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Do we ever have a right to complain?

MDawgs's picture

Do we ever get to have the right to complain about SK to DH? Even if DH has said the same thing?! Double standards huh?

SD was mean and snappish over a few days this past weekend and I kept asking DH to address the issue with SD. He never did until he was dropping her off at the end of her last day with us here. And she did not respond well and never even said goodbye to us. So I said "I'm glad I don't have to deal with that (behavior) for the new few days." And he blew his lid and then called me names. Not even a mean complaint but expressing my feelings.

Why can bio parents express frustration but not for step parents? I guess step parents are just not given any leeway.

So much for double standards. Anyone else in this situation?

Rags's picture

Were I you I would have told him to GTFO of the car and your life and cut all ties immediately. Why do you tolerate "he blew his lid and then called me names".

Time to rid your life of this toxic characterless non-man prick and raise your standards.

Take care of yourself.

Monchichi's picture

I'm going to answer this as a bio and not a step parent. Rightly or wrongly we all want to believe our children are loved by everyone, no matter what. I had to learn to accept my DH's criticism of PPP or what I was perceived as critism, was from a place of love. After 4 years, I am still not perfect at it. So when uncertain, I rather back off and ask later. He loves her and he means well.

I'd suggest taking my H stance, and try telling your H it's not meant to be hurtful.

As a SP it is hard to know when it is and isn't alright to make those statements. I don't know how you said it or if you've often said things that could be misconstrued. And lastly no one, no matter the situation has the right to speak to you as you've described. I don't care what his reasoning was, you should not tolerate that.

MDawgs's picture

Exactly, no where did I say I did not love my SD, and in fact I told him I did love her but that attitude does take a toll. And he doesn't have my back and can't think that I say this without maliciousness and without trying to be hurtful. And yet he can say the meanest things to me. He can't stand back and see that it comes from a place of love. When are we going to address bad behavior and why do we keep taking it. DH does often misconstrue things but you know what bottom line is that he does need to give me the benefit of the doubt, and trust me and try to work it out. Instead of blowing his lid and then calling me names, which in itself is so much worse that me saying: I'm glad I don't have to deal with that for the next few days. Which he has said so himself. Did I even say anything malicious about SD? Or was I also just expressing myself that I am relieved I don't have to live in a stressful situation where I have to walk on eggshells in my own house trying to tolerate a teenager that isn't always nice to me. But no, since I am not a biological parent, I don't get to make that expression.

I'm not tolerating it. I'm done with this because it kept happening yesterday and often.

Thank you everyone!

PolyMom's picture

I'm currently at the point where I feel like DH turns it around on my kids whenever I bring up something that's annoying me about his. Usually we're okay, but last night over dinner, I felt like SK's behavior was something like Dandy Mott from American Horror Story with DH behaving like his mother (minus the psychopathic serial killing tendencies). I just left the table in disgust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CpMQWwxJXo

still learning's picture

"DH turns it around on my kids whenever I bring up something that's annoying me about his."

My DH used to do this too. One day I dared to point out the obvious about his lazy ass 30 year old, jobless, pothead, couch surfing son, who didn't like to shower. I told DH that he needed to bathe and get a haircut because I was becoming nauseous being in the same room as ss. DH comes back with something about my 13 yr old son being a slob because he left a dish in the living room. Sorry DH, not the same at all. Now I don't even talk about ss, after securing any valuables I try to be busy or GONE if he's visiting.

stepinafrica's picture

I think that this issue boils down to unconditional love and trust. Basically we trust that bio parents love their kids. So when they express frustration about their kids driving them crazy, we don't get defensive.

People don't trust that the stepparent is coming from a place of good intentions. Therefore anytime a SP expresses anything short of adoration, people will tend to focus more on whether the step parent 'likes' the kid rather than on the behavior that caused SP to be frustrated.

I see this in my DH all the time. He is not in a hurry to fix SS' disrespectful attitude towards me because he is more interested in being satisfied that I 'like' his kid.

I on the other hand do not want to reward disrespect in any way, shape or form. And so we have a stand off.

This is more his problem than mine. He is ruining his kid and does not even know it.

PolyMom's picture

^^^^^THIS^^^^
Is exactly the problem. I can 100% relate to "He is not in a hurry to fix SS' disrespectful attitude towards me because he is more interested in being satisfied that I 'like' his kid." Funny how the result is me not liking the kid.

MDawgs's picture

Or he feels bad for SD since she has to deal with her mother and he put her in the mess. Does that mean bad behavior should be tolerated?

