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Acratopotes's picture

This is not aimed at any one but a blog got me thinking...

Why is it so important to own your own house? How do you decide which is the better route to follow, owning or renting?

Personally I always said, as soon as my rent equals or are more then mortgage payment then I will buy, but as long as it's below that I rather rent and I save a fortune on insurance/tax and rates etc. I did not spend my money carelessly but always saved 30% of my income in a trust fund (which earns the most interest on Mars and is available within 24 hours) Eventually when I bought my house my savings was enough to put down 60% and the remained I could pay off quickly.

The day you decided to rather buy then rent do you do research first, how much tax and rates, transfer fees, bond cost, interest etc or do you only see your dream house and take the plunge...

Yes I used all my savings cause our savings earned interest is about 5% less then mortgage interest payable, thus it would be stupid to sit with savings I could've used to pay of debt quickly.

Then if your house is all paid off, or you inherited a paid off house, or you scored the marital home in the divorce... do you still put X amount per month away into savings, equal to what a mortgage repayment would've been? or do you simply use your money for living....

If you need to renovate or expand your house, do you take a second mortgage out or a personal loan or do you do it cash, bit by bit as you have the money?

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ESMOD's picture

It is often said that part of the American Dream is owning your own home.

TBH, I do disagree because home ownership is not for everyone.

First, there are the basic financial issues like whether you can afford the payment, will you get a tax deduction, are you likely to experience appreciation of the home asset etc.

But, you also need to determine if you have the financial resources to pay other costs such as regular maintenance and repairs, insurance and utilities (often higher in a home vs apt). Also think about costs such as landscaping and yard tools..mowers etc.

There is also the liquidity issue of a home. If you are in a rental situation, generally, you are only obligated until your rental term is up. That is usually less than a year. With a home, you are hostage to the housing market and whether someone is willing to purchase your home for the value you assign. If it is worth less than you owe.. that is a problem. It's not as easy to just walk away from the home obligation.

Lifestyle is another issue. Do you have time to keep up with a yard? Will you be around to fix minor issues, or would an apt maintenance group be a better option.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I know at least in the area we're in right now... Mortgages average like $500 or less, clear down to like $100 a month... Where as renting is normally about $800+, for super strict rules... So having your own place is cheaper.

Acratopotes's picture

my point exactly....

renting is one amount per month, over and done with.... the same for a year till it increase.

Owning, yes mortgage repayment is 500.00 per month, but what about tax and rates, home owners insurance for fire and flood, (not your problem when renting) but suddenly your expense is 950.00 per month and not 900 ant more....

that's what I mean with do you investigate your options and do the calculations...

I'm talking now if rental stipulates you are responsible for the garden and not the owner... I'm taking gardening costs out of it, cause on Mars it's a given , whether you rent or buy, you are responsible for that garden.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

the $500 here is including the taxes and fees. Only thing it's not including is utilities... Which some of the $800+ renting places (that's an apartment btw... Houses are like $1000 for a mobile home, I gag...) also don't include that calculated in yet.

Also I'd rather be responsible for the garden anyways. Make sure it looks good and that I can plant what I please!

zerostepdrama's picture

Cheaper to own than rent. Plus I like having a house that I can pick and choose how I want it to look. (as opposed to a rental).

I know of people who rent a home for like $1500-$1800 a month. I just could not imagine shelling out that much for just rent alone.

Some people can afford the home but not the maintenance or the upkeep.

Our friends bought a beautiful home. They don't have the $ to furnish all the rooms. (formal dining room and living room). Their landscaping is awful. The house could use some serious updates and decorating. But hey to each their own. Sometimes it's literally just saying you own your own home that people want.

BethAnne's picture

For most people buying their house is the largest amount of money they ever spend. I think most think it through very carefully. Some may not fully realize all the costs associated with home ownership but most probably do.

