ESMOD's picture

When you absolutely positively have to have a man. No matter what.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-man-pleads-guilty-killing-172629931....

So, kills first wife with unborn baby. Serves less than 20 years and gets out and marries again. Proceeds to kill two new kids he created plus attempted to kill new wife and did kill her kids. In front of her.

How bad do you want a man to marry and have kids with one that murdered his first wife and baby?

CLove's picture

A true and consummate failure

A true and consummate failure in our justice system. Ive seen women who are entranced with a man who is controlling and abusive. These women have an illness...

Hope is a 4 letter word.

nobodysbabynow's picture

I wonder how many times he

I wonder how many times he threatened her that he would do exactly what he did. Having been a victim of domestic violence by an extremely threatening, violent, and controlling man, I personally imagine that she was scared to death of him. I'm sure she wishes more than anything that she had left him sooner. But knowing what he was capable of was probably what kept her there.

nobodysbabynow's picture

Last I heard, she was going

Last I heard, she was going to try to come out and speak to thank everyone for their support because a lot of money was raised for the kids' funeral, but she was not able to bring herself to speak (understandably). So I don't think much is known, but I've read comments that her father knew him before he killed his first wife.

advice.only's picture

According to court records

According to court records obtained by PEOPLE, Faith Green had filed for divorce a month before the murders, citing a “breakdown in the marriage relationship.”....yah think....could it have been the fact that he murdered his first wife and child?

Call me Chardonay

ESMOD's picture

I saw in the comment section

I saw in the comment section (maybe not a true fact tho) that she was denied a restraining order. judge duh.

lucy91's picture

I think it's kind of gross we

I think it's kind of gross we are attacking a woman who had her kids murdered in front of her. Did she know about the man's past? There are a lot of broken people out there.

lucy91's picture

I know you weren't

I know you weren't sanecatlady. Just the title of the post is rubbing me the wrong way that's all.

lucy91's picture

I completely agree. My

I completely agree. My business, which I have since sold, used to hire primarily from women shelters.

The number of women who go back to their abusive partners is staggering. It doesn't make them man-hungry. Some issues can't be easily explained.

ESMOD's picture

I posted this, so I will

I posted this, so I will respond.

I suppose she might not have known about his history... but I think I would be a little curious about a person's past and would want to know what they had been up to and not being able to explain a long stretch of time would be a red flag.

My guess is that she did know.

I understand there can be very complex reasons why someone might stay with or return to an abusive situation.

However, how often do we see people on this site wondering how bad someone needed a man in their life when they are in horrid situations.

It's not just man-hungry as in lust.. it can be financial, family, church.. lots of factors.. but some women just can't be alone too.

No, a poor choice in mate doesn't deserve the death penalty, but when you choose unwisely, your chances of a negative outcome go up. So.. not blame so much as cautionary tale.

advice.only's picture

I didn't think saying that a

I didn't think saying that a breakdown of her marriage...aka possibly finding out her husband had murdered his first wife and child was being gross, but I get it we all have our opinions, so thank you for pointing that out.

Call me Chardonay

lucy91's picture

Jesus. Clearly I used the

Jesus. Clearly I used the wrong words. I just found the title of this post itself off-putting. I wasn't saying you did anything specifically.

LadyFace's picture

How messed up is our justice

How messed up is our justice system where you can murder your wife and be out in less than 20 years?

If she were a stranger to him, he would be serving life. But since he vowed to love and honor her forever, let's let him out in 15. %#4%:=!

Keep on keepin' on!

LadyFace's picture

The drug sentencing is

The drug sentencing is stupid, but a separate issue. It's a fact that if the victim was a girlfriend or spouse, the abuser gets off with a much lighter sentence than if the victim is a stranger. Some of that, the prosecuting attorneys explain away because the victims are uncooperative. Well, she can't cooperate if she's dead ya #!%%=!

Keep on keepin' on!

Exjuliemccoy's picture

And females who murder their

And females who murder their husbands often get life. Riddle me this...

nobodysbabynow's picture

I just watched a movie on

I just watched a movie on that- females who murdered their abusive husbands, often in self defense, or because they were afraid of being killed, or trying to save their children serving life sentences!

granny goose's picture

Julie, Dahlink, Old white men

Julie, Dahlink,

Old white men STILL rule the world. No riddle at all....

nobodysbabynow's picture

Because supposedly if a guy

Because supposedly if a guy gets mad and kills his wife or girlfriend, it's a "crime of passion" I think is how they put it, so that means he gets a lighter sentence because it wasn't premeditated. In my mind, that means he cannot handle his Sh*t without killing someone, is very dangerous, and should NEVER be out!

nobodysbabynow's picture

This is in metro detroit

This is in metro detroit where I live. Right now in our county's newspaper we have a guy who killed his wife with a kitchen knife in front of their kids in another township, a guy who killed his wife with a bat after she put their kids to bed and then hung out with their kids playing legos while her body was in the garage, a guy who killed his wife with a hammer, a man who shot his girlfriend to death (mother of their kids), a young man who choked a woman to death just because he wanted to have sex with her (they were friends)...a 23 year old woman missing and it seems to have something to do with a male security guard at her job. This all happened in the last year or so in Metro Detroit. I could go on, but I think violent men are the issue. That, and people (courts, police, family, neighbors, friends) who look the other way and don't help enough, and don't react strongly enough when they notice that a woman or children may be experiencing domestic violence.

sueu2's picture

That's why "You can't help

That's why "You can't help who you fall in love with" is so darned lame. No standards means no standards. Doesn't matter the situation.

Lucy, there's nothing wrong with the title. A desperate woman is a desperate woman, and desperate women don't scrutinize. They go along with whatever for the sake of having a man. The pay for him. They take his crap. They take his kids' crap. They take that he disrespects her by allowing his kids' crap. This woman didn't have to know what he was in jail for. Just the fact that he was in jail was all the information she needed. People don't do background checks, but everyone should. So, even assuming she didn't know he had been in jail, in the very least, there's no way she didn't know about his absence and that he had no previous jobs. There are questions you are supposed to ask. Everything about him should be under a woman's scrutiny, but they don't. Way too few anyway. So yeah, she absolutely, positively had to have a man....no matter what.

We all know there are women who meet men while the men are in jail and marry him while he's in jail. Translation - have to have a man no matter what. There is no amount of "he's changed" and "he paid his dues" and "he's sorry" and all that crap that can convince me, but they fall for it and it's the excuse they give themselves. And it's common place these days that women are waiting for their man to get out of jail.

notarelative's picture

My guess is the second wife

My guess is the second wife thought he was innocent of the first crime when she married him. Wrongful convictions, while rare, do happen. It wasn't until after the marriage that he showed who he really was.

http://injusticebusters.org/04/Hornoff_Scott.htm

ETA: Oops. Didn't realize he pled guilty the first time. Amending my answer to say I have no idea how you can marry someone who pled guilty to the murder of his first wife. No idea why you wouldn't at the very least Google the name of someone you are dating if there is a large gap in his history.

Livingoutloud's picture

There were drugs involved

There were drugs involved from what I heard. I mean they were both on drugs, so her judgement clearly was clouded