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CautiousOne's picture

I love my boyfriend. I really do. And through everything weve been through especially with the on going fights about his daughter and his drinking hes decided to stop drinking. Which I commend him for more than anything. My question is how much communication does him and his ex wife have to have? Ive resorted to looking at the phone bill just to see. Some text can go on for 20 minutes or so. Almost 20 to 30 texts between the two on going. What do they have to talk about? Its not all day or everyday but sometimes it can go on for days. I dont want to ask him because then hed know i was looking at the phone bill but im almost to the point im fed up. I dont talk to my childrens father nearly that much on any scale. Maybe 2 text every two weeks just to see when hes going to pick the kids up.I know they have joint custody, and before she starts school next month he gets her about every 3 to 4 days. But its ridiculous that they talk as much as they do. Ive eased dropped on his phone and seen its mostly about the child but thats when hes here. These random bouts of texts usually happens while hes at work. I guess im jealous but shes with someone and they have a baby due and its like even his family are concerned about the new baby more than they are how it makes me feel when they text me asking if he knows if its here yet. Why would he need to know and why is it any of his business? Surely my mind is just making stuff up because it pisses me off but I dont see how after being divorced and apart for nearly a year they can still text as much as they do. And what angers me more is sometimes he deletes them which also concerns me.. How much is too much?

momagainfor4's picture

if he's deleting texts then that's a big deal. Why would he do that? My guess is that he knows that you look at the phone or he is hiding them from you.

Emotional attachments to ppl in our lives can interfer with our regular relationships. Sounds as if he's got some issues he needs to work on. You pretending to be oblivious is nuts to me. I always speak my peace!! I have to or I'll blow up!

CautiousOne's picture

22 texts in 20 minutes just seems like an awful lot to me.. I could be blowing this out of proportion but it just doesnt set right with me and being someone who has dealt with enough bs in my life I just dont see what two people who divorced and moved on to other people have to discuss.

AllySkoo's picture

How much is too much? Whatever the people involved say it is.

Look, some parents exchange a lot of info about their child. They're both very involved, good parents. I coach soccer, and I saw a divorced couple like that - they both showed up to every game, they had civilized conversation (not personal - civil) and they both put their kid's needs ahead of their own feelings. *shrug* It worked for them, and I suspect that any SO who came into the picture for either of them would have to either be fine with it or bow out.

Other parents have virtually zero contact. They do not discuss the child at all, each parents on their own time and takes the view "My house, my time. Your house, your time." There are some like that on these boards, and for those people having zero contact is the ONLY way to make it work.

So for you, "enough" means one thing. For your SO and for BM, "enough" means something different. You and SO need to sit down and AGREE on what "enough" looks like. That does NOT mean you get to dictate to him. It does NOT mean that you are right, or that he's right. It means the two of you have to figure out TOGETHER what both of you can live with. Maybe that means you have to take a good hard look at why your "enough" is less than his. Why does it bother you? Is there some other way you could be bothered less? And yes, he also has to take a good hard look at his definition and see if there's any give there. But you guys both - BOTH - need to stop trying to be "right" about what constitutes "enough".

Last In Line's picture

The deleting of texts would concern me far more than the number of texts. I'd be concerned about the number of them also, maybe, depending of the number of kids and their ages, and how much parenting time each has...frequent drop-offs/pick-ups, school activities, illnesses, etc all can be reasons for more contact.

You have to either discuss this with him, or move on, and of course if you don't like what comes from the discussion you might be moving on anyway. If you leave it alone, it will erode your relationship. Bring up the phone bill. "I was cleaning off the table and ran across your phone bill. I know it was nosy of me but I looked at it and saw that you text BM an awful lot. I am really hurt by this and need you to explain to me why there's so much contact." If he blows up about your invading his privacy, let him go.

Unfreakingreal's picture

My DH used to delete BM's texts. Not because anything was going on, but because every time I saw that she had text him, I would throw a fit. So in an effort to avoid fights, he'd delete her texts. When I finally told him off about it, he stopped doing it. But I also stopped bitching and moaning every time she text.
Her texts were always incredibly derogatory and she would speak to my DH as if SHE was his wife. It used to burn my ass something FIERCE. Thankfully, she's pretty much left us alone because I guess she got sick of my DH ignoring her stupid ass.

NoWireCoatHangarsEVER's picture

I saw an internet meme. It said you don't to read the messages. You just need to grab his phone and run to the bathroom and lock the door in front of him. If he tries kicking down the door, he's cheating!

CautiousOne's picture

No I'm not jealous.. I just think if he can answer her texts and ignore mine There's a problem there. I told him a bit ago how it made me feel he said he was aware I didn't like them talking and they only discussed the child. And no the baby is not his, we already established they weren't together last at any point of her conception date. When I first found out I thought the same thing. I just don't like how often they talk regardless. I believe everything that needs to be said can be said about the kid, such as drop offs and pick ups and what's going on in school and etc in a few texts not excessive ones through out the day. As I said maybe I'm making things worse than it is but she walked out on him and got knocked up by another man. Shes done nothing but cause problems and issues for us since we got together. For a while I thought she was jealous and she could be but we're suppose to get married soon and I just can't walk into a marriage with doubts in my head like this.

notasm3's picture

OP cannot just make a decision to "trust" her BF. He needs to exhibit trustworthiness.

He may be deserving of trust - but how the hell is she supposed to know that when he is hiding stuff? Some men hide stuff because they are cheating assholes - other because they are just too stupid to understand the message that conveys.