My husband and I own a home, we did intend to live in it long term but life led us to move out of the area so we now rent it out. Owning a home is important to us as we both feel it is a good investment and feel more secure knowing we have somewhere to live if we need it. We bought our home as the rent we were paying at the time was the same as the mortgage would be and then we rented out a portion of the house to a friend and that covered the taxes, insurance and a little extra. Additional costs beyond that we were happy to pay as the house was large and nicer than the appartment we rented prior to that.

witch.hazel's picture

I've always wanted to own a home, but I'm not a handy person and don't want the responsibility for the upkeep and to fix anything that's broken. I cannot even properly manage the little tiny area in front of my condo as far as weeding and making it look nice, so I would never be able to take care of an entire yard. By the time I pay for someone else to do all of that stuff, it will probably cost more than renting.

Anyway, you don't ever really "own" your home until it's paid in full. The bank will take it away if you hit a financial hardship and can't pay your mortgage. If I took a 30 year mortgage, I'd be an old lady by the time I really owned the home, and with a 15 year, my monthly rate would be as high as rent, but with much more to deal with.

I also don't like the area I'm in, and when my youngest is old enough, I am leaving to a warmer climate whether I'm still with her dad or not. I will leave him for better weather. So I don't want to have to sell in order to leave. I know people who have been living here and not wanting to for years, because they cannot sell. And I couldn't rent it out because I'd have to manage the upkeep, which I'm not skilled enough to do. I don't even know what NEEDS to be done.

I don't understand my MIL who is 80 years old and lives in a four bathroom condo by herself. She is still paying a mortgage. She has to constantly ask for help with any and everything because she can't do things herself anymore. She has the money to pay for it, though.

I've also learned this year that I hate condos. The homeowner's association can forever come up with new rules and new charges in my state, and they do. There is nothing you can do but comply or be kicked out- and yet you are responsible for all upkeep just as if you owned it,
yet you don't own it fully (in mine the owners are only "co owners", and they don't even trim bushes for you here).

I love dogs's picture

This is exactly my situation. Not so great area to buy, I'm not good at yard upkeep, hubby works too much to do maintenance. I also live in a HOA and it's a pain in the rear. As you said, comply or be kicked out but act like you own the dang place! At least there are safe and maintained sidewalks and parks to walk my dogs and they allow "aggressive breeds".

witch.hazel's picture

Yep, mine is a big dog neighborhood in a safe area, which is the only reason I haven't moved! Many of the neighbors have large dogs. We aren't allowed to have pits in our entire township, though. So stupid.

Oh- and if you do get kicked out for not complying with something, you can still be sued for the remainder of your mortgage!

Ours just added a $320 yearly charge due in January. Nothing you can do!

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

That's because the "aggressive dogs could hurt someone" lol. Most of the pits I've meant have been big old sweethearts! I truly believe a dog reflects its owner! Yes some breeds may have an aggressive streak, but for the most part it's about how they're raised!

Def explains why mine has started laying by the food bowl and eating... Also why he is such a fantastic pouter (until food is involved, then all is forgiven) and likes to talk my ear off (part husky, he likes to talk to me.. lmao)

ESMOD's picture

Unfortunately, it seems that the dogs who have the most natural propensity for aggression (against animals or humans) seem to be overly popular with the segment of population that absolutely should NOT be dog owners at all!

We just had an incident at my inlaws when one of their grandkids brought their husky with them to a family event. The dog attacked and severely injured another dog belonging to the son of the grandparents.

Husky owners = grandson and wife. Wife bought the dog several years ago in part to entice and get the now husband to stay with her since she knew he Looooved that breed and always wanted one. It's not a particularly good specimen of Husky, the dog has ugly and non-symetrical markings. Of course it is female and of course it isn't fixed because they want to breed it... of course. The dog spends the majority of time in a crate because they live with the boy's sister and her husband and aren't at home much.. plus the sister and her husband have a 1 yo child. Despite "loving" the dog, they rarely interact or spend time with it. when they come to visit my inlaws the dog sits in the shop the whole time and they rarely even bother walking it.

The dog that was attacked is owned by the grandparent's son and his wife. They live in a semi-attached inlaw suite behind the grandparents (basically living in mom's basement..lol). Anyway, their dog is a bit of a pain in the tail barker and is a bit protective of his entranceway. He has nipped at my dog's tail before.. but he is a pretty small dog at only 20 pounds or so (mostly fat haha) and otherwise isn't a terrible dog.

So when husky arrives on no leash and small dog goes on defense mode, the husky attacks and the little dog ends up at the emergency vet.

