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misspengwen's picture

Good morning all! Childfree, full time step parent here, looking for some advice on whether certain behaviors are normal for a 12 y/o girl. Never having kids of own, I don't know if it's her acting out or just me having a short fuse.

After repeatedly discussing these things and how to better handle them, they continue almost daily:

1. Leaving long nasty strands of black hair in the bathtub and sink.
2. Leaving soaking wet washcloths just lying in the bathtub to get funky.
3. Walking into a room and instead of saying hello or just speaking like a normal human, standing there making dumb noises/faces/movements until someone acknowledges her..
4. Constant reminders on picking up after herself or if there's a mess/something on the floor/etc., just pick it up/clean it up. Why wait for someone else do it?
5. Taking food that isn't hers (I like the Atkins meal bars... 5 for around $7/box. Miss Thing left me 2 from the box that I JUST bought on Sunday. She's been eating them like granola bar snacks... said she didn't know they were mine and didn't think she had to ask) Do I have to bring MY food to work with me so I'll know it's safe?

-Losing my cool... Sad

Thank you!

Acratopotes's picture

dang - it's not normal for bio's to be like this cause we can parent them as bio parents...

but when it's a skid... you have no say cause you are not the parent. How to resolve your little issues

1. call her back and ask her to clean it, if she ignores you call her father and tell him to deal with it.

2. see above point and nothing helps - take soaked face cloth gather all the hairs and then trash it all

3. do not acknowledge her ignore her and turn your back on her..... if DH acknowledge her, simply say - that was totally rude and walk away

4. ask her nicely to clean, she will ignore you and then make her father clean it.

5. lock up all food not meant for her, if she wants special food her Daddy can go and buy her some, with his money and not the joint money or yours.

nengooseus's picture

Sadly, these are all "normal" teen behaviors. They're gross and rude and eat everything.

I agree with Acro. Defer most of these issues to her father and lock up/hide food you don't want her to eat.

tankh21's picture

Yeah I agree as well with Acra. My YSS behaves bad most of the time and doesn't clean up after himself and the bathroom is a whole other story. I have battled with the skids and DH about how a 12 almost 13 year old and 10 year old almost 11 year old pees on the bathroom floor and doesn't wash their hands but instead wipes their hands on the wall and their poop ends up on the wall. So yeah that is normal behavior for a kid. My skids are "special needs" so BM says.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Yep... sounds like me and my sister at that age. Also sounds like DH at THIS age. But because I love him and I know I do things that drive him crazy too (like leave cabinets open), I just let it go.

You, however, do not have to let it go because I imagine you don't care for your skid the way I do my husband and my bios. Except I would go one step further and have DH clean everything instead. I wouldn't bother asking the kid. Eventually DH will get tired of it and tell her to do it.

secret's picture

Sounds like my girls. They don't "notice it"... .but they notice it when I tell them to get their butts in there and clean it...

Willow2010's picture

Sadly, these are all "normal" teen behaviors. They're gross and rude and eat everything.
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Yep. THIS ^^^

ishouldrun's picture

Normal teenage behavior from teenage girls. I've had 3 bio daughters and they don't become human again until about 21. That being said, I do stay on my girls to clean up after themselves and call them back (sometimes more than once) until it is done. If we have a problem at that point you are going to lose something that you don't want to lose (make-up, phone, etc.).

ChiefGrownup's picture

Sounds like many 12 year olds.

Give her increasing consequences until she gets it.

Stepped in what momma's picture

1. Leaving long nasty strands of black hair in the bathtub and sink.
Use funky washcloth from item 2 to clean up and leave in her room for her
2. Leaving soaking wet washcloths just lying in the bathtub to get funky.
Fixed-- see item 1
3. Walking into a room and instead of saying hello or just speaking like a normal human, standing there making dumb noises/faces/movements until someone acknowledges her..
Who cares? Ignore her completely or make faces and gorilla noise back to her.
4. Constant reminders on picking up after herself or if there's a mess/something on the floor/etc., just pick it up/clean it up. Why wait for someone else do it?
Tell her anything you find will be thrown away. Get a box and put in the attic, throw everything you find in there so she thinks you really did throw it all away. If it continues after round 1 then throw the crap away.
5. Taking food that isn't hers (I like the Atkins meal bars... 5 for around $7/box. Miss Thing left me 2 from the box that I JUST bought on Sunday. She's been eating them like granola bar snacks... said she didn't know they were mine and didn't think she had to ask) Do I have to bring MY food to work with me so I'll know it's safe?
Yes, you must not put any food that you don't want them to eat where they can get it. My skids are not allowed to free eat so this isn't an issue at my house but if it was an issue I'd move my items to my locked bedroom or take to my office. Then I'd take 4 out of her 5 granola bars out of the box each week to give her an idea of what it feels like.