CautiousOne's picture

Its been going on all day. It seems like everytime I turn around they are messaging today. Shes expecting a baby with another man and shes too busy messaging her ex. Now hes on the defense about it saying its just about his kid but how on earth can i believe that when the child is with us and there is no reason to conversate any further when its when on all day.. Trust is an issue because no matter how much i say it bothers me he doesnt seem to care because he claims its about the child.

Last In Line's picture

This isn't something that is going to change. You told him it bothers you, he basically has said F you, I'm going to do it anyway. You have to decide if you are ok with that, or if you aren't.

ChiefGrownup's picture

"Oh, dear, what is going on with dear little skid? How can I help? I'm so worried about skid now, it must be something big if you and bm have so much to talk about, so much time she's taking away from her new baby daddy! oh oh oh! poor little skid, what can it be?!"

Say stuff like that.

CautiousOne's picture

From what I've seen of his text between them when I actually check they usually go from I can't believe our daughter is acting this way, I can't deal with her smart mouth, I need more money for this, what kind of dad are you that you can't give me more money, or she'll send pictures of the child at times when their out. One time she slipped up while on vacation with her other baby daddy and sent a picture of her and the child that says we miss you. I lost it.. then during Christmas the new baby daddy left her and she immediately messaged my guy and was asking him what was wrong with her those occasions are why I check now bc the line was crossed a few times. And he engaged in conversation. To my knowledge it hasn't happened again but now that's she's aware were getting married it's almost like her rudeness and neediness for more money has increased. Blaming my kids for her failures as mother and just the tone in which she texts him like he's a child. Shes demanded monet to the pointed she told him he had to sell his car. Then she'll go back to being nice when he tells her he doesn't have it. Almost like she wants to control both households by using one child. I wonder sometimes what her new boyfriend must think or if he even knows they talk as much as they do..

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I told my DH from the getgo--I'd rather be a bitch than stupid. I do spot checks every so often because I can't say with certainty that he will recognize he's crossing a line until he is actually over it (people caught up in the middle of things often do) and HELL if I'm the last person to find out.

A friend of mine was so against this that she stopped talking to me for a few months because she was all "How could you do that, I could NEVER invade his privacy like that, I trust my boyfriend 100%" etc. Yeah. Then one day she calls me crying saying that her boyfriend, the one she wants to marry and trusts so completely, is still paying for his ex-wife's tuition and rent which he never told her about and she only found out by looking at his email. She didn't even know they were still exchanging emails daily and she'd been with him for two years.

Of course, DH agreed to my terms of no secrets and spot checks, and it works both ways. He can go through my stuff any time. Our agreement is that if anything makes either person uncomfortable, then we don't continue doing it. That was our promise to each other when we started dating. We both agree that just because you have the right (to talk to your ex), doesn't make it right. If your BF can't handle that, and you can't handle knowing it increases the risk he might be doing something behind your back if you don't check, then perhaps you guys aren't meant to be together.

(And people talk to me about morals but, I've been close to black-out drunk before, and although I'm usually straightlaced about things, drunk me has less inhibitions than I do. All I have to do is ask them about their drunken escapades and they all go quiet. Morals and values can be shifted with mind-altering substances, as they can be with situations. So, to me, prevention is always the best medicine.)

CautiousOne's picture

It's not that don't trust him.. it just seems like every time I turn around she's texting about something. Ive looked at his phone and I've eavesdropped. It seems like she's always finding something to bitch and complain about and just simply trYing to control everything about the child from what we use to bathe her to what we put on her for mosquitoes. She's even went as far as asking for more money and insinuating that I make enough money that I can help too. Why on earth would I give her money when she has more than enough to care for her own child. She gets him bent out of shape where he's snapping at me at times and I've told him he has to stop. If she's texting for something other than what's going on with the child a reply isn't necessary and he shouldn't have to be at her beck and call. I've explained my disdain for it and he tells me he's aware I don't like it.. but.. she has a man that lives with her and they are expecting a child any day now but she insists on constantly texting about things like, "well I can't do anything with her today" and his replies are, "well what do you want me to do" or "she's not like that here" and she'll blame my kids and he's defended them saying his child brings the bad behaviour here. She left him for another man, we are planning on getting married and it seems like she can't stand it. I'm not sure why every hiccup requires a text message. The other day I told him at dinner as they are both texting that it was our time and she can wait if the child isn't sick or in danger the ex can wait for a reply when we're not busy. He's respecting me more by not texting so much but when we're apart it seems he can't help it. He has to defend himself to her bc she's always implying something negative toward him. I mind my own business for the most part but it's upsetting to know that she's mostly doing this bc of the child and she knows what buttons to push to cause chaos. And I know they have a kid together and Co parenting is a fantastic thing but the complaining, arguing and downgrading toward him I just wish he'd learn to leave it be and move on away from it. It even gets to a point if I ask about the child hell lie about talking to her so it doesn't upset me even when I can tell he has bc his mood changes.. I don't think he still has feelings, but I do think she doesn't want him to be happy ever.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Yup, it's hell. Stop asking about if he talked to her. When his mood changes, simply withdraw yourself from his company. Just let him handle her how he wants to. THEN you handle YOU how you want to. Go live a fun life while he's doing his indentured servant bit.

Also, I do have to give the guy kudos for owning that his own kid brings bad behavior with her. And what nerve that bm has, trying to get your moolah!

CautiousOne's picture

I think that's what really pissed me off about all this when she tried to use my income as a chance to get more money.. and thats a great idea.. I will start doing that. I don't want to worry one more minute about her making him mad bc be allows it and I shouldn't pay for it.