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Bio-dad and Step-dad at his wits end... Any advice?

polrwht07's picture

First off, let me start off by saying I'm 31 years old, and I am the biological father to a two year old son who I absolutely cherish. My son is my entire world, and my #1 priority. Basically the day he was born he became my favorite person on the planet.

My son's mother and I split up almost two years ago, it was a bad marriage, but we made our son who we both love and hold as our top priority.

About a year and 3 months ago I met my girlfriend and she absolutely became the missing piece to my life. I fell in love with her really fast, and we've had kind of a crazy, whirl-wind romance since and it's been great... With only really 1 exception...

My g/f has two kids, the oldest is 8, and the youngest is 5. I get along really well with the older boy. He's really smart, and I mean smart. He carries really thoughtful, and intriguing conversations, he's considerate of other people's feelings, he gets really good grades, and just overall is a really good eight year old kid...

That brings us to the five year old. I don't like to use the word hate when I speak of him, I don't feel like I would have it in me to hate someone who is so young and is so connected to my g/f who I love so much, but I have a very intense dislike for this kid. When I met my g/f he was four years old, he was loud, out of control, he whined... And I don't mean like typical kid whining, you tell this kid to do anything that didn't involve running around like the tazmanian devil and causing destruction wherever he went, he would legitimately throw a fit.

We go to the grocery store and he throws a fit when his mom says she won't push the cart around that has the big car in the front of it so he can sit in it, so she decides to push the cart around with the big car attached to it so he can sit in it, ten feet in the store, he's bored of it and screaming because I, and she tell him he has to sit there until we're done shopping, and he would rather be up running around like a maniac.

He's selfish... Oh so selfish. He takes my son's toys, and plays with them, doesn't share them, to the point that I have to yell at him before he'll listen and give them back. This got to the point where he was taking the toys he wanted and hiding them so that my son couldn't play with them... MY SON'S TOYS! I could have beat him senseless for that. DISCLAIMER I HAVE NEVER EVER HIT EITHER OF MY STEPSONS, JUST TO BE CLEAR. He's incredibly inconsiderate, and only cares about what makes himself happy.

He. Does. Not. Listen. Repeat... He. Does. Not Listen. I give very simple instructions to all the kids. They don't vary either, it's all really easy stuff. For instance... I tell all three boys, keep your backs against the seat in the car, if there is an accident I don't want you to be bent over and get your head all jammed up in the front seat. It's not a problem for my two year old, he's in a car seat, the 8 year old sits in the car, carries conversation, and keeps himself up right, but for whatever reason the 5 year old has to be told multiple times (up to 6 in one short drive (less than 15 minutes)), it's basically to the point now where he gets no warnings, I just yell at him straight away when he isn't sitting with his back against the seat.

I know this is a long read already, but I have so many more examples of his awful behavior. I can bet that I was the first person in his life to ever discipline him. The first time I punished him I made him sit on the couch while the other boys played because he was being selfish. You would have thought I was shoving bamboo up his fingernails the way he freaked out.

That was over a year ago, since then I freely, and openly admit, he has improved. I don't know what caused the improvement, but at the same time I can say on occasions where we give him a little rope, he 9 times out of 10 hangs himself with it. For instance, Christmas day, he had his new toys down on the floor playing with them, my son comes up and starts messing with some of his things, he yells at him to go away and shoves him. I saw red, and it was really difficult to restrain myself from jumping on him, but that was a day where we kind of let him go on his own, just had him doing his own thing, gave him some room to do what he wanted, and on Christmas day of all days, he got himself grounded for pushing my son, and he's lucky it wasn't worse.

This past weekend, my gf was at work, and I was home with the boys, I was in the other room doing some things, and I heard him in the living room say, "can you smell my butt?" To his brother. In my house I don't tolerate inappropriate language from the boys, they all know it, and all have been made aware, but, I'm reasonable, and I know what he said wasn't terrible, but I still needed him to know that he was wrong. I walk out into the living room and I ask him, "what did you just say to your brother," and rather than tell me the truth he said, "I told him I loved him." So he lied... Kid just can't get out of his own way. I wasn't going to punish him for saying what he said, just remind him of the house rules, but he lied, so he got grounded again.

It's this type of thing that has basically got me to the point that I resent this kid more than I can explain. I love my gf, but feel my lack of a positive relationship with him will ruin it. I pride myself on being a good parent, and with the other two boys I'm very close and have a very loving relationship, especially my son, but the third one is the one peg that doesn't fit in any of the holes of our family, he is clearly the black sheep, and I cannot connect with him.