Ispofacto's picture

THIS.

Solidshadow7's picture

I was exactly like that when I was 12. Actually, I was just like that until I was about 22. And like your SD, I had a stepmother that I literally drove to alchoholism simply by existing.
The mess didn't bother me so I didn't clean up after myself.
When someone told me to clean up after myself I either got annoyed with them for being such a neat freak, or honestly intended to do what they asked but forgot. Repeatedly.
I didn't say hi when I walked into a room because I was insecure and unsure that they actually wanted to talk to me, so I would try to make them notice me, figuring that if it was an adult moment, they could have an out by just ignoring me.
I ate whatever was in the house that I wanted because as far as I was concerned it was my house and everything in it was also mine.

misspengwen's picture

Why did it take you until the age of 22 to change? Not trying to be mean, just curious for my own sanity for the next 10 years!

Solidshadow7's picture

As I got older, the mess started to bother ME, it wasn't just other people complaining about it.

I got called out on repeatedly on my failure to announce my presence when I entered a room with other people. I was just socially awkward, and sometimes people need to tell me things over and over, or demonstrate HOW to do them for me even if everyone else thinks its self explanatory.

At some point I became aware that other people existed. Seriously. I was completely incapable of seeing things from someone else's perspective at that age. I think it was after years and years of watching people get upset with me because I was incapable of understanding them I began to realize that maybe they actually did have valid points and my inability to see them was the problem all along. I just figured everyone around me was stupid or crazy, that was really how it looked to me. It had always looked to me like if their points or perspectives simply weren't valid. It took a long time to realize the problem was me, that I just couldn't see it, not that it didn't make sense.
I didn't understand that my stepmother had a need for personal space at that age. I didn't understand that my stepmother had her own money and bought things for herself. I mean, if my dad bought groceries, or candy, or whatever, the expectation was that I eat those things. I didn't have to ask, just all consumable he bought were automatically mine. Special stepmother food only for the stepmother was a concept I didn't understand. Everything that belonged to my dad belonged to me too, I wasn't able to understand that this didn't mean that everything that belonged to my SM also belonged to me.

I guess what im trying to say, is that I certainly knew that my SM wasn't my mother. However, I didn't understand that I wasn't her kid. You'd think these things are self explanatory, but they aren't, not to a child. My parents did everything for me, and expected nothing from me in return so I had the expectation that my stepmother would be the same way. And when she wasn't I got very confused. I didn't know she needed things from me in exchange for doing things. That she needed thank you's that my parents didn't need. That she needed validation from me that my parents didn't need. She needed to hear that she was loved and appreciated, while my parents already knew it. Only she ever got bent out of shape when I wasn't affectionate, or didn't say thank you for every little thing. My parents couldn't have cared less. I couldn't understand that she had rules and boundaries that my parents didn't have. And I couldn't understand why she wasn't willing to give me everything that was hers the same way my parents were. A stepparent is only willing to do half of what your parents are willing to do for you, but wants 10 times the recognition.

Now this makes sense, she did all these things because I wasn't her kid. There is no unconditional bond. As a child, I didn't recognize that I had an unconditional bond with my parents only, I simply expected that everyone would treat me the exact same way. My mom wouldn't care if I ate her granola bar, or if I didn't clean up after myself. I mean, she'd yell at me for it, but she wouldn't go TOTALLY NUTS if I still refused. She'd grumble and get over it a second later. My stepmother on the other hand would want to file charges for theft if I ate her granola bar, and not picking up after myself would result in a 6 hour screaming match between her and my father and then her not speaking to me for 2 weeks afterwards. These are severe examples, but when you take into consideration that almost EVERYTHING about our relationship was like this, I just came to the conclusion that she was completely crazy, and then treated her as such. You don't try too hard to please a crazy person, because they will never be satisfied-- so why even make an effort? I lived with her for 10 years and NEVER once remembered her birthday, no matter how badly I got punished by my dad year after year. Why make an effort to remember if I think she's insane and I assume she will get just as upset with me either way? I honestly didn't realize that if I did what she was asking she might be happier with me. I just figured she was nuts, and going to be mad at me no matter what I did for some reason that I couldn't understand.

skatermom's picture

You're describing my house. I have 2 BDs and 3 SDs. All of this is normal.

Hide your good food, I do this regularly. Do not pick up after them. Call them out on what they did and make them clean it up.

Just ignore the weird behavior, I'm hoping they grow out of it.

Is_What_It_Is's picture

It's not "normal" by any means - but yes, it does happen. I could have written this - are you living in my home? lol

1. Either have them clean the bathtub and sink. Or wash them down the drain and have SO clean out the drains when the water no longer goes down.

