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SOs daughters ruining our relationship

cak0920's picture

I've been dating my SO for 18 months. When we met, he was in the process of finalizing his divorce and had been legally separated for 1.5 years. He assured me both he and his daughters were ready for him to start dating.

We took it slowly and I didn't meet them until almost a year in. Our interactions were awkward, but polite until the past six months. They now display open hostility towards me, to the point where I no longer want to be around them at all. I've spoken to him, and oh won't talk to them for fear of upsetting them.

His Disney Dad parenting has also caused friction. Those girls have zero chores or responsibilities around the house, he gives the money for whatever they want, and all they do is watch videos and go out with friends. Their house is a disaster zone. I've tried to suggest ways for them to help out around the house and ease the burden on him, but I get yelled at and told I'm judging his parenting skills when I do

He has majority custody, so they're there 22 days out of the month. There's little chance for us to spend one on one time alone, sine even when they're technically supposed to be with their mom, they're not.

We fight about issues related to them at least every 3-4 weeks and this pattern isn't improving.

How do I get through to him that a) those girls run the house and he's not doing them any favors and b) I'm not putting up with their sh*t any longer?

It just seems hopeless, since he's so protective of them and gets so defensive

TASHA1983's picture

Doesn't sound petty at all! Your child should be able to feel special and be treated special too! Nothing would burn my ass more than a friggin skid and their sports schedule being the determining factor of my child's special day...heads would roll...I am BEYOND fed up with a world that resolves around poor little skids...all the parents are doing is creating rotten, selfish, entitled monsters that the rest of us will have to deal with!

The day my DH even tries to let his turd ruin our plans etc will be the day they can both have each other bc I will be OUT!!! No child is running MY life!!!

Puppy's picture

Please don't make the mistake I did and assume that "things will get better".

I fell in love with a man who had 3 children (one adult daughter from his first wife - this daughter, now a grown woman I am close to) and two young boys who are now adults and also wonderful to me.

The boys lived with us for a small time but they were raised primarily by their grandmother due to their father being away at work overseas. I only married my husband after the children were raised. Then - just prior to our marriage - he had a brief relationship with a woman who bore him a daughter.

All three of the older children are lovely, kind and respectful to me and always have been, even as children and teens. I spend time with them both with and without my husband.

And then there is the 4th child who will be entering HS in a year. Her mother abandoned her at a young age and so I have always been mindful of this (I can only imagine how awful it must feel to her).

She was a preschooler when we married and for the first 6 years or so we were very close. But once she reached her teen years, everything in the house changed.

My husband started ignoring me completely and making her the princess. When we go out to eat, they move their seating or plates to be next to her. She sits on his lap (yes, at her age). He runs her bathwater. She has never - not once - done any chores because he will not allow it (he will actually pick up her dirty clothes from the floor each night after her bath). He buys her thousands of dollars worth of clothing and gives her excessive amounts of money yet when he started doing this, chose to stop supporting me. (I have my own income but his is $75,000 a year more than mine, so this is a little disconcerting, to say the least, especially because he asked me to retire early to care for her since she was so little, and live off my savings and early retirement.)

I never complain and just take care of my own bills, but still it's ridiculous how my SD and husband regard money and family. For example, when we go grocery shopping, my SD gets cash to buy groceries for her and her dad, and on one occasion when I put a $2 item in her line, she rudely said, "My dad gives me money for us! You buy your own food!" My mouth just dropped open in shock (she was 13 at the time) but now this is a regular thing. When I tried to discipline her for this very inappropriate behavior, my husband instead chose to take sides and berated me instead of correcting her.

On her 13th birthday, SHE dictated what kind of car she wanted him to buy (he was in the market for a new car), insisting that it becomes hers when she turns 16, and she tells us we can't eat in the car because it's hers. I had absolutely no say in the choice of family vehicle; they went car-shopping together.

Recently she told me that my husband told her that our house was hers and that she would inherit it when he dies. Not only is this untrue (we are jointly on the deed) but it's incredibly offensive. Yet when I asked my husband about it, he confirmed he had said this. I told my SD that we jointly owned the house; that I had put a lot of money into it; and that if her father died first, I would leave it to all 4 of my stepchildren when I die. She then responded with her current mantra of "You're not family to me." And then I wondered: why am I even justifying to a child that I'm on the deed, etc.?

I know she hurts because her mother (who has abandoned all of her children by four different men - she is a drug addict) has never even bothered to send her a birthday card. I know this child is emotionally fragile, and she has been in counseling, at my suggestion, where she has been diagnosed as severely depressed for feeling angry at her mother abandoning her all those years ago. My guess is that she acts this way in order to try to regain some kind of control in her life.