Being a parent means doing the hard parts too.

MDawgs's picture

And yet I do love my SD. I just don't think bad behavior should be tolerated from her. And I guess that means not tolerating it from her father as well.

There is no getting out of this as a stepparent. We are never allowed to say anything that can come off as a criticism, even when I am just expressing myself. I could have said: whoa she's being a bitch. Which over the weekend when she was bad, I did say, oh my gosh that was bitchy behavior and then I asked DH to address it, which he never did.

But saying I'm glad I don't have to be around that for the next few days, that's a no no. Because it's hurtful.

Such a sad world of double standards. No wonder second marriages fall apart and step parents have a difficult time bonding with their step kids.

z3girl's picture

^^Totally this^^

My DH isn't even speaking to SD24 right now. He doesn't believe she is making good decisions in life, among other things.

Years ago, SD24 bit DH and drew blood during a fight. She was a day shy of 18. I was horrified, but DH even said to me that until I am a parent of a teenager, my opinions are wrong and don't matter. She is now in legal trouble for domestic violence and has to go for counseling to determine if it's situational or she's abusive. DH said to me that it's certainly not situational. How many want to bet what the reaction would be if I were the one to suggest that??

Yeah, it's only ok for them to make negative comments. Not fair, but is what it is. I just keep my mouth shut now and inwardly smile when my thoughts are proven right.

still learning's picture

He's definitely ruining his kid, wish he could see it. Once you allow kids to disrespect anyone they will think it's alright to disrespect everyone.

PolyMom's picture

This is also my problem. I'm fully aware that in these situations I need to pick my battles, and sometimes, it's just not worth it. I'm a total "wear my heart on my sleeve" kind of person, and herein lies my issue. It's very difficult to hide the fact that something is bothering me. I'm currently experimenting with just keeping myself busy and distracted so as to not let all the tiny little monotonous annoyances that have stemmed from the big one get to me. DH is well aware of how I feel with the big one, and he is dealing with it, so I don't want to, as you said "add insult to injury" by beating a dead horse.

Am I doing the right thing by masking my frustrations, or just a generalized explanation of "Dinner last night was frustrating for me, so I just left the situation, because I know you're handling it" might be better.

IDK, what do you think?

MDawgs's picture

Yes, we all have to pick our battles and I do. I let a lot of other things slide. But on the subject of not tolerating bad behavior, to me that's important. Because as parents, step or not, I believe that we should all help to raise a child that will be a good and kind person. I actually let a lot of things slide, but day after day of bad behavior with no consequences, no talk about it, not even an apology, that's not ok in my book, because said child, no matter who the child is, will grow up thinking that it's ok to behave that way.

I think in life, we have to suck it in and mask our feelings to a point in our positions. But when we do express something, we have to be kind and not malicious and in return we should be treated with kindness.

MDawgs's picture

Actually. DH did agree that SD was being mean and snappish, it started when we got her from her mom's. We had a conversation about it and it wasn't a complaint. I kept asking DH to address that and tell her in a kind way that this isn't ok. My complaint about the initial behavior was "it was hurtful what she did and you should talk to her about it. ask her what's going on, why is she in a bad mood and tell her it's not ok to take your moods out on people." I kept asking him every day until he pushed it off to the last minute. He kept saying he agreed that he needed to talk to her about it but forgot every day. There were even two other things he needed to talk her about and he didn't do any of them. I told him that he should try to talk about it, he got defensive and he didn't like it and started yelling at me. So we had an argument over it because I didn't like him yelling at me. We talked after he was yelling at me and and was done being defensive. He felt bad and realized that the behavior couldn't be tolerated and part of it is that he needed to lay ground rules. So he did already go off on me and yelled at me when I brought up the subject of SD's behavior. He admitted that he needs to give her boundaries because he never talks to her about her behavior or corrects her when she's sulking, rolling her eyes and generally being rude. I told him I need to disengage and he got mad at me for doing that. I moved beyond all of that, got over the argument and his anger at me.

Unfortunately DH then raised the point in the car with SD while dropping her off. Which isn't ok in my book either because that's not fair to SD, the right way was to sit down and have a discussion in a kind and loving manner, not a short 5 minute car ride. I pointed out to him that what he did was not fair to her, that it's not conducive to a good discussion. He even agreed to that after getting over his defensiveness. Of course in response, SD got defensive and mad, she never gets reprimanded so yes she will not like it when her dad does this. She then later came by our place and didn't say hi, didn't talk to us, grabbed her stuff and then left without saying goodbye. He was shocked.

