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TeeGee0871's picture

So here's my issue! My 18 almost 19 yr old SD graduated from high school last summer, and has done NOTHING to get working and moving forward in her life! The only time she has applied for any job is when myself or my husband have gotten upset with her. I even sat down and had a long conversation with her trying to find out what the problem is. All she had to say, is 'I don't know!'. She sleeps all day, doesn't do anything to help out around the house, and once we are home, we make dinner, she eats, then takes off to visit friends (and her friends all work, so she can't visit until they are done work).
What drives me nuts, is my husband continues to pay her cell phone bill, and hand out cash to her. So, essentially, why should she get a job? She has all her needs taken care of, why work for it?? I try to gently poke at the topic, but all I get is 'Don't pressure SD to get a job'! I mean really? Why not?? Why can't we put some pressure on her? Why can't we give her ultimatums? I figure she should be applying for a minimum of 3 to 5 jobs per day, even if she is re-visiting places she's already gone to! And while at home and not working, she should be cleaning, and helping out. She can't even unload the dishwasher!
I have a rule with my son, if he wants his cell phone active and working, he needs to help with dishes, do his own laundry, and keep his room tidy. This is done, and he works well with these rules.
All my SD does, is her laundry, her room is usually piled high with clothes, a mishmash of clean and dirty on the floor, she leaves messes in the bathroom and doesn't clean it, and my husband doesn't allow me to create rules for her.
It drives me insane, and I have no clue what to do anymore! I feel myself constantly thinking about this, and I hate that I feel such negativity towards my SD. I've raised her, been there since she was 2, and her mother was off doing her own thing and barely involved.
I'm at my wits end, I don't know how to get my husband on the same page as me. At this point, I feel like she will be unemployed, and mooching off us forever!

TeeGee0871's picture

No, she isn't going to any form of post secondary school. I've had the conversation with the DH, but it seems to simply fall on deaf ears.

CatchyUserName's picture

You have a DH problem
Don't "gently poke" at this with him. Sit down, no distractions and say "we need to talk about SD and our living situation". Instead of trying to get her to get a job, try to create a plan with him. Are you guys able to agree to a three month plan? She has three months to get a job and get her own place or enroll in school, or start paying rent...something you think you can live with. You need to explain to DH that you don't want a roommate, that this is your home and she is an adult. If you able to agree on a plan, sit her down, write the plan out and make everyone sign. Here's the catch, there has to be some consequences if he doesn't follow the plan when it's time. Are you willing to move out? Is there a financial consequence you can implement? Change the locks? Stop being gentle. It's time to start drawing a line. Your problem isn't your SD, it's your DH and his coddling of his daughter. If he doesn't want to talk or make a plan, or gets defensive, get ready to move out.

Merry's picture

You know your DH is crippling her, right? When is she ever going to learn life skills? She either needs to get a job or go to school. Or live with you forever.

She can't feel good about herself if all her friends are working and moving forward and maturing. Next comes self medication because she feels so bad about herself. Then you have a substance abuse problem on top of laziness.

Nothing good will come from allowing a teenager to sit around and mooch off of daddy. And this IS all about your DH -- he, for some reason, wants to keep her dependent on him. Oh, he'll deny it. but the evidence is right in front of your eyes.

twoviewpoints's picture

Why such different rules between DH's kids? He's good with his son doing dishes and cleaning his bedroom but , nope, not his daughter. WTF?

Unless SD gets higher education or specialized training she's pretty much limited in what she will ever be able to work at. Low wages for sure. Why no motivation? Considering her friends work, I'm surprised SD doesn't want pocket money and to be able to go out and partake in the activities they can do. Oh, right, Dad gives her cash.

I don't get it. Did SD do well in school?

TeeGee0871's picture

I know! I make an effort to bring up our sons rules and talk about how important it is to help out around the house, and contribute. How if you want things in life, you must work for it. But the SD and father both go silent and don't even say a thing.

She won't go to post secondary school, as all she says is she doesn't know what she wants to do, and can't afford it. She once asked me to take her to the doctor because she had no motivation, I explained how there are no pills to get motivation, it comes from within! But still nothing.

And SD did just enough to graduate, no more, and struggled through school.

CLove's picture

Yes, she most probably will, mootch off you and hubby, unless a PLAN is created, implemented and followed through with consequences if not.
Don't pressure SD my A$$! Because poor special snowflake cant handle a real job with real responsibilities? First off, take control of your household - get some chores done. Personally I have seen removal of bedroom door work wonders for keeping room clean.