I know this is a very very very long read, and it barely scratches the surface, if anyone can lend any advice it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading!!!

fedupstep's picture

How is your GF's parenting? If there is one 'good' kid and one 'bad' kid, does she treat them differently? Is their bio-dad in the picture? Sometimes kids go through phases...you said yourself that he seems better lately. To save your sanity, you might have to let some of the annoying things go. Choice your battles. He should NEVER be putting his hands on your son in anger, but the 'smell my butt' comment is common for kids that age. Talk to your GF about your parenting styles. Make sure you are on the same page or else you are in for a bumpy ride no matter how much you love her.

polrwht07's picture

Thanks for the reply... My gf's parenting style is very odd to me. She's not very hands on with either boy. For instance when they're with us, I tend to be around the house, taking care of things, working in my office, and that's usually my weekend there, until my son is back, and then I'm very much engaged in what he is doing and I tend to be more in tune with what is going on around the house.

What's odd to me is my g/f is usually wherever I am. I always think to myself that it's strange that she isn't where they are, spending time with them, and I mean really making the most of the time they're with us... On the other end of that, when my son is at my home, I'm basically spending all the time with him I'm able to when I'm not at work. I soak up as much time with him as I can.

Inversely, my gf is a housewife and stays home with my son when he is there, and she's like the perfect step mom. She's very attenitive, she teaches my son things, she sends me pictures of him throughout the day... It's confusing to me that while her sons are with us, she's not bestowing that attention on them. Maybe she feels like she has to be super step mom because I am the bread winner in our family? I'm honestly not sure, but I would think she would want to maximize the time she has with her kids, but she really doesn't.

It's a very confusing situation, I wouldn't say she's a bad parent, she's a fantastic step parent, but she isn't a very "hands on" parent when her kids are around.

Aeron's picture

So your problem isn't the 5 year old. It's your girlfriend. If you are the first person in this kid's life to correct him, then your gf is doing a bad job of being a parent. She needs to step up and control her kid. It's strange she would have two so wildly disparate children, but stranger things have happened. Maybe it's guilt, maybe it's that he's her baby, I don't know.

But the deal is you aren't daddy to this kid so mom has to be the one to deal with this. As he gets older he will resent the ever loving day lights out of you if you are the disciplinarian and mom just stands back allowing whatever. That very well could put your hope of a blended family straight in the trash. Mom needs to be the lead on the discipline, have the heavier hand in assigning punishments.

You may also want to look at your type of punishment. Grounding a five year old sounds a little odd to me. What about time outs or removing the toys causing the problems? Little kids don't equate long punishments well with the actual behavior causing the problem. Make him apologize, lose tv for the night or dessert or something.

It's also possible that he may have something like ADD if his normal state is Tasmanian devil. Might want to get him checked.

polrwht07's picture

I've said since I met her he seems like he has traits pointing to ADD. Lack of focus, inability to follow direction, repeating behaviors over and over again that have been reinforced as bad... I've said it so many times.

As far as discipline, my gf is so hands off in that department. Rather than actually deal out any discipline, she'll just tell him to knock it off, or raise her voice, or tell them to be quiet. No consequences, no real anything. She spanks him every so often when he deserves it, because I won't because he isn't mine, but she doesn't do much in that regard.

AllySkoo's picture

Lol I have a 5 year old, and I know a LOT of 5 year olds. I'll tell you that your SS5 is normal, in terms of his sense of humor and boundary pushing.

The problem is actually your GF. The kid throws a fit and she... .REWARDS him for it?!? No no no - that is bad parenting.

So there's good news and bad news. The good news is that your SS5 is a normal kid and is perfectly capable of behaving better. (Not perfectly, of course, no kid is perfect. But MUCH better.)

The bad news is that in order to accomplish this, your GF is REALLY going to have to step up and be a parent. She's going to have to say "no" and mean it, and stick with it. She's going to have to have certain expectations of his behavior and actually implement consequences if the kid doesn't meet those expectations. I see that YOU are doing that (yay, you!), but Mom absolutely has to do it too. Because if Mom keeps giving in to tantrums and not actually parenting her kid, that poor kid is doomed. She's going to ruin him, and likely your relationship in the process. Read some of the threads around here on out of control teens - that's where you're headed if Mom doesn't knock off rewarding poor behavior.

polrwht07's picture

Thank all of you for the information. It seems like for the most part you all have the same response... I'm going to have to sit my g/f down and have a very difficult conversation... Now I need to find a forum that tells me how to tell my g/f she's not a great parent and needs to step up lol.