DH was even saying that her doing so was bad and that it shouldn't be tolerated and he needed to talk to her about it. He said that was inappropriate, complained about SD and then I said what I said. I wasn't complaining about her or degrading her, I was complaining about her behavior and I can totally see why my comment would hurt him. I even told him that, I said that I am sorry I said something that hurt him but I asked him to understand where I was coming from and not just get defensive. He's said exactly the same thing about her before. But it is also his responsibility as my partner to lean into me and know I wasn't being malicious and that I do love her. I was talking about her negative behavior. I would love to have here full time actually and I do love her that much. He's said before that he wants me to be exactly like a parent and that I have equal say. The way he treated me in the argument makes me feel that this isn't true and also too hard to even possibly true. And anyone, anyone, wouldn't want to keep being treated like the way SD was treating us.

I told DH that I love my SD, and that of course I want to be with her but I didn't want to be treated disrespectfully. DH gets very defensive so it was too late, he blew up at me, yelled at me and said I was fucking disgusting, fucking sad and told me to go run back to my mom. And no I am not tolerating the fact that he is calling me name. He wouldn't even apologize for it until I called him out several times on it.

So anyhow, my vent and frustration on this forum is because we as stepparents are not allowed to complain even if it's not malicious, and that we have to frequently take what the SK does, waiting for our partners to discipline them, but then our partners expects us to be all in. My problem isn't even with SD, how can anyone expect her to behave in a kind manner if she's never been told boundaries or have had consequences for treating someone poorly.

My problem is with my DH. Bottom line, yes DH shouldn't be treating me like that, and shouldn't be blowing up. Which is why last night after he yelled at me and called me names, I told him I am done and I am out and I don't need to be with anyone that treats me like this. DH not SD, I have had enough of his anger issues, the defensiveness and the double standards. No I don't believe that I deserve wrath, or that anyone deserves wrath. I believe in sitting down and talking about it. No matter what. And that in a partnership, you owe it to your partner to control your own emotions and give the other person the benefit of the doubt and talk it out. Respectfully, I disagree that I brought down his wrath.

MDawgs's picture

You are right, I can't expect him to have the same values if I don't talk to him about it. And I don't expect us to agree on everything, he has a right to his opinions. End of the day, he has final say for how he wants to bring up his child. But you see, I did talk to him about it and he agreed. At which point, he was the one who decided that he wanted be the one to talk to her about it and not me. I have no problem talking to her about it and I do and I will. But if my DH says he will be the one to do that, then he is the one to do that. I am respecting my husband when he decides he wants to be the one that does it. I actually have been the one correcting my SD more and he lets me do that. But I also want him to have his share of the corrections, which is another thing we discussed and agreed on. He shies away a lot from doing that even though he says he should. And when I said we all should help to raise a child, I meant me and my DH. Every household is different.

I do take his feelings into consideration, which is why I support his decision and even apologized for hurting him even if I did not intend to. But the problem is this, he isn't taking my feelings into consideration when he gets angry at me and he starts calling me names. Anger is fine, sure, when it's expressed in a healthy way. When he is yelling at me and calling me names. No.

My husband does not have to share my values and beliefs, which is why we discuss things. We do read books together, talk and even did go to counselling. He agrees that her behavior is not tolerable. And he agrees that he should give her boundaries and consequences for those behaviors. There is no problem with that. We are on the same page with how she should be expected to behave. The problem is that he called me names and instantly got mad at me and defensive for something he has said about before himself. He also has no right to just resort automatically to being defensive, to call me names and not give me the benefit of the doubt that I was not meaning anything malicious. Yes, I do not like that current behavior of hers, her being mean to us. And that is temporary if we correct it. I do love her and I do like her. A lot. Believe it or not, SD and I have a good relationship but I am human and when I am treated badly, it does hurt. It is on me to correct her too, I agree, I usually do but DH wanted to.

But my Dh's treatment of me, that's the issue.

MDawgs's picture

I did demand an apology and told him he isn't to speak to me that way. But he ended up yelling even more anyhow. At which point I said again that he isn't to do that. Thus my vent here. But please do not assume that I didn't express this to him, or that we didn't discuss SD's behavior, or that I don't correct SD or that we weren't in agreement, or that I expect my DH to agree with me without previous conversation or that we haven't consulted help. I do expect him to try to understand me. And no I do not deserve his wrath if he's name calling me and yelling at me. I said something hurtful to him and yes it hurt him and made him angry that is fine, but wrath at me or anyone, no.

