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Modernworld1011's picture

My husband ex wrote him a letter asking that he help pay for a 20,000 sports program. Neither my spouse nor his ex can afford this. He makes about 75k a year and she makes 50k. They both have no savings and another child as well to afford. This child that the mother is proposing the program for is not a gifted athlete. His mother thinks this will be good for his "self-esteem." There will be no such program or gift for the other child. (Yes she makes no bones about playing favorites) I know she will work my husband's guilt which is immense.

I know about the letter because we were outside at a party and he gave me his jacket. I put my hands in the pockets to keep warm and the letter was there. It bothers me that no mention has been made of this. He is not being quiet because he is dismissive of the request because he always gets guilty about not being able to just write a check and do these types of things.

She wrote this letter almost two weeks ago, and he has not yet mentioned it to me. Do I confront him about it or let it go? It bothers me deeply that he has yet to share this with me.

Modernworld1011's picture

I agree with most of what you write, but I think it really was an accident... Exactly, if I mention it, I can be accused of snooping, which I really wasn't but someone could say "well even though you saw the letter you should not have read it" but should spouses really keep requests like that from each other.... I think maybe I will talk about it generally in the guise of what there is money for with regard to special programs and such because we do already budget for them for both children.

It bothers me that he is hiding this from me because I know he has not forgotten it!

Thank you for your words of wisdom!

Modernworld1011's picture

I agree, I don't think he remembered it was in there. No, it is not that I think he is a sneak, but I know sure as the sun sets, he has been wandering around feeling wracked with guilt that he cannot do this. There has been a tension to him that is more pronounced than usual, and I think this probably is it. What worries me is that he gets too into his head and creates these bizarre realities where he is a loser parent, and should be able to afford such whims. The longer he stays in his head the more irrational he becomes.

He does not have that kind of money to give. He will though try to figure out some way to swing it probably over monthly payments. He was just talking about trying to find cheaper health insurance, so my guess is he will try to reduce expenses to "find" the money. This is the problem, he has no retirement savings, and he is already wracked with guilt that he does not have money for both kids college saved. He believes a good parent "pays for whatever education their child wants." Sigh! So, he has always destroyed his finances for their tastes even when they are way beyond budgets.

It makes me sad for the other child who is kind to get pushed aside because his brother needs "different and special" things. The kind kids always seem to get kicked, so the bratty kids can be cosseted.

Yes, the fact that this money, if found, should be at least towards college for them both rather than a sports program for just one. It makes me crazy though that this 60 year old man ignores retirement. That is truly where found money should go at this point.

What scares me is that the more he does not speak about this the more he will convince himself he must do this. It also hurts that he is hiding this from me. I know it is because he knows I will be the voice of reason and say "sweetheart what about his brother and what about the debt you and his mother already have???"

Thank you for your wise words, you always have such good advice, and your picture makes me smile no matter how upset I am! Thank you!

TobinNZ's picture

Don't mention the letter, but ask him what's wrong. Tell him you think he may depressed or withdrawn and you're worried. Hopefully he comes clean.

He wouldn't make a $20,000 decision without you, would he?

Modernworld1011's picture

Thank you for your wise ideas! I have tried, but he is not divulging. He does look down and he does seem preoccupied, but he claims it's just the "day to day" stuff.

I worry that the reason he is saying nothing is because the is going to try to find a way to finance this thing, and he knows he should not and cannot afford it but wants to do it anyway!

Modernworld1011's picture

Words I live by, but unfortunately my spouse and his ex have always lived beyond their means where their kids are concerned. I keep my money separate because of this, and that is how I sleep at night. True words, thank you!

Modernworld1011's picture

Well only if it is in my name, I think, correct? Goodness, I hope as I have kept all of my finances separate from his.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Hmmm. I read your other thread. In that one I thought you heard the kids talking about the letter but had not seen it yourself. If that's the case, it's perfectly reasonable to let him know you heard them talking about it. My DH would EXPECT me to bring up some data I overheard from the kids. There's no snooping or trapping involved in this scenario.

And for the love of mike convince your husband that his kids will not remember much about the sports camp by the time they are 23 but, at his age, by the time they are 30 they will be wracked with constant worry about how to support dad if he doesn't stop spending and start planning for his retirement NOW!

Modernworld1011's picture

There are two programs in which applications apparently were made, the one that the kids were discussing was not the name of the program on the letter. The letter was an acceptance letter with a bill from program where he was actually accepted along with a handwritten note from the ex asking him to find a way to make it happen because he is special and needs it to happen. Who knows there might be another letter hanging around that he's in the other one too! I left the letter finding out because the prior post was already so lengthy. I wanted here specifically the male perspective or male familiar perspective on confronting or not confronting the tangible item. My apologies if I caused confusion!

I am glad your husband would want you to bring up things that were overheard, mine would jump to protecting the privacy of his kids and then maybe ask questions. Then it would be well "maybe you overheard incorrectly "or "maybe they knew you were listening and said it just to catch you eavesdropping!"

