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anwarrick's picture

When I met my husband he had three pre-teenage boys and 18 year old daughter.
His daughter is from his first wife and the three boys from his second wife.
I have a son and a daughter who were 12 and 9 when we met, both from the same father.

His daughter lives with her mother in another state.
His daughter is nice enough but seems only interested in any money we can give her.
If we don't have extra money, she doesn't have any interest in us.

His sons live with us full time with no contact from their birth mother.
As well as no financial support from their birth mother either.
Birth mother was as horrible as they come, she caused a lot of damage, they are waaaay better off without her but we really could use some financial help from her (it will never happen).
She was teaching them to lie and steal etc…the boys were headed for incarceration if something didn’t happen soon. She disappeared once she realized my husband had someone to help him, she knew she couldn’t manipulate him anymore.

We have heard from her twice since she took off 4 years ago, she wanted pictures of the boys both times. She didn’t ask how they were, she didn’t ask if they needed anything she just wanted pictures, my guess is she wanted to use the pictures for sympathy stories. We didn’t send pictures. She hops from one church charity program to another as well as a one man to another, weaving these pity stories because she is a “victim” of terrible ex-husband that took her boys away, what a joke, has nothing to do with the fact of her drug and alcohol addiction or that the neglect the boys experienced, or the boyfriends and parties and finally abandonment that caused a neighbor called police. She really is diabolical (even when she is sober) she doesn’t care who she hurts as long as she gets what she wants. I have never met anyone like her; I believe she is a true sociopath.

I share custody of my son and daughter with my ex-husband, we keep it as civil as possible. He pays child support (not much) but every little bit helps. I wish my kids were with me all the time, I really miss them when they are not home.

The day after I met my husband’s boys for the first time; under the boys’ birth mother's instruction the middle son accused me of hurting him. To this day I don't know why he agreed to do that. Long story-short, it was proven a lie in court and my record wiped clean.

A couple years go by and we married. My family was really uneasy about this for obvious reason, but they saw how much my kids loved my husband and my husband and I loved each other. They hoped we could pull it off. It took my family a little while to warm up to the boys but they embraced them and include them and support them. My husband’s family, let’s not even start there. Let’s just say they very rarely get involved.

We now have five teenagers in the house ages 14 (boy-stepson), 15(girl-daughter) ,16 (boy-stepson), 17 (boy-stepson), 18 (boy-son). I have his sons full time and only get to see my kids a little over half of the time.

I came from a family with lots of divorce and abuse. I was determined not to have that for my children, but as we all know by now life doesn’t turn out the way we plan. I am from an abused childhood and my saving grace was moving away from my mother and in with my dad and his new wife and child. I thought I had a unique perspective on how his sons may be feeling or thinking…since the situations were similar. As a child, I just wanted someone to love me and a safe place to live. So, when I know I was going to be a step-mom, I read and read and read everything I could get my hands on to help me in step-parenting. I truly believe I have done a great job. My failure was in the fact that I assumed they would want to be in a safe loving home. I thought they would want me to love them since I went through hell (falsely accused and all) for them. I have always wanted a big happy family, doesn’t everyone? Turns out the boys are the most uncaring, inconsiderate, ungrateful and selfish people I have ever met. It is not that they are in your face kind of disrespectful just a constant unaffected by their Dad and my existence. They lie constantly. Half way do anything we ask, which is one chore a day, so we do not ask much of them. So, I am not naive enough to think it was all going to go perfectly and everyone is always going to get along. But, I had hoped that after 4 years some sort of relationship had started to form. It feels like we just serve a purpose and that is to provide food, shelter, medical care and money.

The other side of this is my husband’s parenting style is totally opposite of mine which doesn’t mean he is wrong or I am wrong it is just simply a problem. Now, we talked about parenting quite a bit before the boys moved in with us, because I was unsure if I should marry him and take them on as a step-mom, due to our history I was really unsure. Plus, I reallllllly did not want to put my children in a bad environment. Through our many discussions before they moved in, I felt that we would be a strong parenting team and we would be able to work anything out. My husband kept saying over and over “they are really good kids, they just need a chance” I thought we believed the same things, had the same expectations and generally wanted what was best for the kids and us.

