered me. They acknowledged me and gave me little gifts and I always appreciated it because I didn't expect it since at the time, I didn't know them. Over 13 years, I know them now and love them and they love me. But it took time for us to get to know each other.

As a parent, my BD1 is completely ignored by my DH's parents while SS7 is spoiled rotten and it really REALLY bothers me. I can understand your H's point of view. It's still his child.

My parents treat SS7 and my step-nephew just like their own. I tell her not to because SS7 is such a jerk to me but they do anyway. And I know DH really appreciates that.

bestwife's picture

I still can't figure out what he really wants?

Your parents aren't going to pay, you are not personally going to pay and he can't afford to pay it alone. So what is the solution and how in the hell does getting divorced help anything?

If he wants a divorce I guarantee you can do better that him.

stepmomto3bioto1's picture

I have run into this one too. My mom paid for us (my daughter and I ) to go to Disney last spring. DH could have come too and his kids, if he could pay their own way. We surely couldnt afford it at the time (right before our wedding)so My daughter and I went. His sons, my step sons, threw a huge hissy fit..how dare I keep them from the fun too....umm...I told them DH didnt go. They still took offense, which was way silly (waasnt even their spring break, they live a state away too)...so...

DH has been paying for our summer vaca in the Smoky Mtns all year and we all are going to it this summer.

My thought or idea is: What if you all could do your 'family' vaca with the kids and you and dh this summer instead or something. That way she feels a part of it, and so does DH. Could be as easy & cheap as staying at a camp ground or something. Just my opinion or thought.

Hope things get better for ya soon!!!

godess-clueless's picture

The 15 yr. old daughter does not live in your household.
She by choice prefers not to participate or accept you and the children of your household as family.
She has a mother who is collecting child support and if it was that important to her to have this daughter go along she would at least be offering to pay the child's expenses if she were invited.
BUT
Your parents did not invite her.
They barely know her.
She will be going along as a stranger to the rest of the family and even if there were some of your nieces in her age group it does not mean they will be accepting of her.
If she chooses not to be sociable or helpful during this trip then where does that leave you? Will DH be pacifying her with one on one attention while you are left on your own with the younger ones? Don't think that is what your parents intended on their dime.

If your DH told her about this trip or invited her then I think he was out of line. If he promised her something that was not his to give or offer he was in the wrong. He created a situation that makes you and your family appear to her as the bad guys in this.

One of the biggest problems between my DH and I was getting him to realize that all children are not always entitled to the same things in life. Turn the situation around and there are most likely advantages for the daughter that she enjoys because of her mom's side of the family. Her 2 younger half siblings are not entitled because she gets.

emotionaly beat up's picture

So, does this mean if his ex wife's parents were planning a similar all expenses paid trip your DH would expect that they take your children along too. Or does this only apply to his daughter. I am sure his 15 year old does many things that your children are not a part of. This is a family holiday (your family) planned and paid for by your parents, I think it is rude of him to expect they include his daughter. He may see her often, you only see her 3 or 4 times a year and apparently she does not attempt to fit in, your parents I assume would have been lucky to have seen her 3 or 4 times in her lifetime, so she would not fit in with them either, does he really want his daughter to have a family holiday with people she apparently would rather not spend time with just to make him feel less guilty. He is a bit selfish on many levels isn't he.

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