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pinkb's picture

Hi folks... I know I have posted bits and pieces of this before but it's getting really, really bad. My husband and I moved back East about half a year before SS(now 20) graduated from high school. I had already spent 2 years of my life living near the kid's school in a place I wasn't particularly fond of with "joint custody". Said "joint custody" turned into FULL custody inside of a month. And, in my husband's defense, I agreed to this as I had spent little time with the child (then 14-ish, my bad). He hastily turned into a combative teenager because Daddy always treated him like a "buddy", never EVER said "no" and gives the little punk everything he wants.

Anyway, in the last 6 months of high school his Daddy left his car with the child (which meant Dad and I SHARED a car for a year) and paid ~$1500 room and board (plus "allowance" for doing what who knows). The gravy train was supposed to end after graduation because Dad isn't loaded and he never saved a penny for school.

Mysteriously, kid chose a college about 90m from where we now live (over 3,000 miles from where we lived before). And, despite the fact his 48yo Dad has about $1000 in savings for retirement, he (WE rather) paid for the first 2 years of school part of which Daddy dearest was unemployment so who, you might as, is REALLY paying 16K/y in tuition? The kid barely acknowledges that I even exist.

Now to the problem at hand... I have repeatedly requested (not only of the child but of everyone I am even remotely close to) that they announce themselves before they show up at our house. First, I'm a very private person. Second, I was the victim of a home invasion when I was a child to the extent that the robber held me in his arms to tell the police everything was okay and a sniper took him out. I was 6 years old and the man had been a field worker for my grandfather and was quacked out on cocaine and wanted money. So, in essence at the age of 6 I was held at knifepoint by someone our family considered a friend.

I have explained this to my friends (in less detail) and they get it, They are very respectful of my request. My husband has known this for many years. I didn't think it necessary to share with a teenager (assuming his father would just tell him "no showing up unannounced") but did once he started college and we moved.

Now his girlfriend lives nearby and just barges into the house whenever he likes (this has never been his home). It freaks the heck out of me. Last night I was dozing on the sofa (had an early morning flight this morning) and here comes the kid barging in at 9PM. I was cordial in front of him and then excused myself to another part of the house. He claims that he tried to reach his father (I doubt that) and Daddy took the blame for not having his phone on. This isn't the first time this has happened.

Am I totally out of line to respectfully request that this "adult" child announce himself before barging into our house? Or, at least ring the doorbell? Or should I have to run around locking doors all the time (he has no key to my knowledge)? He's not a bad kid and I don't mind having him around but he's never been particularly nice to me. I feel like if he won't respect my boundaries, don't come over at all.

My husband acts like I am a psycho. What do you guys think?

Pink

jam's picture

You should be shown respect and given the common courtesy of being advised when they are coming over and when they do show up they should knock and wait for you to invite them in. Even if you had not gone though what you did as a child, you should be shown simple common courtesy.

You are no psycho and your dh knows that. He is just making excuses. I have found that my dh will either a) make excuses for his adult kids, b) defend his adult kids, or c)throw me under the bus.

For a start, lock your doors.

pinkb's picture

Amen, jam, and thanks for your comments and support. Do I like the kid? Some days. Am I polite? You bet. Is he polite? Sometimes... if he wants something (usually money). When he IS invited most comments are along the lines of "no wonder you have to go to the dentist again... you guys don't buy organic". I want to say "Hey, you little punk... you want to bring your "organic" shit over here when you are invited and want to eat something... have at it. We have a few more bills to pay than you do. And, most of them belong to you!"

A bit off topic but this is the sort of entitled millennial bullshit is something I think a lot of us can relate to...

pinkb's picture

This year... for the first time (junior year) he got a loan. Thank goodness! But, only because Dad just took a huge pay cut and they were desperate. And, boy, you'd think I was killing puppies with all the bitching and moaning that went with that!

Thumper's picture

NO you are not being unreasonable, they are extremely rude beyond common minimal manners.

Doesn't matter who it is---a call first to see 1. IF your home and 2. IF you are willing to accept visitors is always minimal and should be everyone's standard.

**BUT the kids are not visitors, your right they are family and FAMILY should treat eachother other better and with common decency**

I would NEVER just show up at my moms, or my Grandmothers, or my siblings house or even my BFF's house we were raised to call first.

pinkb's picture

Thanks Goodluck... you make an excellent point. I should just start walking around naked ALL the time. That should horrify him enough to never want to show up unannounced.

Stepped in what momma's picture

I'm sorry to hear what happened to you but why are your doors unlocked if you don't want an unexpected intruder? Seems like after that experience you would have the doors locked, cameras installed and the alarm set.

sandye21's picture

I agree with the others, lock the front door and tell SS to call first. This is not an unreasonable request. If doesn't like he'll have to get over it.