I have the same problem. BUT SD17 hasn't turned 18 yet and still needs to graduate HS (this summer we shall see) However, she has no job, no license, and her phone bill hasn't been paid. So its going to be an uphill trek.

Your DH needs to read her the riot act pronto. Or you need to create an escape hatch from the sitch. Do you REALLY want her around for another year, or two or three?

Really?

TeeGee0871's picture

No WAY! I can barely handle the fact I've lived almost a year with this. Even when she was in school I couldn't get her doing anything at all.

Tried chores, and Husband said, oh she's just a kid....or oh she's just a teenager, let her be.

My thoughts....WTF??? What's that going to get her? She has no motivation, no goals, and doesn't seem to care about much of anything. She disappears on weekends when I'm home to avoid any form of contact with me.

I swear, this won't last much longer, I'm about ready to pull my hair out!

Acratopotes's picture

I agree SD is not the problem DH is....

Now take control and tell them SD, you have 3 months to find a paying job to start paying rent, in the mean time you will clean the house and dishes etc, 3 months and then I will move you out of the house... give DH a bitch look and say and if you do not stop enabling her you are moving with her understood.

Turn around and walk away, never say anything again, after 3 months you simply pack her shit, leave it out and cut her phone.

Indigo's picture

The "I don't know" comment from SD seems to speak volumes ... Depression, learned helplessness, or merely a sense of being lost,... perhaps SD needs help to create a life plan. Counselor for depression? Practical coaching from you and DH regarding how to function in the world? SD does not sound as if she has any future plan and no one to help her create a tangible one. Focusing on the little things like laundry and house rules tends to ignore the elephant in the living room which involves launching a viable humanoid.

BTW: at 18, I did not have a life plan. I had my belongings in a black trash bag. Looking back, I wish that I had a cognisant adult to help me make a step-by-step plan because I felt overwhelmed.

TeeGee0871's picture

I did sit down with her, helped her review how to build goals and a plan towards finding work. I walked her through registering online through many job sites so she could easily apply for work via the internet, from home with little to no effort.
I talked to her about the help centers locally that she could seek out counselling and help with finding work, and presenting herself.

At 18, I myself was working 2 jobs, had a great 1 bedroom apartment, and was enjoying my life.

My SD and I used to talk about many things, as she didn't feel comfortable talking with father or mother. But then when I started helping her, she went to her dad, and told him I was putting too much pressure on her.

All I was doing was helping her find jobs to apply for. So, I just backed off, and now nothing is going on.

Rags's picture

We solved this problem by taking the kid's house key, turning off the internet and cable TV when we left for work each morning, and giving him a chore list. If he failed to get his chores done by the time his mom and I got home from work in the evening... he was on the curb when we left for work the next AM. He was left here with no food, no water (except the garden hose), and he sat their all day until we got home or he could figure something else out.

It only took 2-3 tests of our commitment to this strategy for him to gain clarity and not be locked out of the house for the work day. One of the times he tested it was very hot, one it was pretty cold, and the third I don't recall the weather but he learned that if he was to live in our comfortable home he had to step up.

To prevent him being comfortable we added increasingly more tasks to his chore list. He scrubbed, cleaned, wiped, swept, vacuumed, mopped, dusted, washed, folded, scrapped, sanded, painted, mowed, weeded, edged, mulched, trimmed, sliced, diced, chopped, cut, prepped, brazed, broiled, roasted, sautéed, seasoned, plated, served, polished and put away, etc.... until he finally gained clarity and enlisted in the USAF and reported for Basic 8mos after his 18th birthday.

"I don't know" is the kiss of death for any relationship..... including the parent child relationship once the child is no longer a young child. Time for her to start to gain clarity that "I don't know" is no longer acceptable. She is not a kid. She is ostensibly an adult. Time for her to learn adult lessons. Shut down the cable TV and internet when you and DH leave for work every morning. Cancel her cellphone plan and put her on a pre-paid plan with very limited minutes and if she fails to do her ever increasing chore list... she gets cut off from all external communication capability unless she gets her ass out and gets a job.

Lather, rinse, repeat... it works. Try it.

TeeGee0871's picture

OMG....If I could put that into place, the world would be wonderful! That's how I was raised, work for what you want!

I would do everything you listed, and have no problem with any of it, unfortunately, the husband is not on the same page. I can't even have a conversation about it with him. Very frustrating!

AlreadyGone's picture

This is the thing... unless your DH is ready, willing, and able to deal with his kidult and her inability to grow up, there is nothing you can really do about it. He's already told you "not to pressure her to get a job." This is his line in the sand. Something tells me that if you attempt to enact any house rules, responsibilities, or consequences, your DH will not be happy with you.