My husband has not held up his end of the bargain in one aspect. He doesn’t discipline his children. He feels guilty for how bad it was when they had to live with their mom. So it feels wrong to discipline them now (to him at least). One of the reasons I fell in love with him is his love for his children, he went through hell with his ex trying to do the right thing. I have never witnessed a man willing to go through that to help his children, all the males I have ever known would just walk away and leave the kids there. I digress, anyway, so my husband style of parenting is to complain for a while, then raise his voice about it and then NO follow through. So, guess what, they do their chore or act like they do until he is out of site then they go back to what they want to do, knowing he will not check to see if they do it. I have told him I have seen them doing this, I watched his son put the broom back in the closet while leaving a dirt pile on the floor as soon as my husband walked out of the room. He just shakes his head. He doesn’t want to ground them and when he does (by my encouragement) it is only a few days and not a real grounding. He does this explaining/justifying why he is grounding them almost like he is apologizing. They are teenagers; they know exactly what they are doing or not doing.

My parenting style is to tell them what is expected (chart of chores, color coded one chore a child per day) I shouldn’t have to ask them to do it. If if figure out they have not or halfway do it I will tell them again. This includes my kids too. If nothing is done then, I will ground for a minimum a week and all technology including TV is gone. That seems to be their currency. I know situations change day to day with school/work activities and I am really fair and ask the same of all of them, I don’t single out the step-children. Unfortunately, it is almost always my step sons that are the problem.

The constant lying is a MAJOR deal with me. Most of time it is not big stuff but it is just constant lying. My husband is unbothered by it. He knows they are lying to him. I can’t get my mind around it. He just says “well, what can I do?” Uhm, it is called be a Father. He is teaching them it is ok to do whatever you want even if you lie to do it. Hmmmm…..wasn’t I stating that about his ex-wife earlier? I don’t think he wants them to be like that but I believe he thinks as long as he is not “mean” to them they will not take advantage him and they will turn out fine. I guess he forgot who their mother is already.

At first, I was staying on the boys about their actions and calling them out on their lies. Making them do the right thing. Explaining that is what is expected and it is an important life skill to learn to live life without lying about everything. I mean I was their step-mom, I was raising them and taking care of them, it felt like the natural thing to do, I was doing this because someone needed to let them know the boundaries. I wasn’t being mean, I handled it kindly but firmly. But, I realized that husband was very quiet and uninvolved. Slowly I realized he needed to be doing this not me. These actions put me squarely in the “wicked step mother” role. Even though what I was doing/saying was not meant as evil but meant to help them because I knew their mother didn’t provide much of a moral compass for them. So, I naturally went to my husband (we are in this together right?) he agreed with what I was trying to do and he would handle it. But, he didn’t. I was left to deal and I was getting angrier and angrier. I was in a bad mood all the time. Which is unlike me, I am normally one of those happy go lucky positive people. So, I then completely disengaged with the boys. I didn’t say one word to them about their actions or chores or their lies. I called my kids out when they didn’t do their chore but that was all. I checked out. I was thinking surely he will see and surely he will step up. Nothing. I know realize that is how he wanted it, he doesn’t want to put effort into it, he doesn’t want to be the one to say something to the boys. He doesn’t want me to say anything to them about their actions. So I guess you could say he avoids conflict on a major level. I guess he thinks if nothing is said then nothing is wrong. I guess you could say I am a problem solver and he is a problem avoider.

He brought a ton of debt and a ton of problems with him. My life was fine before we met, I was a single mom barely making ends meet but I was making them meet by sacrificing where need be. I loved my kids, I was happy being by myself. I don’t know it just seems like because his life was so bad before he feels he shouldn’t have to for example pack a lunch he should be able to go out to eat every day. He thinks we should go on a vacation every year (we haven’t yet) but every year it is an argument. Now he has moved onto building an above ground pool (we haven’t done that yet either). We are not making ends meet. Think about it, a family of seven. The food expense is killing us. Yet again my husband and his boys are extremely picky and wasteful. As you probably know everything is so expensive from food, utilities, insurance. Husband lets boys sign up for whatever they want at school and we have to come up with the money even though we agreed since there were five children that each child can choose one activity at school. My kids instinctively do not ask for anything because they know we are not making ends meet, they don’t even feel like they are sacrificing they just know that is best for everyone. I do not believe I or my children should always be the ones that sacrifices because he had a bad marriage before. He has not directly “said” that but he has said on a number of occasions “I have had to go without for so long I am not going to do it anymore”.