But I am angry at my husband for encouraging her rude insulting behavior. She likes to tell me that I'm stupid and mocks me in front of her father. This so disturbed my stepsons that they've gotten angry and told her to start respecting me because they love me and that (even though they're grown) I'm their stepmom too. If I try to correct her, my husband instead corrects ME and this results in more power on her part. She knows she runs the show. I suspect, too, that he uses her as a tool against me, and this confuses me because we previously had a strong marriage.

He also discusses very adult things with her (such as telling her that his former wife cheated on him, which is true but none of a child's business) and uses her as an emotional crutch.

I've been in counseling for the past 18 months over this (my husband refuses to go because he likes things the way they are). My therapist agrees that this is not normal teenage acting out (after all, the other children never did it, but, as I said, their earlier lives were not so traumatic) and that my husband's relationship with my SD is a kind of "emotional incest".

I, too, kept thinking that if I could just wait until she's 18 and moves out, that maybe then I could try to convince my husband to go to counseling with me to repair our marriage. But today he announced that he plans on having her live in the house all through college and until she marries. And I'm betting he will, because I have no say in this marriage or this home any longer. There is nothing sexually strange (he acknowledges her as his daughter) but emotionally, he is crippling her and hurting me. He sets no boundaries and she is now more the wife (except for sexually) than I am. She decides where we eat out, and sometimes they will just take off together, without informing me, to eat out or go to a movie. My husband was NEVER this way with the other children. They were expected to get jobs in high school, do chores, and obey adult figures, and respect me as an equal ADULT partner in the home. And they all turned out great.

I have tried and tried to make my husband understand that he is creating a spoiled, insecure teen who will have a hard time when she DOES move out and get a job in a few years because she gets almost everything she wants all the time and has zero responsibilities (except in school). She's talked him into 4 different pets and he takes care of all them (he cleans the litter box, etc.)so she doesn't even have responsibility in this manner, either. She gets every new toy (IPhone, Ipad, and laptop) and her closets are littered with clothing with the price tags still on them.

My advice to anyone contemplating marrying a man with children: agree BEFORE your marriage what the parameters will be, because afterwards you will struggle to change what you don't like. I love all of my stepkids and am heartbroken to have lost this relationship with her, but even more heartbroken to know that she will probably never mature in a relationship with a boy or man as she ages as long as she is Daddy's Girl.

I honestly don't think my marriage will outlast their cozy little club where they both make it clear that I have no place in the home or the marriage. It is hurtful to me and hurtful to my other stepchildren who observe this. No parent or step-parent should compete with a child for power or love. The family unit should set boundaries so that the father's love for his child is separate from his love for his wife, both unconditional and not in competition.

Believe me - the chances of it getting better are pretty slim, my therapist says, and I am beginning (sadly) to believe this.

TASHA1983's picture

In this case...mere words will not work, action needs to be taken...is it possible for you to pack some things and go somewhere for a little while so he can SEE AND FEEL what life would be like without you? If he actually gives a damn about you and your relationship he will want to change and be open to hearing what you have to say to make things better/manageable for all parties but if he doesn't even bother to do that much then at least you will KNOW where you stand with him and in his life...

Keep us posted! I hope everything works out...trust me I totally understand...SKIDS SUCKKKKKK :sick:

cak0920's picture

The girls are 18 and 16. No, we don't live together..thank God. It's bad enough as it is. I can't imagine living there. How sad is it that I can't even imagine a future with him where that's possible and enjoyable?

robin333's picture

Has the 18 year old finished with HS? Any plans/discussions about when she will launch?

Your statement that you can't imagine living there speaks volumes. Honestly, since you don't live there, I would not be available when he has the girls. Don't let SO take you or your time for granted.

I don't know how old you are, but I would seriously consider if you want to be with this man as your life partner.

cak0920's picture

The 18 year old finishes HS in June. My fear is that she doesn't have the skills to launch...that she'll go off to college (maybe) and be back at home after a semester. m=More likely, she'll go locally and continue to live at home where Daddy can do her laundry and cater to her every whim.

I'm 44 and am having serious doubts about whether or not we can be life partners, too. Those girls will always have him wrapped around their fingers and it's maddening and nauseating.

cak0920's picture

I fear you're correct. He told me that, when he's asked the older daughter in the past to even so much as help with dinner dishes, she's pitched a major fit. Her reason is she feels that's him transferring the BMs duties down to her, and then they have a big fight...so he's just stopped asking her to do anything at all around the house. And since he doesn't ask the older girl, he can't ask the younger. :?