Understand, this most definitely IS a DH problem, and I'm guessing his unwillingness to prepare her for the real world, is not a new thing. If this is your first problem with SD, I'd be very surprised. Now you have to ask yourself some hard questions... how much am I willing to put up with? What is important to me?, etc.

First things first. Have an in-depth conversation with your DH just to see where he lands on all of this. Until you know what his thoughts are, you won't be able to strategize. Come up with a plan that you can both live with and then dig in. Do not make any rules that you don't plan on enforcing, b/c if you leave any doubt in SDs mind that you're not a united front, she will create a division in your home. Sadly, with blinder wearing bios, the SKs and their 'woe is me' crap, can sink a divided marriage. It will soon become apparent to you, where you stand is this situation. Hopefully, things will work out in your favor. However, don't be massively upset when you find that DH thinks it easier to give in to his kidult, than do the right thing as a parent. There is a reason this site exists, lol.

Best of luck to you. Smile

watergirl714's picture

What a pity for all involved, especially you. It's not your job to find her a job. If you don't want her there then make it uncomfortable for her to stay there so she'll find some sort of job and move in with a friend instead of rooming with you forever. One person I know solved the problem by getting a smaller house...with no guest room. A 60 day close meant everyone had to literally move on. Best thing they ever did. If you're not ready to do that, DH has to do the job he didn't years ago and that's stop enabling the SD to stay in limbo. It's not your job. As someone else said, military is an option, provides structure, training, goals--many life skills for those who lack them. It's a start. Good luck!

TeeGee0871's picture

Thanks so much! I did suggest she look into military, as she gets educated, paid, living food all covered. But unfortunately, that didn't go anywhere.

TeeGee0871's picture

Thank you everyone for all your amazing feedback! There have been a few arguments around this issue, unfortunately, a sit down conversation is not an option as my husbands simple response to most requests for a conversation is 'Yayaya!' or I don't want to talk about it!

The idea of leaving is definitely on the plate for me, as I am having a very difficult time in living with this. There are so many levels to my family life, and the years I've lived with so much crap, I can't even begin. I know I'm not perfect, but I know I'm a pretty darned good parent to both my SD and my son.

I just have to make a plan for myself, and put it into action! Almost 20 years of this family life as it goes, I could go on and on here but will leave this as is for the moment! And just continue on with my plan. I have an internal goal of 3 months, and should things not change, its time to move on.

CLove's picture

I just reread your post. I feel for you and am also working out a possible "exit strategy". The Skids just decided they wanted to go from 3-day schedule to 5-day. No one told me, it came out by accident. I feel very marginalized by this. I will be asking for lots of help from SKids, if they want to play that game. I am also putting my energy into increasing my income and potential, so when I need choices for myself, thy will be there. Its mentally exhausting to always be dealing with this type of issue. Take it off YOUR plate, for the time being if you can.

MY SO - he does not like discussions at all and they typically turn into arguments. The Skids are allowed to whine and complain "why do I have to..." You had 20 years of this???? Ill have maybe a year full time. We all need a good exit strategy. Some on here, they keep the man, but move out and live separately. That would not work for my situation, but I know myself, and know that I will not be tolerable if SD17, who turns 18 soon, and graduates a month later, does not pick her head out of her butt and get a job and a license.

And SD10, who turns 11 soon - Ive decided not to really do much for her anymore, as she is starting to challenge me on all turns. I will have a discussion -I am big on discussion. That's too bad your man does not have more or a parenting "backbone". He created this situation that you have to deal with - he and BM. And we all just innocently enter this "step hell", without many tools for coping.

Good luck!

TeeGee0871's picture

I so hear you! It's been a battle throughout our entire marriage to be honest. I was raised in a family where we all contributed, everyone helped, had chores, and consequences when we did something we weren't supposed to, which was rare as we had respect for our parents.

My SD seems to behave like she is entitled....to what, who knows, she has never contributed, never helped out, the rare occasion she's stayed home with her brother to take care of him, and that was always lacking. I don't even want to ask her to take care of him anymore, as he complains she's always in her room.

I can't set rules for her, as the husband won't 'allow' it. Which drives me insane, as I've been raising this girl since she was 2.

I find it ironic that its ok for me to be 'mom' when its convenient for everyone, but when its something that he doesn't like, oh but she's my baby girl! Doesn't he want better for his baby girl? Why is it such a bad thing to help our adult children grow up and stand on their own 2 feet! Our parents did it with us, and we lived, we didn't break!

My recent thoughts are to start building a private bank account. Looking into what my next move is.

I thank everyone here for allowing me to vent, and realize I am not alone!