Honestly, the owners of the husky are not the right owners. BUT.. my MIL said that this dog had gone after one of her dogs just a couple of weeks ago but didn't say anything because was afraid they wouldn't see their grandson if they banned the dog... so now their son and grandson are in a deadlocked fight... a dog is injured and they have a huge vet bill.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

A lot of the dogs that are "aggressive" end up not getting fixed to keep that aggression, which then leads to puppies, that are unwanted and normally given away from free, which leads to people not thinking at all about the responsibility involved and instead getting the "free puppy." and forgetting dogs need training, care, and attention or else, like children, they "act out." It's a mess...

That's super awful for both that dog and the husky... She probably could be an amazing dog with some training and attention... And the dog she attacked would have obviously have been better off if she had gotten it.

I love dogs's picture

I hate backyard breeders! Our dogs (male and female) were fixed as soon as we were allowed. I also hate when people ask us if we breed our dogs. Um, no we're not breeders. There are too many unwanted dogs already, why add to the problem? And aggressive breeds are mistaken IMO. They're strong breeds that need structure and discipline. People just think they can get a "guard dog" and let it live in a yard it's whole life with minimal interaction. This is evil.

On a lighter note, huskys are very vocal and it's so adorable!

ESMOD's picture

A well trained dog can be from any breed and be relatively "safe". That being said, many dogs have some inherited traits that are almost impossible to "train out" of the dog.

A Border Collie WILL herd
A Jack Russell WILL chase small game (and cats and chickens and squirrels and will kill them if they catch them)

A breed with a inherent nature to be aggressive or protective will also have those types of tendencies and even good training may not over ride all of them. And, some dogs are just not "good stock" they have bad temperaments, physical defects etc

WE have a lovely Yellow Lab. He is AKC registered. The breeder said that if we wanted, she would allow us to breed him ONCE but after that, he would not be breedable for AKC purposes. While our dog was absolutely gorgeous and a very good specimen of his breed, we chose to have him fixed anyway. We felt that for his pet/companion purposes, the more docile and less anxious to roam he was, the better off he would be. No running off to get hit by a car. No aggressiveness from the testosterone etc..

He is now the most laid back and happy 6 yo neutered lab. He is great with kids despite never being raised around them. He is a wimp that will let my BIL's dog bite his tail and he will just sit there while another dog goes at him. Now.. he will chase a cat.. but was raised with one when he was younger and thinks they are fun to chase.. but won't kill them (not that he catches any).

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Your lab sounds amazing!!! My husky mix is super playful, we have a lab who's beyond laid back and lazy. lol The husky did bring me a dead squirrel he hunted once... But I don't really see that as aggression weirdly enough.

I do know some dogs have tendencies that can't be completely trained out, I am a firm believer though that you can train them to control it and can still be well behaved. I agree there are some dogs with bad temperament. There are people like that too.. But training and control (and getting them fixed) can go a shockingly long way.

classyNJ's picture

Both SO and I owned our own homes before but have since sold due to divorces.

We now rent. I do not want to own a home again. For one, the property taxes in NJ are horrendous.

We have been in the same house for 9 years with the freedom to change, paint, add on, etc. as long as we maintain the changes we make. Any repairs are reimbursed to us by the landlord. The last two years the washer and the fridge went. We gave him the option of purchasing them for us or we would purchase and keep them should we ever leave. He chose later so we now own the appliances. We have paid the same amount of rent for all these years. And we have fur babies

Also, we were in our early 40's when we got together. He feels that both his sons will not want to own in NJ and if anything happens to him the boys would be strapped with the mortgage.

mommadukes2015's picture

I'm saving my first time home buyer's status for when we do buy a home. My dad and SO are Alps considering building a house (both are handy in that respect) and my grandfather helped build my dad's house so that's like his thing that he wants to do.

When we renno'd my uncle's house (which were currently living in) we put about 10k into it through the Home Depot project loan and the minimum payment is 150 a month (we pay 650 as "rent" that pays down the loan. It was a really easy process.

ntm's picture

I wanted to have companion animals and not be harassed about it. I wanted to be able to paint the walls without asking for permission. I wanted lots of room for a garden. I wanted to be able to hang artwork on the walls without having to lose part of a rental deposit. And that mortgage interest deductible was a significant bonus.

hereiam's picture

I can see both sides.