Money is such a tense subject for him and he cannot behave rationally.

Goodness yes, I remind him all the time about not wanting to be a burden to the kids because nothing is saved and then he's going to them needing handouts!

TobinNZ's picture

Whoooooa, she applied for him ,he's accepted and there is a bill?
Is there a 50% fee penalty or anything if he pulls out at its stage? Can he say no?

Either way, if your husband wasn't awAre or included in the decision then he doesn't have to pay. A judge would back me up on that.
Not that your poor husband seems to have any balls to say no, sorry Sad

Modernworld1011's picture

That's the problem, the lack of backbone. She roped him into things when she was married. I know now that they are long since divorced, she cannot sign for him.

I can hear him now, "Yes I know that a court would say I am not obligated, but what would my child feel?" Yes, it is that bad!

It bothers me that he did not share the letter with me. I feel it is dishonest. I think it sets a bad standard, and it leads me to wonder what else has been not shared.

Thank you for your kind support and words! Sigh!

Rags's picture

No set up IMHO. As a man I can't tell you what is in any of my suit jacket pockets. My slacks pockets I can tell you exactly what is in them. The only time I figure out what is in my jackets is when I check the pockets before I send them to the cleaners.

No issues IMHO. Your DH understands clearly that he will not pay $20K for a program with no value that more importantly he understands he cannot afford.

I would neither confront nor ignore this. I would just tell him that when you put your hands in his jacket pocket when he gave you his jacket, as a gentleman would for his chilly wife, you found the letter about the Skids sports camp and the note that BM wrote trying to guilt him in to paying for it. Then just discuss it.

IMHO of course.

Modernworld1011's picture

I agree with you utterly, and thank you for sharing your thoughts! I don't think he meant for me to see it because I don't think he remembered it was there.

Am I wrong to feel bothered by the fact that he did not tell me about something that I know preoccupies and troubles him? It's not so much that he feels his child need this program, but he does feel like a loser for not being able to just give his child something like this, and then he dreads the inevitable assault that comes from the ex. So, I know he has been anxious, so I do not understand why he did not say something to me. I would never yell or belittle, but I would remind him of the reality of finances, his other child and that money already goes to activities that are for them.

He will become defensive that I read it. He is very particular about respecting other people's things and not going through them and touching them. His mom was very intrusive and it always irked him So, his first instinct will be "you read a letter addressed only to me!" Perhaps I should have just asked him about it before opening it, but as the envelope was already opened, I just looked. Perhaps my fault. I guess I could just speak generally, and make my point that we are already finically committed to the hilt and already not saving enough, given his age.

It bothers me that he did not share.... Is that crazy?

Thank you for for your most helpful and reasoned thoughts!

Modernworld1011's picture

Thank you for replying! Unfortunatley, I have tried to give him opportunity to unburden himself and he is not budging. I asked him if all was well, and he said "yes just the usual day to day stresses", and I replied "well the kids are all fine, we have enough for all that we need and so we are all lucky."

I feel like he is trying to figure out how to fund without telling me... why else keep quiet about it.

It hurts. I have never done anything to show him he cannot talk to me about things, never yelled or became sarcastic or holier than thou....

Rags's picture

I agree that he may not have wanted to discuss it or for you to see it. You are his wife and he knows it will aggravate you. My bride would occasionally do the same until an issue built to a level where she wanted my support and opinion.

My man gut still says it was a brain fart on his part and not a calculated attempt to hide it or to set you up.

Modernworld1011's picture

I don't know. There was no comment about sharing, so I would guess this will be another one of her "be a man and support your children E-Mail and text rants." Sadly he still buys into her crap. I build him up, and one word from her questioning his paternal abilities sends him back to square one!

Modernworld1011's picture

"good grapes" I love it! It is not that I feel I cannot ask him. It bothers me that he has said nothing. I know this stuff freaks him out and preoccupies him, and we have had many long talks and planning sessions with the finances to allow room for money in equal amounts for both children to have activities. When he is rational he knows this. These letters make him irrational, reactive and guilty. So, I think he knows there is no room for this, and yet he thinks he somehow has to do it.

It's the hiding that bothers because I know he has not forgotten this. The letter was a couple of weeks old when i found it, so he has been keeping this to himself for weeks.

I have looked within and i can say that I have never bitten his head off when he has come to me with this stiff before, but I have been realistic asking where he proposes to find money that he not available. I think he wants to avoid me being rational, so he can stay in his worry and guilt.

Not liking the hiding and not liking that he still can be so financially foolish.

Thanks for your thoughts about being straight up in his space about it, I am entitled to do so as it is future retirement savings that will be spent on boosting the "self esteem" of a kid who has a very strong sense of self, but also a strong sense of entitlement and I want what I want! Smiles to you!

Easylikesundaymornin's picture

I'd place the letter in open display ~ say on the fridge so he can't miss it. And when he takes it ~ I'd ask him what's that "Dear Abby" letter all about.