I know (from experience) that my life could be waaaay worse.
But, here I am with five teenagers, a husband that is sort of a parent and sort of a child, I take care of the bills, we both work full time. I don’t see this getting any better. Before we married, I told him if we were going to marry, I need a man/partner not another child (my previous husband loved his computer games more than me and our children). So, it makes me wonder maybe I had all of this really wrong. Maybe he lied to me about lots of things. I don’t doubt he loves me and he adores my kids. He gets more joy from my kids than he does his. I mean is the trade off to live like this to be with this man I love, my kids love him to death, my kids want to send the boys away and just live with my husband. I guess I am just so disappointed. I worked so hard, I thought everything through put my heart into it and dragged my kids into it and now I am ashamed that I have done this. I wanted better for my kids. I wanted better for all of us. How could I have got this so wrong I was being so careful to avoid this but here I am. I think I am losing hope and I am tired off holding my head up and putting one foot in front of the other and nothing improving. I have always strongly believed if you worked hard and always did the right thing everything will work out fine. I guess I was wrong.

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anwarrick's picture

So, I thought I might just wait it out until they move out but by reading the posts on here it still may not improve. Just unsure what to do...not ready to leave yet but I don't know if I can wait that long. Life was way easier and more enjoyable when it was just my kids and me.

canichangemyanswer's picture

I don't have any words of wisdom for you, but you are not alone in being careful choosing a mate just to find out he isn't what he seemed. One reason I told my mom I was marrying my H was because at the time I thought he was such a great dad. The guy I was dating seemed to have it all together in the parenting dept. After we were married, he either had a secret lobotomy or just couldn't keep up the charade any longer. Little did I know, the charade was more than just parenting, but that's for a whole other type of forum. You can only go forward, unfortunately, but you can teach others based on your own experiences. Trust me, my littles are already being trained on how to spot a liar and what to look for in a mate! For now, that's enough for me.

anwarrick's picture

Thank you, that is good advice. I will say this whole experience has exposed my children to things they up to now have not been around. They have learned volumes! In a weird way I think it will be good fro them in the long run - they now know things are not always as the seem and the that certain kinds of people lie and use others no matter what the situation is. My kids may be wiser to the ways of the world now.

Thank you for taking the time to comment!

AllySkoo's picture

Honestly? I think maybe you're one of the ones who can pull a Sally. (Check out her posts.) Take your kids, live in your own place with them, and date your husband until all the kids are out of the house. You don't have to split up with your husband - you just have to divorce his kids. And honestly, it sounds like the current living situation isn't entirely healthy for YOUR kids, and your job is to protect THEM. Once all the kids are adults and living on their own, you and DH can move back in together.

DaizyDuke's picture

If you can't afford to live together in one home, you certainly can't afford the expense of an additional monthly rent/mortgage payment. and I see DH getting pissed at this idea as from my take on this post, he leans on poster to help support all of his teenage kids that he gets no CS for, has a difficult time paying bills for and has an even more difficult time saying "no" to.

anwarrick's picture

Sally sounds great!
Funny, my father suggested that my boyfriend and I just date each other instead of getting married.
Which is ironic coming from him since he is on wife #6!
But, to spite that, turns out it was good advice!
Unfortunately, I didn't follow his advice.
I was in love, boyfriend was looking for a house and his kids were in crisis and me being the single mom in love with "sucker" stamped on my forehead, attempted to make everything better.
And I did, for him and his kids.
We married, I still love him, I finally got it that his kids will never want to be close to me or part of a family unit.
I have improved their life - they may not end up in jail after all.
My kids are wiser to the world now which is a blessing but still feel bad about it.
But all of that said the Sally option is very appealing to me, I guess time will tell.
They say everyone has a different point of no return. I haven't reached my yet but I am very close.