2. Let skids do the laundry, wash the towels and wash clothes, fold and put away.

3. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

4. Learn to leave it and ignore it! On occasion, when I am in a particular "mood" - things that are left sometimes find themselves put out into the garage or the trash bin. Or SO gets to clean it up.

5. YES! You have to learn to take your food (or other possession) with you, store it in your bedroom, hide it in the laundry room, take it to work, hide it in your car - whatever, wherever just so you will not become resentful when all your special food or personal items come up missing and then you're standing there staring into a not-so-innocent-face blinking and saying "I didn't know".

I wish I would have known even half of this stuff when Dh and I were married - it could have saved a lot of hard feelings and resentment towards the skids (and Dh). I'm still working through that (sometimes not so well either) and hoping things will eventually get better (like when they finally move out!).

ChiefGrownup's picture

You might also wish to consider getting her her own box of protein bars. There's really nothing wrong with her snacking on those for herself. I'm sure they are better than chips or ice cream. Get her her own box and write her name on it.

bowenw67133's picture

All normal, but it doesn't make it OK. MY SS(11) is really bad about eating all of the good food and cleanliness. I've put the brunt of resolving his behavioral issues on my wife (his BM) lately and she's starting to lose her cool with him.

DO NOT ENGAGE them whenever they enter a room making strange noises or acting abnormally. It just reinforces the behavior. I just act like I can't see him. I call it "Grenade" behavior. It's entering a room with the intention of blowing up the peace for attention. You might be screaming in your head, but you can't let them know they're getting to you.

Jersey Not So Sure's picture

My FSD is 13.. and SAME! I'm childless as well.. so same question applies "pushing buttons or just a normal thing?"
I think mine is part youngest child of divorce manipulation, part princess attitude with a pauper mentality.

1 & 2: Luckily we don't have to share a bathroom with her, so hair and gross moldy whatevers can stay behind that closed bathroom door until she wants to clean it.

3: Mine lurks, and will stare at you until you catch her out of the corner of your eye making some weird face. She thinks it's funny.. I think it's creepy.

4: CONSTANT reminders about the cleaning up and menial chores.. then get the giant SIGH and eye roll, or the "well, I was GONNA do that!" and the stomping up the stairs. Fun!

5: If food isn't nailed down in here, this child will eat it. Unless it's only hers, then she'll leave it to rot. I came home one day, looking forward to some lovely chocolate my father bought for me. I opened the cabinet, and took down an EMPTY box from the shelf. She ate every last piece and left me the EMPTY BOX... next to the candy that was given to her. I have found hiding spots since then. Use the laziness to your advantage.. I hide food in plain sight on the bottom shelf of the cabinet because I know she's too damn lazy to bend down and look that far.

Oh, and in response to your question... so far, I've heard this is normal behavior. Sounds like some wine is in order for us?

Rhiannon's picture

It's pretty normal--but there's nothing wrong with being upset about it. Kids don't like picking up after themselves. Some adults don't either.

For the food, you might want to try writing your name on it. Keeping it somewhere safe isn't a bad idea either. It's easy when they're young and you can just put things where they can't get to it...usually.

Rags's picture

Yep, perfectly normal IMHO. All part of sharing an abode with someone else.

1. Leaving long nasty strands of black hair in the bathtub and sink.
People have hair. It clogs sinks and tubs. Set the expection that she brush her hair over the waste basket and not over the sink. She can also clean up her hair from the sink. Set the expectation and hold her accountable.

2. Leaving soaking wet washcloths just lying in the bathtub to get funky.
She can wring them out and hang them up to dry or ... she can run a load of towels/bath linens.

3. Walking into a room and instead of saying hello or just speaking like a normal human, standing there making dumb noises/faces/movements until someone acknowledges her.
Ignore, ignore, ignore... until you get irritated enough then confront, confront, confront. Instruct her on proper greeting etiquette when she enters a room.

4. Constant reminders on picking up after herself or if there's a mess/something on the floor/etc., just pick it up/clean it up. Why wait for someone else do it?
She is a pre-teen. They are idiots. Drag her back to finish the job... lather, rinse, repeat... for about a decade for most people.

5. Taking food that isn't hers (I like the Atkins meal bars... 5 for around $7/box. Miss Thing left me 2 from the box that I JUST bought on Sunday. She's been eating them like granola bar snacks... said she didn't know they were mine and didn't think she had to ask) Do I have to bring MY food to work with me so I'll know it's safe?
This one I actually agree with the kid regarding. If food is not intended for the use of all in the home at their discretion... put it in a separate area and if necessary... lock it up.

My wife upon occasion get irritated when the Skid or I have eaten something that was purchased for a recipe. She went to labeling that stuff and now I do not get in trouble for this nearly as often.