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Parenting Differences: She wants to be a baby forever

cemathis's picture

My bf is still married but has been separated for 6 or 7 years (And not because of me).  His wife left him and is still with the man she left him for. They both have moved on but stay married since they have a daughter together. I met my SO’s daughter when she was 7. Which was a great age because we got along. We would snuggle on the couch, I braided her hair, I kissed her boo boos, help her study homework.

Here is the issue: There are a few differences in parenting popping up. When I met her she said “I want to be a baby forever so people will take care of me.”  She is now 10 and I feel like there are several things she can start to do on her own. For instance, tie her shoes, brush/fix her hair, and pick up after herself. I asked her to add hair spray to her own hair, she disregarded me and had her mom do it when she picked her up for school. Her mom still ties her shoes.

And there is also the issue of money….SD’s mother filed bankruptcy and still has expensive taste. Before leaving my current SO she has even taken loans out in his name without telling him. They only buy name brand and they buy the daughter everything she wants. She has 6 American girls dolls. Trips to Disney. Name brand clothes. Of course I want the daughter to have nice things. But she is now describing people and saying things like “she has deep pockets and lots of money” and “I (SD) have expensive taste.” I don’t feel like that is good for a 10 year old to say or an adult really.  

I told her that I made plans for the weekend by going to a greenhouse to buy us flowers to plant in the yard. (Something she wants to do). And she responded by saying “that’s it? That’s all?” (unimpressed) And repeated it a few times. We do lots of special things for her such as dragging the beds downstairs to build forts/camp out and play Wii games until late night. My SO always buys her something when we get her. Clothes, toys, movies.

She has also kicked her father because he turned her game off and said it was bedtime. He threatened to end the campout night because of it. But he is a softy and there was no consequence (never really follows through). I've heard the daughter brag to her mom during a trade off that she harassed her dad so many times about watching the Snoopy movie to the point he finally caved in.

She also wakes us up in the middle of the nights every weekend she is here. Now my SO is wanting to bring her mattress in our room so she can sleep beside us. She doesn’t eat what I cook most of the time and he will rush off to McDonald’s or somewhere to buy her something.

I am seeing manipulative behavior and I am afraid my partner is too soft to really follow through on tough parenting moments. I also feel like we can’t compete with the mother with expensive taste. I love my SD but I fear she will totally pull away from me because I am not willing to give into this type of behavior. What do I do? I am not going to buy her a ton of gifts in hopes of gaining her affections. But she is noticeably pulling away and gravitating more toward those who baby/coddle her. :O

Acratopotes's picture

I am sorry to say hon, but you have wasted 3 years of you life on this man.....

if this is the life you want, keep going, personally I would've ended it and move on

hereiam's picture

Let her gravitate away from you, then. You owe her nothing and she sounds like a spoiled brat.

They both have moved on but stay married since they have a daughter together.

This^^^^makes no sense, as they are both living with other people. That's not really the definition of "staying married for the kid's sake".

cemathis's picture

Their co-parenting arrangement is working and they hardly fight. He fears that once he officially starts the divorce she will try to take all of his money since she is bad with spending choices. She refuses to pay for it and my SO is not exactly one to handle conflict.

hereiam's picture

They are married, therefore, joined financially.

He needs to talk to a lawyer, get a handle on what might happen financially in the divorce (may not be as bad as he thinks, depending on what state and what assets they have together), and just do it and get it over with.

Why live in fear of BM? And that is what he's doing. Or, maybe he wants to stay married to her for some other reason?

Disneyfan's picture

The first thing you do is demand that this man divorce his wife or you walk away.

The way he and his wife parents their child shouldn't be more of a concern than the fact that he is still married.

sunshinex's picture

Your partner is WAY to soft if he's not getting a grip on her behaviour. She sounds spoiled as hell.

Last night, my husband and I took my stepdaughter who's 5 years old to the store to pick up a helmet and kneepads so she could ride the scooter we bought her in the winter. We were SUPER excited to take her on the scooter. Once we had the helmet and kneepads in the cart ($50 for both) we went by the easter section and she asked for some chocolate. I told her no because easter is soon and she's already getting a helmet and kneepads. She got upset and said "but those aren't a treat, i can't eat them!" and I promptly told her if she's not grateful she's not getting anything at all and put the helmet and kneepads back. She cried and cried but my husband totally backed me up. No way in hell will we EVER support behaviour that's even the littlest bit entitled.