PT jobs? These kids have never worked a day in their lives.

The whole situation is maddening and so different from how I was raised. in my house growing up, everyone pitched in.

robin333's picture

We are about the same age. There are lots of men out there that will care about your feelings and what your standards are.

cak0920's picture

We don't live together...this would have sent me over the edge if we did. I'm very much a neat freak, so the disaster zone that is their house really does raise my anxiety level. As I said above, I can't even imagine a future where we all live together and it's peaceful and enjoyable (and neat!)

I may not have a lot, but I'm proud of what I do have and I take care of my house and things. They really don't seem to share that value

cak0920's picture

I've told him that I am no longer comfortable being around his kids due to how they have treated me in the past...I've also told him that means I don't go to his house unless I an be assured they won't be there.

It didn't go over very well. He said he's not sure he can be OK with that. What about the fact that I'm not OK with things??

still learning's picture

Seriously, even when/if they "launch" there will always be issues if this is the way daddy parents. Then there's moving back in with daddy, then moving their families in, never ending support, you always coming last...

hereiam's picture

I understand not meeting his kids right away but this is why a year is too long. You probably had already fallen for him before you realized what a crappy parent he is and what crappy kids he has.

It doesn't sound like he is open to suggestions, wants to change anything, or is too concerned about about your concerns.

Personally, I would start dating others. Not behind his back, of course, but you have serious doubts about being able to be life partners with him, why waste your time? He is not going to change; he has made that pretty clear.

cak0920's picture

And it was a battle to get to meet them then! I almost had to give an ultimatum (big red flag, I know). Yes, by the time I met the kids and saw what a crappy parent he is, it was too late.

hereiam's picture

No, it won't be easy and it will hurt but it will hurt more to live the rest of your life like this. The longer you go on like this, the harder it will be to walk away; eighteen months compared to years.

Some have lived your life for 10, 20, even 30 years, with the step kids always running the show and the step parent always thinking things will change. They don't.

twoviewpoints's picture

So you'd rather just be unhappy for x amount of years than have a bit of a broken heartache for a short time? Ok. Then time to let reality sink in. This is who he is. This is how he and his girls like living and doing things in their home.... it is what it is.

From the timeline you gave, you've disapproved from the moment you met these girls (been dating 18months, met girls a year in, last six months blah blah). At least one of the girls won't be going anywhere for at least two years. She lives there 22plus days a month. Both girls have been raised to be exactly who they are ad how they act by both parents (first separated 3yrs ago) and then the remaining last few basically 75% solely by your BF.

Just what is it you think you're going to be able to change? Your neat freak thing is your way, not their accepted way. Your belief of household chores division among household members are your beliefs, not theirs. You can't change three people who don't view themselves of having a problem.

cak0920's picture

"You can't change three people who don't view themselves of having a problem."...you're right...I can't. And I've been beating my head against a wall trying to for too long. Not worth it.

cak0920's picture

And it was a battle to get to meet them then! I almost had to give an ultimatum (big red flag, I know). Yes, by the time I met the kids and saw what a crappy parent he is, it was too late.

heartbrokenbadger's picture

honey, run, don't walk away. your post is the life I just lived for 11 years. i am now in divorce court because his 23 year old "failure to launch" daughter forced him to choose between us. when the kids call the shots and daddy won't "parent" and wants to be friends rather than do the dirty work for fear of upsetting them, you are F'ed.

do NOT settle for second place in someone's life. i did. it was what was required to be in this man's life. in the end, it will drive you bat-poop-crazy.

cak0920's picture

I think you've nailed it...I am f*cked and there's no fixing this. Breaking up is going to hurt, but I can't imagine living this life for decades. So sorry you've ended up in divorce court as a result of your SD...be strong and know it will get better!

cak0920's picture

Well...update. We had a talk over the weekend about all of the issues I posted about here (and then some). It really didn't go so well and basically ended up in another fight. We were going to take a few days apart to figure out what our next steps were, but this morning, he broke up with me...by e-mail...while I was at work.

What a stand up guy.

robin333's picture

Hugs, I'm sorry that you are hurting. I think SO is a jerk. Break up via email is pretty da*n cowardly and immature.

You sound like you have your stuff together. There are men out there that will treat you right. Don't settle for anything less.

Stepped in what momma's picture

Him breaking up with you is the best thing ever!
Just more proof in the pudding he is an idiot.

Run for the hills from this guy and NEVER look back. Rest easy knowing that you don't even have to be there every day to know what is going on, I am positive 2 years from now it will be the same shit in that household as it is right now.