Rags's picture

Far from a psycho you are making a reasonable request. That your DH does not support that request and in fact tolerates his spawn violating that request tells me more about your DH than I care to know.

Call the locksmith and have the locks rekeyed. Inform DH that his spawn will not have a key to your home. Then go buy a hand gun, get certified for a CWP and tell DH that your childhood trauma has been aggravated by the SS's manipulative behavior. No threats, just keep the home secure from any unannounced visitors and prepare to defend yourself if someone breaks into your home.

pinkb's picture

All great suggestions, folks... when I am home alone all the doors are always locked. We do live in a small town with very little crime but occasionally I forget or I have the dogs on the porch or in their dog run. In this particular case Daddy was "working" in the garage (doing goodness know what since it's ALWAYS a disaster). Kid shows up, garage door is open and door from house to garage is unlocked. Kid waltzes in. Daddy even made up the excuse that SS tried to call and it's his own fault (Dad) that he didn't answer the phone. In my mind, if someone doesn't answer the phone, that's not default for "it must be okay for me to show up". From now on, even when Daddy is gardening or dinking around in the garage, I'm going to lock his ass out there.

I know and the kid knows Daddy is never going to tell him he can't drop in. I don't want to validate my psyho-ness so I provide a pleasant (if antiseptic) "hi" and I leave the room. I resent this. So, though it is our house (mine and my husbands), its a nice one... Said SS has never lived anyplace nicer that a cut rate 1 or 2 bedroom apartment with either Mom or welfare collecting (last I heard) BM. In these escapades he almost always has a friend with him like he's publishing "look how well off my family is". Though he and his father benefit greatly from the 20+ years I've worked to be financially secure sometimes I want to shake him and say "Sweetheart, your FAMILY isn't well off. The SM that you treat like she doesn't exist is well off from years of doing without (and because I'm kinda cheap). So maybe, just MAYBE you should grow some manners and be nice to her.

Stepaside... I totally agree with you. I call ahead at my own parent's house. It's only polite. Once in a blue moon my own Dad will say "hey, I checked with but we're out on the patio. Let yourself in". Then, and ONLY then (after granted permission) would I enter (and I DID grow up in that house). And, no I am not a teenage boy but my first stop would NOT be the refrigerator.

Thanks again, all, for your help... I really needed the reality check.

Pink

hereiam's picture

Daddy even made up the excuse that SS tried to call and it's his own fault (Dad) that he didn't answer the phone. In my mind, if someone doesn't answer the phone, that's not default for "it must be okay for me to show up".

Right? 'Cuz if someone doesn't answer my call, that must mean they'd rather see me in person, so I should just just head on over.

My SD tried this bullshit. She once mentioned coming over some Sunday and DH told her to call first because he might be at work. Did she call? Nope, BM just brings SD by. DH WAS at work and I didn't answer the door. I didn't even realize it was her at first, we have no peephole and no clear view from the front window to the porch. I do not answer the door if I don't know who's there.

She later told DH that she DID call and left a message. Really? If no one answered, maybe no one was home (landline). Why would you just drop by? Then she told DH that I must have erased her message. Liar, liar but again, why would you come by if you didn't actually get a hold of anybody?

She also told him that she knew that I was home because she went into the backyard, up our deck steps, and looked into the one window that she could see in (I knew she would do this and did not care so stayed where she could see me).

Yes, SD, I was home and since it is my home, I don't have to answer the door just because someone knocks.

CANYOUHELP's picture

Nobody is allowed to walk into YOUR home without your permission. That is just101 respect. I ignored this a first, and it increased to the point they were telling me they would be parking items in our backyard soon. Of course, the husband said he never said they would be allowed, but something was definitely discussed. My group is pushy and over-bearing, sounds like your situation may be one you can better reason about.

Your husband must respect that boundary and your privacy and stop with the excuses. It is amazing how creative excuses can become and get twisted around to protect people intentionally disrespecting the SM....or step parents, I assume.

TwirlMS's picture

I had the same problem with my SD coming over unannounced, letting herself in. It freaked me out, and I too had a childhood experience where our house was broken into. For that reason, I always lock the doors even in the daytime when we are home.

Unfortunately DH had given SD a key to our home and it was a nightmare. She let herself in while we were on vacation and she stayed for three months. After we made her move out, she'd drop by or leave something behind from a visit before so she would have an excuse to drop by unannounced again (to retrieve it). A pattern with her developed. When I said "you scared me" (by her sudden appearance) it didn't stop her, she thinks she has the right. DH wouldn't take back her key, so I resorted to protecting myself by locking the screen door too, which can't be opened except from the inside. At least I had some peace of mind by doing that.

