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I almost kicked my husband out, because I am tired of him putting his "ex life" above us

lcooper's picture

Hi. I guess this is a pretty extreme first entry, but I just found the site today. I just got married, less than two months ago, but have been living with my husband for over three years. I have one child from a previous marriage that we have been raising together, and he has two from a previous marriage that visit every other weekend. From the beginning, it has been evident that my hubbie had a domineering ex wife, and that he was still controlled by her in a lot of ways. But time after time, we worked through each situation, I gave him the benefit of the doubt basically, and we stayed together. Recently, I found out I am pregnant with twins, a major stress in and of itself, but the news sent his ex into a tailspin. She has tried extra hard to make things difficult for us. Her usual request is more money, though my husband already gives her 50% more each week than is ordered by the court, and approximately two times what he contributes to our own household. He also gives her a significant amount of mindshare, listening to her tirades about the kids, money etc... hours on end each week, knowing how unreasonable she is. Further, I have been supporting him all this time, as the majority of his money goes to her, but now that I am expecting twins, I am not sure I can continue to do so. I have told him that he needs to reprioritize now, to quit giving her extra money, and to focus on me and the twins on the way. He does not feel that he has been making me play second fiddle to her, he just can't see it. And I can't take it anymmore, not now that I am carrying his children. His ex is now married to a millionaire, I am not exagerating, he has millions and she still nickles and dimes my husband, who makes less than $30,000 a year, to death. I want him to take her to court to have child support reduced, but he thinks he is doing the right thing. I almost kicked him out to show him that if he doesn't prioritize us, he will be alone and destitute. But I ended up letting him sleep on the counc. Did I do the right thing here? Should I have followed through?

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shandee's picture

First off I am an ex wife and a new wife so i recieve child support and i see it go out of my household. This is always a really tough thing. I like to think I am fair about it all. I have 4 kids of my own, 2 teenagers from my first marriage & 2 kids under 10 from an 8 year relationship. I have NEVER taken either dad back to court for child support... I have been divorced from my 1st husband for 10 years. His income is 3x what mine is but he helps out in other ways. My current husband has 1 child. he was ordered to pay over $600 a mo for 1 child!!! His ex was going to school. So after he put her through college and dental hygiene school she refused to give up financial records so my husband continued to pay outrageous cs even though he was making a third of what she made. Doesn't seem fair huh? So the bad news for you is...... If you have your child support modified I don't believe they count the exs new husbands income. The good news is since you are expecting and your husband is responsible for 2 more children his child support could go down!!! Prolly depends on your state but thats how it is where I live. She is prolly making him feel like less of a dad to make him pay more child support, thats what my husbands ex does!! She tells him how worthless he is cause he is trying to get cs modified to what it should be. Don't let her drag you down cause thats exactly what she wants. The best thing we ever did was start going to church and pray! Do you recieve cs for your child?

lcooper's picture

I do receive child support for my child. My ex and I have a great relationship. He makes about 6x what myself and husband make, and he is very fair. He and my husband are actually good friends, never a problem on that end. As for my hubby's ex, I am not sure how the income would be viewed. She quit her job when she married this guy, and went to work for him as he owns his own company. So she probably doesn't receive a paycheck, but she is technically an employee of his company. Any idea how that would be considered? My hubby pays $1200 a month for two kids, he only makes about $2200 a month. I just don't see how that can be right.

c-k's picture

Hi, I hate to hear what you are going through. Not only should it not be this way...you have 2 precious gifts growing inside of you that don't need the stress...let alone your body,mind,soul. My husband (married July 28) and I have a similar situation with the EX. She is not happy that we are in love and things are great. She does what she can to annoy us and counts pennies. It's ridiculous. Kind of like dealing with a 4th grader who is in an adult body. Your husband sounds like he is trying to be a responsible dad and it may feel like he's really taking care of the EX. Actually, he's probably just trying to keep her on even keel to keep things as quiet as possible. Doesn't sound like it's working. You have been very patient. I admire you. I understand your desperation and wanting to leave the situation...I'm there myself. Somehow he must feel guilty and as though he 'owes' her something. I dont know what. And perhaps she is angry and feels he owes her something. Those two 'owes' feed off of one another. It's ridiculous but true. You just take care of you and the babies. I'll be praying for your situation and your husband's heart that he would see that his vow and promise is to love and protect you...NOT her.... Blessings

frustrated like nobodies business's picture

Entitlement...that's the word I've been looking for allllllllll week! that's exactly how BM feels..."I had your baby and you owe me for life"...she even put it in a letter...Tell your chick "we are not going anywhere and we are forever" Personally, "we" is too many people!! We went through the re-prioritizing about 2 months ago and it has been hell since then. She still feels like she (not their daughter) should be his priority. She tries to spell it out like she's concerned for SD but in reality he's been her crutch for some time. Why he didn't understand that he should have put an end to it long before I came along, I haven't a clue...But I've been trying to accept it and move forward..NOW..i'm not having it..I told him I love your daughter and you should always be there for her..not only financially but mentally and emotionally...but the fact that BM cant make the money you send her work...IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM...i mean seriously, it's a lot of money that he pays and then there are those extras that she should use the money for but never does...She feels to this day that she is entitled to his money whenever she sees fit....it's the BM drama way!!

YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND CONGRATS ON THE NEW ADDITIONS YOURE ABOUT TO HAVE...DON'T EVER EVER EVER LET HER GET THE BEST OF YOU...IT'S JUST WHAT SHE WANTS...

PRIORITY ONE RIGHT NOW...TAKE CARE OF YOU!!

Colorado Girl's picture

are one of the same! "but the fact that BM cant make the money you send her work...IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM..."

I said that the other day to DH. And as far as "entitlement", when BM and DH went to mediation(the first time), the mediator actually had to tell BM to quit using the word. "I'm entitled to..." It was pretty funny.

frustrated like nobodies business's picture

and funny at the same time...I don't get it...I mean, I am no ones BM so maybe that's why I don't understand...but I would think going through a divorce and having a new man and new kids in addition to the one you already had seem to bring about so much to focus on...how can you put your full effort into that if you're spending your time trying to wreck a happy home. I'm very independent so I don't really look at his money as ours...which I get yelled at for all the time...(that's a whole other website alltogether) but she has it in her head that he's telling her no because I'm spending it or something. I wonder how her man feels? Or does he not know that his boo is making late night phone calls to her ex asking for money? What am I saying...he's straight freeloading off my babe just like she is! Will someone stop the madness!! How do these fools sleep at night!

Colorado Girl's picture

When they first split up, my husband(BF at the time) would drop off BM's weekly CS check off to her when he picked up/dropped off the girls. Well, at first BM didn't have a job because she wasn't required to (in Colorado, mom doesn't have to work until children are over 30 months old and youngest was 27 months). Well she also had a live in boyfriend who was fresh out of prison and didn't feel like working either. So their ENTIRE income was from DH. Trust me, he paid her a ton of money when they first split - child support and alimony. So he calls me almost in tears because he had dropped the girls off and BM and her boyfriend were sitting on the couch in their pajama's and the first thing BM said to him when he walked through the door was "Where's my check?" He had to drop the girls off on his way to work and he was so frustrated - why does he have to support his ex-wife, his children, AND her new boyfriend. I started mailing the check after that BTW. But whatever, all in the past.

In addition I am a BM as well. I'm lucky though, my ex's girlfriend is overly nice to me. Doesn't want to step on my toes. I have primary custody of my boys and encourage them to have a relationship with their dad. They need him as much as he needs them. So all is well.

So my point she's making it hard for her own selfish reasons.

lcooper's picture

Your BM sounds exactly like his! She is totally stuck on the enitlement train. You got her to a tee. Thanks! Now I don't feel so alone!

kathleen's picture

First: You are hormonal and dealing with a lot of stress. So don't beat yourself up over anything right now. If you just found out you are having twins you are probably early on, and having a lot of changes in your body. I loved being pregnant but I hated it during the first trimester. This will feel better in a few weeks.

Second: Don't worry about what was right or wrong about last night. You said your peace and he knows how you feel.

Third: Child support should drop because of the new children but not until after they are born. It is a pretty simple modification. He might be required to go into mediation but the court should simply adjust it based on his current income and the number of children he supports.

Fourth: It's never too late to sit down and come to a mutual understanding about your relationship and your expectations.

Fifth: Talk to each other with love and respect. If you can't do that successfully, get a third party before the anger and resentments creates a divide in your relationship.

Sixth: The BM is probably having a really hard time adjusting to the many many changes that are going on in HER life. It may not appear that way from our perspective but, her support system just crashed and there is no going back for her, irregardless of being married to a man with money. She needs time to figure this out.

My advice: Love, love, love to yourself, your husband, and I know this will sound crazy, but to her too. You all are in a whirlpool and need a little love and kindness right now.