We do the same thing if we go to a restaurant and she complains even once that it's not what she wanted. We pack up and leave the moment she has something negative to say. She's learning to keep quiet and say thank you for ANYTHING she's given. The same needs to be done for this girl, who by the way, is on the verge of teen years and those will be HELL if she's not taught to appreciate things and people around her.

cemathis's picture

"those will be HELL if she's not taught to appreciate things and people around her." I agree and that is a serious fear in my situation. Thanks for commenting.

sunshinex's picture

Afraid of consequences for speaking up? I'm not sure that's the case...
She was happy with the helmet and kneepads. She asked for chocolate when we went to the easter section, we politely told her no and reminder her that easter is in a few days and she's already getting the helmet/kneepads, to which she replied "but that's not a treat!!!" and got all upset. I told her "yes it is, and an expensive one at that SD, you're already getting chocolate in a few days for easter so no we're not getting any now" and that's when she came back with "but I can't eat that so it's not a treat!!"

I put them back because what would I be teaching her if I proceeded to buy them? That she can basically say something's not good enough and still get it? In my opinion, if it's not good enough and you've made it clear, than obviously you don't need it. She's free to speak up about things... she'd never get in trouble for saying something was burned or didn't taste good or something, but she doesn't get to complain about perfectly good toys/food not being good enough for her.

sunshinex's picture

We already decided to make her do some chores to earn the helmet and knee pads. Yeah, we could've bought those things when we bought the scooter but I bought the scooter on a whim in the middle of winter and kept it hidden as a surprise for when summer came.

And I know it sounds harsh, but it's more so coming from a place of concern. She's always been super sweet and appreciative of things, but the last 2-3 weeks, she's had a major attitude and we don't know where the heck it's come from.

It ranges from things like this to saying "no" when you remind her to say thank you to downright asking "is that all?" when you or someone else gives her a treat. So we are probably being a bit extreme, but honestly, it's been hard adjusting to this new attitude when she's normally really great about appreciating what people do or buy her.

sunshinex's picture

We also have a baby on the way and I'll be taking maternity leave. I make 75% of our combined income so while i'm on leave, we'll be doing some major cuts to all the "fun" stuff we've been able to do/buy her so quite honestly, the entitled attitude is coming at the worst time. I've always been the one who buys her random gifts and takes her out and stuff, so it's not easy knowing that will have to slow down.

We might not have handled things right but I really, really don't want the "that's not good enough" attitude to cause her to be upset when she REALLY sees how it is not getting what she wants all the time.

sunshinex's picture

She never had to do chores to earn the safety equipment. We were buying those for her as a gift. Believe it or not, a 5 year old is capable of being excited about a helmet. She got to pick an expensive girly one she really liked and she was excited. She didn't see it as "safety equipment" as much as part of the gift of the scooter. We did NOT expect her to earn them. Like I mentioned, we brought her to the store to buy them.

When she decided she wanted a treat, I reminded her that we were spending lots of money on the helmet and kneepads and that easter was soon so no, she can't have one. It wasn't until she threw a fit and started saying the helmet and kneepads weren't a treat and weren't enough that I put them back. We THEN decided she could do some chores to earn the right to get them, since she lost the right when she decided they weren't good enough.

Disneyfan's picture

Wait,you take a kid to a restaurant and she isn't allowed to voice her opinion on what she wants to eat? :? I'm not saying she should have free reign, but my goodness

Sorry, but I think this the opposite extreme of what the OP's BF allows.

sunshinex's picture

No lol if we go to a pizza place and sit down and she starts complaining that she wanted mcdonalds or something... We give her one chance by reminding her "I know you want XYZ but we're here and you should be appreciative that we're taking you out" and if she continues to complain, we leave. Sorry, I should have clarified that lol once in a while we'll let her pick the place, but if one of us chooses and she throws a fit, we leave. of course we leave. we're not interested in teaching her not to be grateful when someone takes her out to dinner and pays...

What if she was with a friend from school and their parents took them out and she complained? Neither of us want her complaining when she's being treated to something...

If her food is burned or something, of course we'd resolve that situation. And she gets free reign on what she wants on the menu with no limits. lol.