Like I said, I will admit and have admitted that my comment hurt him and I have apologized. But I had no intention of hurting him. But there is also this option of responding: "Hey, that comment you made hurt me and I don't like that. I don't like when you say that about SD, can we talk about that? Because that hurts" To which I would have responded with an apology right away and saying that I have never intended that. We could have talked about it. But I didn't get that chance. He can correct me, of course where I am wrong, but come down on me and deserving wrath, indignation and resentment? No I disagree with you and certainly hope that no unhealthy expression of anger is tolerated. And I guess, at the end of the day, you and I can have our own opinions.

And this is what I am posting about: why is it ok for a bio parent to say the same exact thing and not a step parent? As much as I love SD, I never flipped out when he says that same statement about SD and I never think he's malicious and mean. To me, he means that he is tired of the behavior and can use a break, that he is happy he gets that break. Any parent, step or bio sometimes needs a break. I wouldn't think he is insulting SD, because if he is, I wouldn't tolerate it either. If he was to say that SD was a bitch, I would protest. But it's an expression of relief to not be around that particular behavior.; In both my position and his, we have to treat each other with kindness and trust that the other is not intentionally hurting us, also giving the other the benefit of the doubt. But this is where it breaks down.

The funny thing is that I grew up in a blended family. And when my parents told each other and the kids that they each had full parenting rights over all and any step and bio kids, they both meant it and we all knew they meant it. There were never any questions.

MDawgs's picture

well probably because you said: "brought down his wrath on yourself" Can you see how what you said can be taken by me or any other reader as I did that to myself? I think it would be good if maybe you can also see how your words can affect other people.

I disagree that wrath is justified. And my initial question is what is it ok for the bio parent to say the same thing I am not allowed to? I feel like other posters have addressed this but this thread hasn't. In any event, DH has admitted to me that he mistook/misinterpreted what I said and that he was wrong to do and I wasn't insulting SD.

What do I do, I ask him to leave. And if he doesn't I leave, first the room and if it doesn't help, I leave the house.

AVR1962's picture

In my personal opinion I treated my bios and my steps equally but then my inlaws would make comments if they saw anything that would flag to them that their little precious was sad and therefore I had to be the culprit. It got real old. I did have a great deal of issues to deal with and bio and mom and dad just wanted to let everything go, they were boys so they felt everything they did was just boy stuff. There were many fights that broke out between me and my husband because I didn't feel he was stepping to the plate as a father to his sons and he was not very supportive of me when I had to deal with them. I ended up picking and choosing my battles and realized I was on my own to deal with them. Eventually I got where I felt I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't and nothing I could say or do was right and I distanced myself from my steps.

MDawgs's picture

It's hard isn't it when people around you don't give you the benefit of the doubt. I told DH I wanted to disengage, not because of the kids but because of how he is and that I wanted him to do the parenting himself instead of resorting me to do it. He got mad at me initially, and then agreed that he hasn't been able to set boundaries and consequences. So he let me disengage. And I'm sticking to that from now on. Because I totally get you and felt how you felt, damned if I do, damned if I don't so I might as well take care of myself first. People do think of the kids, but few people consider the parents feelings, steps or not, and how it hurts and how hard it is to be vulnerable. And how for a lot of us, no matter what we do or say, there is always someone who can criticize it.

This whole process has made me really admire my parents who both treated all of us with no differences. It's actually a possibility. In fact, my mother cares for and lives for her own stepfather after her mother has passed.

AVR1962's picture

Here's what gets me too......BM might get upset with one of the boys and chew him out, she can lie to her sons, she can abandon her boys, she can have them or visits and not spend time with them but instead go out with hr friends and leave them with her husband, she did not attend one baseball game, one football games, she was not involved in their schooling but was she faulted for any of it? NO! I was faulted for every move I made or didn't make.

My ex had an affair, he too left me with 2 children, no child support, he left me with a pile of bills, he lied to family and friends about me, he was never consistent with our girls....didn't call, gifts were far and few between, he went on to ruin is second marriage, he couldn't keep a job and he continued to cheat but my oldest daughter worships the ground daddy walks on.

So the parent that abandoned their children and treated them like they were unimportant now have the relationship with the children. Neither were parents to their children. I think they fear that abandonment again and know that they have to love and admire that parent, they cannot anger them for fear they will walk out of their lives again. I was the one there for them thru thick and thin, I was the one who was being a parent and not a friend and I hope one day they will realize that.

still learning's picture

To sum up this thread about speaking out as a SP: You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be held against you...