You came to a great place to vent and get advice, just keep it in perspective and focus on your family

hangingin's picture

because you will end up with ALOT more stress than you need, and could end up losing the babies!If he is so easy to control, then YOU take control,and tell him YOU are handling the finances now, if he bucks you tell him fine, its YOU or HER, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
I'm sorry, it's just that the EX in our lives is also a very domineering peson,and that is what I had to do to protect my son and household.It seems to have worked out fine, he admitted that it was best for me to handle the money issues.We had a bumpy first year, until EX found out you can't move a mule (me) and once she discovered she couldn't manipulate me, MOST of the money grubbing stopped,unless it came to the kids, then we discussed it TOGETHER (he and I) and decided what was best for them.(it usually involved a limo to the prom,pleaseeee!! or braces the kid DIDN'T NEED)
It might also might help to go to counciling, a person who is not close to the situation just might open up his eyes!!! (we also went through that too, and it sure did help)
Good Luck

hangingin

lcooper's picture

I told him just that "her or me" and I am hugely hormonal, and I guess I didn't get the immediate "OK honey" I was looking for, so I flipped. But I gave him the ultimatum, using funy enough, many of the same phrases you use here. I think he gets it. He also knows I'm serious, and self sufficient. I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and our kids I have to. I don't want to, but I'd rather do that than have his Ex sleeping in my bed, if you know what I mean.

hangingin's picture

When I gave hubby my ultimatum and mentioned asking "his" sister for a place to stay for awhile until I could get myself together, he actually had the unmitigated nerve to say "she turned you down huh? and was actually surprised when I told him, no, she was more than happy to have me and "our son" live with them for as long as needed! Ha, got him right in the nuts!!!!
Things are actually ALOT better since then,he has finally admitted that his daughter isn't all she really needs to be or what she thinks he wants her to be,she really is dumb if she thinks she's fooling him.
And on top of all of that, BM just had a massive Heart Attack last week,I really did find myself hoping she wouldn't make it!!!(shame on me huh???) And then my second thought was, no she has to live, cause who was going to put up with the mini drama mama that she has molded into her image,it will cause BIG PROBLEMS in our marriage if SD came crying to daddy after her mom dies.which by the way, there still is a chance of BM going to the great beyond in HELL!!! She almost died on the table, and they had to hurry up and do minor stuff, close her back up and are waiting until she gets stronger????????? Hell, if I know her (and I do) she is already smoking, drinking, and demanding everyone's attention! Oh hell,I'm screwed anyway it turns out Huh?????????

color me,
hangingin

kathleen's picture

Hangingin has a point too.

I remember when I first married my husband, we had to redefine "his" relationship with the ex. He needed to decide if he was married to me or her because it couldn't be both. For the sake of the kids he needs to have a good/working relationship with her. But he needs to take care of you now, not her. My above post still applies from my perspective, but hopefully last night was the first nudge letting him know to let go of her and hang on to you.

Anonymous's picture

We had a bm like that, and she went into a tailspin when I was pregnant because that finalized that it was completely over between them in her eyes. She also knew her child would not come first anymore, it would be me and our children. Sure enough, thats what happened and eventually she gave up harassing us. We did not pay her anything other than what was court ordered, the money was sent by the court so we did not deal with her. In fact, we talked very little with her and made it clear to her we would not have any sort of relationship with her.

Don't worry, if she is harassing you, only give her a home number just for emergencies. Get your husband on board with this, stop the dialogue with her and I will bet he will change, because it will seep in soon that paying child support for twins would be costly. So hang in there.

Hanny's picture

and if the ex is remarried, SHE needs to move on in her life and depend more on her new husband. Your husband should just pay what the court ordered and nothing more. But yes, take it back to court after the twins are born and get it reduced if the judge will do it. If ex is married to a millionaire, you know the kids won't be hurting. Your hubby needs to make some decisions...you are his wife who is expecting his children, and he needs to step up to your needs, and let his ex's husband tend to her problems.

Colorado Girl's picture

he needs to pay her exactly what the order says and he can explain to her that in the past he was capable of "overpaying" her, but now with his twins coming, he just can't do it anymore. How can someone argue with that? Oh wait, I might know who would try....:)

Check with your state law as far as a child support modification based on your new children. Because in my state, prior born children are the only children that affect child support. Children born after the fact absolutely do not affect it. I've chatted with a few others on this sight that had the same situation.

I know what it's like to be in your shoes, my hubby enables his ex in so many ways. The worst is when he wants to pay for something that really should be part of what we give her every month. It's frustrating, I know. Here's my advice for you because it's what I did. I put it all on paper for him, I listed all the bills, his share and my share and showed how much money was actually coming in and how much was going out. He couldn't believe how little he had left over and how little he was actually contributing to our household. Most of us are "visual" people and need to see these facts in black and white. I feel for my DH because he pays A LOT mainly because she is such a loser and doesn't have to get a decent paying job because she's living off my husband. But I know it will all end and you know I just got tired of being pissed off about it all the time. Life is unfair and you either buck up and move on or you just stay mad. But he is a lot quicker to actually tell her no being that the person that was actually paying for it in the end was me.

Men are funny, I think once he sees his beautiful little twins, he might have that ability to "repriortize" as you stated. All these children need to be loved equally AND need to be taken care of equally finacially as well.