Steptococci's picture

Amen.

sunshinex's picture

Also do you see the world we live in?? Giving a 5 year old a cup of water while everyone else eats would probably result in a call made to child protective services lol.

sunshinex's picture

Yeah but why spend 10-30 dollars on a meal for someone who puts their nose up at it? I'd rather not lol personally I'd rather take them home than spend my hard earned money on them if they're not grateful.

cemathis's picture

Their co-parenting arrangement is working and they hardly fight. He fears that once he officially starts the divorce she will try to take all of his money since she is bad with spending choices. She refuses to pay for it and my SO is not exactly one to handle conflict.

cemathis's picture

They are on friendly terms and get along with the system they currently have in place. He is afraid to rock the boat bc he is afraid her true intentions for money will come about. Their marriage is not good but they both are avoiding the serious talks.

cemathis's picture

Interesting. It is odd bc I am not sitting and waiting to get married as I am okay with cohabitating. Marriage on day, sure. But I am in no rush. I am however, not thrilled that he doesn't have his personal affairs together while I am playing mommy/wife. I have told him a few times to get his finances in order to protect himself. Sounds like I am the one that needs to protect myself. Thank you for commenting.

notarelative's picture

He's legally married to someone who has filed bankruptcy. He is legally married to someone who in the past took out loans in his name. He should be worried about money now.

Does he check his credit regularly to be sure there are no new loans in his name?

cemathis's picture

I am not sure as we keep our accounts separate. I agree he should be worried about money and take steps to protect himself. I am not sure if he is lazy, too trusting, or too afraid of her to take action?

Rags's picture

First... no 10yo on a mattress in your bedroom. Ever.

Second... what the hell are you doing with a man who has created this entitled golden child brat?

She kicked him? Did he light her as up for that?

If not... he is the problem.

cemathis's picture

He took the campout stuff upstairs. She cried. He drug the campout stuff back downstairs after talking about it gently.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Kicked her father. Kicked. her. father.

He did nothing.

There is a great deal wrong with this whole situation but this alone is a crushing deal breaker. That kid is going to be a monster.

My sd also frequently made statements about wanting to be younger, be a kid all the time. Now here we are. She's 17 and may not graduate. School counselor says it's because "she's afraid to turn 18." No, it's because she's been indulged in dreadful behavior all her life and is in no way prepared to be an adult. Oh, well. She will be an adult soon just a terrible one.

Your so is either deeply stupid, deeply in denial, or has an agenda you have not sussed out. As a married man he knows he's CURRENTLY liable for all her debts. He knows that. The only way to protect his assets is to divorce so that no new debts she incurs can fall in his lap. It sounds like they are not done with each other and have dragged 2 other people into their emotional vortex.

cemathis's picture

May I ask why or how you ended up dealing with staying in the relationship? It sounds like you had a few tough things to cope with. What makes it worth it in the long run? Generally asking, and not trying to be rude.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Yes, I have dealt with some terrible sd issues. Definitely. I stayed because of many things.

!. My dh is a wonderful human being. It has been painful to him to learn he has this huge blind spot but he has done the hard work. He has always listened to me. He has tried things he didn't agree with but did so for my sake. He shows me every day what a priority I am to him.

2. My stepson is the most lovable human being I've ever met. So there is a great deal of joy in my steplife, as well. I have a very rewarding relationship with him.

3. I have the support of all my in-laws. They both support me and give honest feedback and support to my dh. It has made all the difference in the world. They are very loving to him but they give him some tough love, too. Just knowing they see what I see gives me strength. They have even directly stepped in at times.

4. My dh promised me that she would not live here after 18 and that he would support me if I start treating her as an adult when she's 18. That means no hostile, lazy adults living in my house and I no longer have to hold back in deference to her parents. I will say whatever I want to her since she's an adult. And the biggest thing I will say to her is "No."

5. I did have a confrontation with her when she was 14 and he supported me. Things got a million percent better at our house after that.

No, you are not rude and I didn't take it that way. We are all trying to find what works, that's what drives us here. In the reverse situation, I would have asked the same question.

Also, I guess I also gotta say, my husband is married to me. Not her. Me. We have a unit. I have and he has certain legal and social benefits from that. Number one, it's a declaration to all that we are all in, this is my person, let there be no confusion. The law recognizes that as do other institutions and not the least of which is the skids themselves.

cemathis's picture

Thank you for sharing. I am glad your dh has done the work. And I agree about relationships coming first (in a reasonable manner).

ChiefGrownup's picture

Yes! Just one of the benefits of coming here! Lots of witty sayings and clever turns of phrase that not only make you laugh but also hit the issue right on the mark!

hereiam's picture

But if he drops dead right now, every red cent will go to his wife.

Yep. I don't know how long they were married before they split up but now that it's dragged out this long, I assume they have now been married more than 10 years. Which means she will get his social security, too. Not that that will affect you (even if you marry him) but it's annoying!

If he has life insurance through his work, he probably can't name anybody else as a beneficiary, unless the spouse signs off. Anything that is in his name, could legally belong to her (depending on the state) and will become hers if he dies, as she is next of kin. Things like that that people don't think about until it's too late.

notarelative's picture

Whether or not he can name anyone but the wife as beneficiary depends on the company and the asset.