anwarrick's picture

Funny, we had a similar conversation.
My kids (whom are not perfect) but are caring, respectful people. They only ask for they 'have" to have because they know money is tight. If they needed a little time to spread their wings before the move out. I would be ok with it but they would be required to have a job and a plan.
His kids are sooo consuming they want want want and expect expect expect and lie and manipulate. I want them gone, I am drained. These boys are teenagers and are old enough to know what they are doing, I don't by this whole "they're teenagers they can't help but be disrespectful" mindset that is out there. I call bullsh*t on that. Certain types of people do what they can get away with, without regard for anyone else. My husband is evidently perfectly fine with his children treating me and him that way. I am not. I guess he is perfectly fine with them being the kind of person that lies and uses and doesn't think about anyone but themselves. So, that is what they will be as adults it will never change.
So, I say that to say this, I am ashamed that I am not the type of person to love all my kids birth and step the same. I tried really hard for a really looong time. But, I was shut down everytime, all they want from me is what I can physically give them as in things and money. So, my kids I would be willing to give a little time but his kids no. They will always be this way so why live with them any longer than I have to.

onstrike's picture

I feel your pain. I had a terribly abusive upbringing,married my 1st husband to escape. I was so young and vulnerable. He cheated on me twice,and left me for OW. I survived all of that,being so strong for bs10 and took my time dating. When I met dh, I quickly became aware of his daughter's behaviour issues. Before we married, I made sure to require dh to greatly improve his parenting style. His daughter could no longer run the home. We got married last summer and it is a living hell. Dh is inconsistent with his parenting and I have been desperate to get him to change. He doesn't want to. I think we aren't going to survive this. It is so heartbreaking and I feel horribly for bs10. He deserves stability! I am so sorry that you are dealing with all of this. It is so hard to feel like a failure. I don't think we stepmoms are asking for anything extraordinary,we want to be treated with respect and be our husbands priority. Is that so damn hard? They would rather divorce then improve??!

anwarrick's picture

You are absolutely right.
One silver lining that came out of this whole situation for me, actually two silver linings, first, my children and I have become very close, we have always had a good solid relationship, but it is much stronger now and they respect me more now, not sure why, but I am so grateful for that. The second, I have discovered I am stronger than I thought. If this marriage falls apart, I know I am still going to be just fine. Sadly, maybe happier. Don't get me wrong, I do love my husband, he treats my wonderfully and my kids he adores, but his kids may destroy all that. It really saddens me to say the very least. This could have been an awesome situation, but due to his lack of desire to "parent" his kids this may end sooner than later.

just.his.wife's picture

You have a few areas in there that are wrong turns.

Aside from divorce the best way to help "fix" your situation is to SEPARATE YOUR FINANCES and you and your DH pay a percentage of household bills based off number of full time people each of you have draining the assets.

So for you it is:
1(you full time)+0.5 (your son half time)+ 0.5 (your daughter half time)= 2 full time people

Your DH has:
1 (himself)+ 3(his kids)= 4 full time people

So, as an example, if your rent/mortgage, electric, water, cable, grocery bill (ANY common shared house expense) totals $2000.00 per month

$2000.00 divided by 6 (total full time people in the house) = 333.33 per person.

So your share of the bills is 666.66
Your husbands is 1333.32

You each pay your own car payment/ins/cc bills.
With your left over money, you take care of extras for you and your kids
with his left over money, he takes care of extras for him and his kids.

Decide WHO is paying the bills.
Honestly, I would make HIM do it, so if he is "short" he won't think you will cover it.
You give him your portion of the bill money, he pays the bills.
Done.

He does not ask you for a loan, you don't ask him.
Never do the two check books meet again.

DaizyDuke's picture

I agree with this!^^^

Perfect plan for the poster, but I see husband balking at having to decrease his kids standard of living. It would cause resentment and all the asinine arguments we see around here every day.

1. you just hate my kids
2. it's not the skids fault
3. we are married, we're supposed to be a "team" (as long as it benefits skids of course)

anwarrick's picture

You are right! It would be very difficult to split up everything now. I believe a lot of resentment will be built up. But, myself and my children would be better off. That is supposed to be my focus right? I have so failed at this.