Good luck! And Congrats on the new babies. How exciting!

lcooper's picture

Thank you, you are totally right. I did show him how little he contributes to our household and he feels bad about that, but he still refuses to pay her only what the court ordered. He thinks if SHE ever takes HIM to court, he will look like a good guy for overpaying. He alo mistakenly thinks it will back her off a little, doesn't by a long shot. I will talk to him about it again, but he is pretty firm about it. I support this household about 80-85%, and I don't know if I will be able to work through the whole pregnancy. Scary, because I know he will still make sure he makes her payment before he makes sure our mortgage gets paid. I guess I need to remind HIM that she married a millionaire, and his kids aren't hurting for anything! You know what I mean?

shandee's picture

I'm amazed how much better I feel since i have found this site!!! You all are right the 2nd wife should come first now! R ex flat out told my husband , maybe you should stop worrying about your wife so much and worry about taking care of your daughter..... What she was really saying is you still owe me. I told him when is she going to quit putting a price tag on her daughter? She is mad because he put myself and 2 of my children on his insurance! So when they were trying to modify the child support she somehow convinced the judge he shuldn't be able to use that credit! Kids are not possessions to be bargained with they are a gift... When will they understand? I don't use my kids like that!!!

Find some peace ....pray more, stress less!!!!

lcooper's picture

She does use the kids as bargaining chips, it is sad really. She knows how much he loves them, she will actually not allow them to call him when she is mad at him. He will be thinking something is wrong because he hasn't heard from them, and when they come over next, they say "oh, mom wouldn't let us call you". They are so used to it, they don't even think anything is wrong with it. I don't think she will ever learn, she is bitter and jealous. She left my husband because he didn't make enough money for her liking, and now that she has a millionaire husband, she is still constantly bleeding my husband dry.

shandee's picture

That is r ex!!! She left my husband for that same reason!!! She would day other things and I will say he wasn't great to her , which i believe is part of the problem now. She thinks he will just do any and everything he wouldn't do for her, which isn't always true we just have a different relationship than they had. I am big enough to try to look at it from her perspective because I am also an ex and I have had feelings of hurt, jealousy,etc. but I am also a better person for it. She chose to leave... I did not choose to leave my ex , however his wife ( whom he was messing around with) and I can speak openly about topic and the kids I have no resentment I'm glad she has him!!!
I hate it when ppl put a price tag on their child!!! My husband makes about the same as your husband he put his ex through school, basically he took care of her and their daughter for 10 years while she went to school so she could make 65,000 a year and now she is trying to financially ruin us!!!! Thank goodness we have wonderful parents that help us out. Do you have good parental support? This was really hard for me to come to grips with ..... Its not always his fault, I know it doesn't seem that way, but if he's like most men he is trying to get through this with the least amount of conflict. Now your next challenge is to try not to use your children against the situation , now i'm not saying you are that kind of purpose or you would even knowingly do it.... but i prolly would. Not on purpose but do you see what i'm saying? Your kids deserve the same if not more as his other kids because they are with you all the time. It's hard to get above it all. I will pray for you cause you need it more than me. I have other thoughts about her income, but it depends on your state i guess....

Anonymous's picture

Hi to all,

Well, I have lived with a BM for 14 yrs, and just a few months ago, she woke up and said I don't want to be a mom anymore, and gave custody to (1) my husband, and then when I said, where's my name, (2) a new document was signed. Now this BM has rec'd CS for all these years, and we have supported her ex's and even an ex-husband. Now get this, she is supposed to be a minister. I told my husband a long time ago, that she would send the boys to us once they were out of control, and that is exactly what she did. Now we also have two children together, and I had three from another marriage. So, get this, now the sister-n-law who never calls me unless she wants something, is calling to ask that the kids spend the night. This offer is only being made now that we have our sons from BM. I said absolutely not. Husband also told her no, but I know that he wants to say yes. Any advice or comments are appreciated.

need2vent's picture

Myfiance has paid for nursing schoolfor ex,which she cheated on him whole way through,and after divorce continued to help her with anastheisiolgy nursing school, she will make over$100000 a year and she still calls (lives with another man) for car payments etc,oh and he paid for herD's college after divorce,the daughter that she had at 15 who she raised like a friend and goes out and gets drunk with and never taught her to be respectful to my BF for anything he does, just expect it. At this rate with everyone he has ever known expecting his money,all4 adult children and first wife from 20 years ago, we will never have any retirement,is it pride for men to not say no. I wonder if with lcoopers's MH that he has pride in making sure he takes care of own kids since his ex married with so much money, but yes now he has other children/family to consider. Men say we are emotional but they react to their emotions also, guilt , pride, etc.