My BIL died. The life insurance from the company named the beneficiary "as by law". Legal wife is first on the list.

401k retirement funds are regulated by federal law. You can not name anyone other than your legal spouse as the beneficiary unless the legal spouse signs off and it is notarized. At the time of death the legal spouse gets the money, no matter who is named, unless the spouse signed off.

IRA retirement plans are covered by state law. In some states spouse has to sign off. In others you can name whoever you want.

Steptococci's picture

He sounds confused or something. Divorce is the appropriate action in this situation where everyone has moved on. I agree with everyone else's appropriate concerns for your future financial and emotional security.
And she sounds awful. 10 and can't tie her shoes? And so many other red flags.
You're in for a long haul.
Does your DH feel she is spoiled or he thinks he's doing everything right? There was a good article posted here recently, about overindulged kids and later resentment.
https://www.steptalk.org/node/236937

You should read it and give it to DH. Maybe he'll get a clue before it's too late.

CLove's picture

Another entitled spoiled child walking the planet. Your SO is doing himself, you, and the world at large a huge disservice. The child (at this point), there is really nothing you can change here - she really isn't the problem you are having - Momee and dadee are the problem!

STOP doing things for her. She will grow to hate you. STOP planning fun outings. Disengage, because really, you are not the parent. One of the main things that you learn here, is the following:

YOU are not the parent. This child has 2 parents and you are not one of them. YOU cannot care more about this child than the parents do. If your SO is ok with a monster who kicks him, and doesn't appreciate him, then you can do nothing. You can advise him. You can stand strong and support him and encourage him to stand strong as well.

Another great bit of advice you will learn here;

Childrearing hasn't changed much over time and over the world - we all face the same challenges. As someone coming into this child's world, who is not a parent, you have responsibility but not authority. It is the parents who have to parent her, you need to allow your SO to parent her. But you also have to decide what you are going to allow in your life. Are you willing to spend more of your life in this situation? Are you going to invest more of yourself in these people? It is time for some soul-searching. You are not tied to this man permanently, however he and the child represent an investment that you have made. Are you willing to invest more into this family with all the entanglements that will drag you down further?

Read more postings here. I have learned much. The advice is the same all over, that you are on the losing side of this war, as it is currently. Something needs to change. The married comments- well I am curious why you would mention it if you did not want advice on that as well. I think you realize that it is in fact relevant to your story, in a whole-istic manner.

As for my story, well, I was in a relationship with a "separated-but-not-divorced" man. And after 1 1/2 years, he had a friend who knew a paralegal, who was excellent, and a friend, and he saved up his money, and started the process. Prior to that, my SO jumped through many hoops, every day, to make sure that things were "friendly" between he and his ex. She is high-conflict, bi-polar, etc. He knew things would hit the fan when he told her he was filing. But he had the cohones to do it, and do it he did. He was right - she got very angry, and told him she wanted him to wait so she could claim 10 years, to qualify for higher social security benefits. He said no. Because also, after 10 year mark, the ex could file for alimony in perpetuity.

She became so angry she filed an ex parte. Told the court all types of negative things about SO and myself, asked for many restrictions. She told SO she hoped he would die of a brain aneurysm like his father before him did. That she would ask for a very large alimony sum. She never followed through, and things calmed down. Nothing was done, except they filed the paperwork and 8 months later divorce was final! SO claims that if I had not pushed, and his friends had not pushed, it would not have happened. He benefits greatly for having disengaged himself, in many ways that I don't think he realizes.

My SO has two girls, and the eldest was a nightmare (still is...you can read my blogs.) The youngest I have hope for, and we get along, however there have been some entitled moments. When she told me she was bored at an event last year, I completely stopped planning fun outings. Not going out of my way to organize things really anymore, unless its just SO and I.

Like I said - I think it is time for you to do some intense soul-searching, and then put some action behind your decisions.

moeilijk's picture

This is way beyond parenting differences. Does he really not connect the dots? I'm a bit boggled at the fact that anyone would continue in a relationship with such rudeness and lack of respect. That applies for pretty much everyone involved.

Love is NOT enough. Love is the thread that starts things off, that holds it together during weak moments, but it's just a thread.

sunshinex's picture

Wait yeah I just realized you mentioned she kicked him and he did nothing. What happens when she acts violently towards you? do you think he'll do something then?

You see a lot of stories on the news about stepkids stabbing their stepparents lol so i'd watch out....