I did get DH to understand that he needed to set boundaries with her. Otherwise she'd trample all over our home. He told her she has to call first and can't just come over uninvited. She has to respect that we may have plans with other people that she is not included in. We have a right to have friends over our age without SD crashing the party.

I would call her boundary problems a chronic disease that has to be constantly managed by us because it keeps manifesting itself in different ways.

We finally sold that house and are building an hour away. I told DH he has to set her straight on additional ground rules with our new house. It's still under construction but she wanted to go over there on her own to hang out. (It's a very beautiful property on the water with acres of trees to hike). It's our serene retirement home and the only uninvited visitors I want are the peaceful wildlife that habitat there. I certainly don't want a nosy SD hanging out there that ruins my mood every chance she gets. And I'm not a moody person, but I am a private person. These SKids don't seem to understand that things have changed. I would think they would be even more aware they are not welcome to barge in with a new wife living there not related to them.

SD always considered my home to belong to DH and therefore hers. She's wrong. I paid half and DH paid half of this new house and we are donating it to charity after we're gone. It will never be hers. Do you know what's funny? SD was always possessive of our guest bedroom in our old house, even leaving some stuff behind so she could mark her territory. Now that we sold the house she was so possessive of, she must feel kind of foolish. It belongs to a complete stranger now and she will never own that one either.

She's still trying to mark her territory with my new house. I saw in an e-mail that she was suggesting to DH that he hang some mini-blinds that she has that used to belong to BM. Seems pretty crazy that she would think we would want some cheap used mini-blinds in our million dollar house on the lake. (not trying to sound snobbish, just stating a fact). Why would she be bringing up mini-blinds when the windows aren't even installed into the house yet? :jawdrop: :?

shes driving me crazy in my retirement's picture

It is YOUR house and it is only courtesy to call before coming over. Honestly, the younger generations.

Have you talked to the girlfriend about her just barging in?

LOCK THE DOORS so no one can just walk in on you. Heck, we even do that here because we never know who is out there.

pinkb's picture

I've tried a few of the things that you folks here have suggested and things are looking up. The sense of entitlement with the kid certainly isn't going away, but Dad is starting to understand that my reaction when he doesn't handle these situations just isn't worth it.

Case in point... Monday afternoon kid calls to ask if he can borrow our rag top Jeep. The weather is nice but more importantly, we have special license plates on the car allow us free entry into the state parks (to go hiking or to the lake, etc.) Otherwise, it costs $5/person and he wanted to be the "cool guy" to take his friends. I told his father, "I have no problem with him borrowing the Jeep if it's on a day that both you and I don't need a car each". Dad said "well, before you flip out, I told him 'No' because he wanted to come by and get it right now. I told him 'sorry, and I were just about to take it out ourselves right now but with enough notice no problem in the future'".

Interestingly, we WERE getting ready to take the Jeep out but we could have easily driven the other car to run the errands we were heading for but Dad said "He needs to get out of the habit of thinking he can call or show up at the last minute when it's convenient for him but not for us".

Wow! Who is this guy and what has he done with my husband?

I just wanted to share a happy gram for other people who might be in similar situations that there's a chance it might get better!

Thanks, folks, for all your help!

Pink

GottaLaugh's picture

A GF of mine told her adult children they better not waltz in unannounced unless they wanted to see them in a compromising position, she advised them DH and herself were often naked, made love all over the house so unless they wanted to see that best they let them know if they were coming round Biggrin .

CricketinTexas's picture

My adult SD knocks on our door (even though she has a key) when she knows we are home. She always texts us to tell us she is coming. It is totally rude to just barge into someone's house.

pinkb's picture

Thanks mustang2008 and CricketinTexas... I've employed almost all the suggestions all you fantastic folks have suggested. I'm sure there will be times that I forget to lock ALL the doors and I'm sure my husband will forget, too. But that's something I CAN control and if I screw that up it's on me. The other thing I can control is my reaction to this behavior.

The kids were here on Friday to do laundry. He called ahead and I said it was okay. Of course the parameters changed... the girlfriend (who I like and he's less of a "pop off" when she's around) came with her wash as well and a "couple" of loads of laundry turned into 5 and 4 1/2 hours after retreating to my study to work (and the rearrangement of my furniture so they could cuddle in the living room where I usually set up shop on work days to work because it's bright and I like the distraction of the birds visiting the feeders) they were gone and my living room was back to normal. It wasn't ideal but I chose not to flip out.

I guess what I wanted to share with others who are dealing with these and/or similar situations... this stuff takes time. But, with your support, patience (not my strong suit), and seeing little signs of progress I am no longer feeling like I'm losing my mind.

Really happy I found you guys for support and the reality that I'm not nuts.

Thanks again,

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