AllySkoo's picture

Well geez... don't put it like THAT! Lol

Honestly, your best bet is to take the approach "Hon, I'm worried about SS5. He's a great kid and he seems to be having some trouble controlling his emotions, like when he throws tantrums just because you say 'no' to something. I really want to help, what can I do?" Make it about HELPING her and she'll be much more receptive to it.

I'll tell you, NOTHING shuts me down faster than when my DH (who's BS5's father) starts a conversation with "Well YOU need to XYZ....", or tries to "fix" something by giving me more work to do. Conversations that are more like, "What can WE do, how can I help, what do you think" work MUCH better. Smile

polrwht07's picture

LOL, right, well my reply was meant more as a joke, but I get it, I have to figure out how to approach the subject best.

luchay's picture

oooh ooooh ooooh - I think that's a brilliant Idea and could be the exact way to get her on board OP!!

Sit her down and tell her (now remember - you WANT her to do this, so a bit of subtle work to get the desired outcome ok?)

So, tell her - now that YOUR BS is getting older and entering the terrible twos, and with her two boys in the mix as well you are concerned that you both need to do some work on being on the same page regarding parenting all these boys or pretty soon your home is going to become out of control.

So you would like the TWO OF YOU to attend a parenting class together, so that you can both learn and understand the best ways to deal with raising all these boys in a blended family. You love her and her boys very much and you are committed to making this the best family you can, so you think it would be really helpful if you could both as parents learn together so that you can come up with a parenting plan for your home that you are both prepared to follow.

Something like that anyway. Takes the onus off "you are a shit parent and YOU need to learn better LOL)

kathc's picture

I didn't need to get past the shopping cart but I did. It's your girlfriend's fault. Yeah, the perfect woman who you love oh so much. She's giving in to the kid and not disciplining him because it's easier for her. She created the monster and she's encouraging it to get worse.

polrwht07's picture

I full admit my wrong in this situation. I have a short temper, like my father before me and his father before him, I come by it naturally but that doesn't mean it's excusable. That part I have to work on for me. As far as my son goes, I am protective over him, but not to the point that he's wearing a helmet and shin guards around. I just really love him, and have since the day he was born. That doesn't mean I don't give him the proper measure of discipline, and set expectations that are normal for his age.

There is so much more I could say about my interactions with my g/f's youngest, but I didn't want to type a book on here. I appreciate your feedback, and I probably could use to exercise more patience.

Indigo's picture

You've got a point on possible explanation for both boys --- trying for attention. The "why" is the question.

Here's an idea. I think that we all know women, friends or BM's or coworkers, who work really hard to "catch" the guy. You know what I'm talking about ... they drop the girlfriends and family when they have a new boyfriend. Send the kids to the grandparents or the other parent more. They tend to focus all their attention on the "new" guy.

Maybe she is always with the OP because she's in that "catch 'em" phase. Her kids would obviously take a backseat. His child whom he adores, would get attention since she is trying to prove her love/parenting skills. Or, as another poster pointed out perhaps the GF really only likes the toddlers.

Tossing it out there. Y'all might disagree, but there are women (and men) who do this stuff.

Evil stepmonster's picture

Yall have different parenting styles. Doesn't mean you are right and she is wrong, just means you two are different. She absolutely has to be the one to take care of SS5's attitude.
The more you try to force your parenting style on her kid the more that kid will grow to resent you. There's been days when I've wanted to throat punch my SD and one of my SS's, but I don't. You constantly yelling at the kid probably has something to do with his acting out. Believe me, I understand the wanting to yell and smack but you have to understand that he isn't yours to yell at or smack.
How would you like it if you found out your sons SP was yelling at him?
You need to have a talk with your gf away from the kids and explain that he is doing this...and you want her to step up and correct his behavior. She has to be the one do it.
I've yelled at my SD two or threes times, and each time my DH acts like I punched him in the junk for no reason. If I value my relationship with my DH, I can't yell at his kids no matter how dispicable they are. So, I have to get up and leave the room, or the house. Just ignore them. I make sure he does it all with his kids because I'm tired of dealing with it.

onthefence2's picture

Lots of good advice above. The only thing I have to suggest is to get the 5 year old back in a 5-point harness seat. My kids were in them until about age 7. They are actually more comfortable because they fit a child better, even though no kid really likes the restraint. One thing that drives me batty is parents trying to push their kids out of appropriate seating in the car because they are "sooooo grown up..." They are putting them in danger.

misSTEP's picture

I know that my own DH was the "trouble maker" child in their family. Turned out that probably 80% of the behaviors that drove his parents crazy (and his dad to beat the ever loving daylights out of him on a regular basis) were probably because he has ADHD. He never got diagnosed until he was an adult because he did relatively well in school, besides being a major distraction to other students.