Personally, I am glad I own my home. When things go wrong, I wonder sometimes if I did the right thing, but overall, I'm glad it's mine.

I can pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to someone else over my lifetime to rent THEIR property, or I can pay hundreds of thousand of dollars and the home belongs to ME. Yes, there are headaches to owning a home but there are pitfalls to renting from someone else, also.

Tuff Noogies's picture

"I can pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to someone else over my lifetime to rent THEIR property, or I can pay hundreds of thousand of dollars and the home belongs to ME." - A-FREAKING-MEN.

Tuff Noogies's picture

i wish we rented right now. we own. i'd owned before, as had dh. it was fan-effing-tastic. my mortgage was not much more than rent for a two bedroom place. it sat pretty isolated, but still in city limits and close to things. it was in the fastest growing part of town and i knew would gain equity. it was a condo/townhouse, but we has NO HOA's!!!!! a landscaper mowed/blew/trimmed weekly for 35/month - if the hedges needed trimming, he'd charge extra but it was always cheaper if we could get some of the other neighbors in on it. if you had roof issues, it was on you to cover your own as long as it matched the other three units in your building. it was solid construction, but at the time i had great credit and a credit card with 0.00 balance in case the A/C, water heater, or appliances went on the fritz. i could have whatever pets i wanted to. dh moved in after we met (since he was a renter). we had a lovely back yard that was pretty dang private, the kids would go out there and play catch or throw water balloons.

then the housing market tanked. THEN he got the boys full-time. we had no choice but to move as a family of five full-sized people simply did not fit - AT ALL. plus, the changes were so much for them, dh did not want to put them into a socially isolated place, he wanted to keep them in the same schools they were in, and be able to spend time with the same friends they'd had all their lives.

we tried to find a rental in district, but they were all over $1000/m (way over budget) and NO pets (*NOT* an option). we purchased another house (a cheap foreclosure) that was in-district, had sufficient space for all of us, and was near their life-long friends, for only 100/m more than the condo. i love it here, we've been here 3 years. since the market had tanked, eveeeennnntually the condo sold at 30k less than i bought it for (we 'broke even', it was just enough to pay off the balance of my mortgage but walked away with 0.00 profit), and we depleted our savings and ran up our credit cards in the meantime due to paying dual mortgages until it sold. AAAAND dh got injured two months after we moved in. THEN our property taxes went up this past year (so our current mortgage is 200.00/month more than when we started, the ba$tards!), and will be going up again - so, under current financial burdens, YES, i DO wish we were renting.

if your health isn't all to $#!t (like dh's), you're financially stable (we are not, currently, but *were* at the time of purchase) and ready to "park it" in one place for 10 years or more, i'd highly encourage owning, especially as the market is slowly but steadily recovering.

WTF...REALLY's picture

Rent here is cheaper than owning. And our rent is $2450 a month so that’ll give you some idea of what it cost to buy house. Expensive :jawdrop:

moeilijk's picture

It seems to be cultural, and a bit depending on the tax/financial incentives.

I lived in Canada until mid-30s. In both provinces where I spent a lot of time, Ontario and British Columbia, most people have a goal of owning property. In Quebec, known as the French-speaking province, most people don't care about owning. If you rent there, you often rent for 'life' and move walls etc if you like. It sounded crazy, but ok.

Then I moved to the Netherlands. Over here, it's like in Quebec. Lots of people don't care about owning, and renters are expected to put down flooring and change appliances - moving walls and plumbing is not a problem. You just have to put it back when you leave, unless the new tenant likes it and then they accept responsibility for putting it back when they leave. We own, because there is a tax incentive to buy.

Here, if you live in the property you buy, you can deduct the interest portion of your mortgage from your income. In Canada, you can only deduct the interest portion of your rental property mortgage.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Here in California, we are in a housing crisis. Foreign and domestic investors have gotten into the residential property market, and the increased demand has driven home prices sky high. At the same time, the rental market is very tight as developers stopped building during the recession so there just aren't enough rentals available to meet current demand. And don't get me started on the outrageous property taxes. Still, my mortgage is about half what it would cost to rent a home like mine.