He still has a lot of anger inside for how he was treated as a child.

Maybe suggest that you both attend a parenting class or counseling to help solidify how to deal with all the children. You cannot have two that are let do what they want and one with rules without the one getting very resentful over time. You need to have a unified front and that includes parenting.

onthefence2's picture

The French have WAY less "ADHD" diagnoses due to the difference in approach. They believe in a cause/effect rather than biological problem. They search for what's causing the instability in the child's life and often it's a family in turmoil and little structure, etc. and they help the parents improve the situation. We have it backwards. We have so many parents that have no clue what they're doing and we want to drug the kids to quiet the "problem."

moeilijk's picture

Does it change your attitude if you think these behaviour problems are more about parenting and the need for structure than they are about the kid being bad?

I *never* yell at my kid. Well, I have when she goes to do something dangerous, I need to catch her attention. But I don't yell in anger AT her.

It's ok to be angry, it's how you express it. Like another poster said, you are a HUGE example to these kids, your own included, so think carefully of the role model you want to be.

Another poster suggested finding ways to prevent the behaviour. If you need the 5 yo to be safe in the car and he's not able to do it on his own, then you create the situation where it's not up to the 5 yo. Back to the 5 pt harness. Same with the toys - you draw a line somewhere about what's ok and what's not. And you decide what the consequences are.

You tell the kid where the line is and you enact the same consequences every time. It's really very boring, because the kid is going to test you 500 times in the exact same way. Something about being a kid - they love the safety of knowing where the boundaries are. I guess they get a kick out of going right up to the edge and putting one toe over every day... and ever single time getting put in time out!

A bonus though is that your patience won't wear so thin. You'll be confident with what you expect and confident with the consequences, so no more negotiating or yelling or any of it.

As you go along, you'll get better at estimating what expectations are reasonable for your kid, and what consequences you're comfortable with in what situations.

As an example, my kid is 1 year old and learning to eat with a spoon. She's pretty good at it, but sometimes she waves that spoon around. First she hears "No, spoon goes in your mouth." If she keeps doing it then I ask, "Are you finished?" and I put my hand over hers to direct her to put it down or in her mouth. If she puts up a fuss, I remind her "Spoon goes in your mouth" and do a spoonful with my hand over hers. If the fuss continues, back to "Are you finished?" and I take the food away. I keep it pleasant and smiley, but it's clear what behaviour is expected and what the consequences are. She can have other food that she can eat herself, just not food that she needs a spoon for.

While eating, she'll sometimes spit a mouthful back out. I say, "No" and maintain disappointed eye contact. Then try again. If it happens again, that part of the meal is over.

Sometimes she'll start blowing raspberries/using her spoon like a toothbrush. This I ignore. I figure I can't address everything at once!

imtheasian1's picture

Man, you're describing what my SD used to be and how our situation was.

I first came into the picture when she was 3, almost 4. Very sweet kid, to an extent. Her vocabulary was lacking. And by lacking, I mean her sentences were "Where us are going at?" and her words were almost undecipherable ("star" was always "dar"). She had no manners whatsoever. To DH, this was normal kid behavior. But then I came into the picture with my 2 girls (ages 2 and 1 at the time). Even my 1 year old could say a recognizable "thank you" and "please". DH was blown away. He asked, begged me even, to help him get his daughter that way, and I agreed. But here's the thing: he wanted me to help without him having to change things around. He would literally make her 5 different dinners in one night because she would say something was icky and refuse to eat. He would undermine me as an authoritative figure. He would constantly make excuses for her behavior. Finally, I had enough after an incident with her hurting my kids, and I told him such. He said it was just her being a kid, put her on our bed for a "time out" without explaining it to her, and told me I was overreacting. HUGE mistake. I walked. Luckily, it was the check he needed, and things shaped up really quickly after that. Now, it was rocky, and that first time daddy told his little girl "no", you would've thought Hell was uprising. But now, at 8 years old, my SD is an amazing little girl that everyone is so impressed by. She's smart, polite, friendly, caring, and getting office notes from school about how amazing she is. The only different thing we did? Get on the same parenting page.

ADHD or ADD could potentially be a reason. However, I wouldn't give up on being consistent and united in parenting "rules". You can't begin to imagine the difference it can make. It's hard work, and some nights you scream into a pillow until your face is blue. You'll want to give up, because the kid will test you. But the future is SO worth it.

I don't think the kid is the big issue here. I think it's differences in parenting and lack of consistency.