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Co-sleeping. Relationship ruiner??

Kona_California's picture

My BF and his ex have always co-slept with their son and he's now 4. We've been together for a year, I have my own place, and I don't have kids of my own. When I first started seeing my BF and he told me this, he right away expressed how terrible it is for relationships. Well yeah, how can you be intimate? Plus, at what point do you transition the kid to sleep in their own bed? Not to mention so many people's sleep being disrupted throughout the night. I've heard of some kids sleeping with their parents until they're teenagers and it personally weirds me out. 

My BF wants me to move in with him, but I told him there's no way as long as his son needs him to be next to him in order to fall asleep. Not only that, but bed time is a nightmare in general. We put him in bed at about 8 - 8:15 and read him a couple books, and say it's time to turn off the lights. It isn't completely dark though, and he has a flashlight and a cup of water on the night stand.

Recently, it's become a long, sad battle. He's been talking to his son about how he has his very own room and very own bed, and that while he sleeps, he and I are right in the other room. This is to start the transition of him falling asleep by himself. BF hasn't yet put him to bed and walked away yet though. He'll still lay there in some way until his son falls asleep. When it's time to sleep, he says he's hungry, he wants to watch TV, he has to pee, and BF will either cave in to some of those or give answers that avoid the word "no." Once the son's attempts have all been exhausted, he starts crying for his mom. Like, hard, painful, crying with major tears. Last night, it was obvious he was really tired at 7:30. But by the time he was in bed at 8, the battle started, and he cried hard until he fell asleep finally at 9:45. 9:45!! 

I always leave the room after books and say good night, and go in the other room to watch TV. It really sucks not being able to spend time with my BF for hours because of having to put the kid to bed. BM is definitely still co-sleeping with him, so I'm sure that has an effect.

Once his son is finally asleep, he usually wakes up the middle of the night at some point (recently multiple times) and will cry and scream for his dad to come to him. BF will wake up and lay next to him until he goes back to sleep. (up until about 6 months ago, BF would FLY awake and sprint over to him as though it was a fire, and trampled my legs a couple times. The only progress is he slowly gets up while he gathers pillows to go to the other room and console him.) Once night, I was woken up by him crying, and if I wake up first I usually wake up my BF. This might not have been the best thing to do, but.... I just let him cry and didn't wake up BF. I wanted to see if he could soothe himself back to sleep. But almost an hour and a half went by of him crying, and me hearing his cries echo down the street and the neighbors shutting their windows, and BF finally woke up and went over to him. Jesus. Christ.

I'm at a loss. My BF gets upset when I don't want to spend the night at his place when he has his son. I'm like bro. I need sleep, especially on a school night. Any suggestions from you all who might have experience? Please help!

 

momjeans's picture

I coslept with all of my children. The hardest one to transition to his own bed, was my youngest son. I started transitioning him at the same time I weaned him from breastfeeding, though, which was 6 months ago at 2.5 years old. We still have some doozy nights, and it’s difficult. Really difficult for some children. 

I really have no sage advice or pro tips to share with you to pass on to your boyfriend. The only thing I can recommmend is sticking to a routine (bath, books, 5-10 minutes of hang time in the child’s bed, then a “goodnight”) and being consistent. 

If I were you, I’d probaby just opt out of staying over at his house until he has gotten over the hump with the whole cosleeping thing. Even allotting extra time for regression with it.

Who knows? This may even light a fire under your boyfriend’s butt to really buckle down and make the transition a permanent one.

edited to add: my DH coslept with his daughter when she was super young (3, 4 years old) around the time he and BM were splitting and he got his own place. Once we started dating, he started to transition her to her own bed in her own bedroom. It was difficult for her because it was a huge emotional attachment issue. DH too. BM even had major issues with it. Once she caught wind of skid getting the boot, because I was in his bed, she’d call up screaming and putting a sobbing skid on the phone. It. Was. Ridiculous. 

Kona_California's picture

Thank you. Right now, BF has custody that includes every Friday and Saturday night, every single weekend. Even though you're right, not sleeping over would light a fire under his ass. It's hard though because we both want to spend time together on the weekend evenings.  I've been wanting to re-decorate and re-arrange his bedroom so his son can get all excited. I sent him a bunch of Amazon links to cool night lights and Lego Batman bed sets. BF is cheap though, and lazy (raised with everything done for him.) I definitely wonder if this BM would have issues about putting their kid in his own room as well. But I would think she wouldn't want him co-sleeping with both of us.

momjeans's picture

Been there, done that. 

DH and I went to IKEA and dropped a lot of money for skid’s bedroom at our house. All new furniture, room decor, fancy lighting, strings of lights to go around her walls, new toys, new books - and none of that mattered when it came to transitioning her to her room. 

Skid coslept with BM, too. For many years to follow after DH quit at our house.

I’ll never forget skid telling us that she slept in her mom’s bed at home, but that she had to sleep in her own bed when mommy’s friend stayed the night. You see, BM was against DH and I sharing a bed around her child, but oh, it’s okay for her to. 

notasm3's picture

So what if he gets upset.  Tell him to get over it.  Of course you can't move in while the child is off the wall.  Why is he so gung ho for you to move in?  Does he expect you to share expenses and help with his kid?

OverZoey's picture

The sooner he gets him into his own bed, the better it will be. My SD15 was still sleeping in the same bed as her dad when I started dating him, and she was 11. She continued to sleep with BM until she was almost 13!!!  Extremely creepy to me!!! 

Kona_California's picture

EWWW. Yeah, that's way creepy! That's exactly what I picture my BF's son doing with his mom until he's in high school! GROSS.

Maxwell09's picture

Never cosleep with a child that is not yours. You are opening up yourself for a whole world of problems if the BM or kid are crazy enough. Can you imagine if you were a 35 year old male cosleeping with his stepdaughter and her dad found out about it? Keep your own place. Study him and see how he parents and how open he is to your suggestions on changing his current parenting styles like cosleeping. BM coslept with SS and it caused us problems in the beginning because neither DH or I don't partake even with our own son and the few times we let him sleep with us, we regretted it. To help your DH approach this without coming in seeming like the big walking terror trying to sever love connections, suggest to him things like the milestones his son should be meeting, the independence factor and how excited he would be to have his own bed and his own blanket. At four he is passed due for the "big boy" excitement of using the bathroom on his own, dressing himself, sleeping by himself with a nightlight etc. 

Kona_California's picture

That's exactly why I definitely don't co-sleep with a child who isn't mine. If I'm there I'll sit on the bed and read to him (now he prefers I read instead of dad because apparently I make better voices). I totally agree about him being pumped for his own room at this age! He loves all the little boy things that are popular that we could decorate his room with. There's so much more awesome bedroom stuff out now than when I was a kid. BF still has the old crib in that room so I'm thinking once that's out, we can move things around and make it more his room officially, rather than a guest room.

NotEasy525's picture

Holy crap!! DO NOT move in! Not until this whole situation is completely done with. Meaning kid sleeps in his own room, own bed and at 8pm like he is supposed to without the excuses and crying! As long as biomom still allows this at her house though, it is gonna be a long battle for this poor child to transition at his dad's. Shame on the parents. 

I get my Skids (3 boys) every other weekend and the 6 year old ALWAYS comes upstairs to our room. It drives me insane. The one time me and my SO were in the middle of doing the dirty and his son came up! OMG. Not cool. So I understand the intimacy thing 100%, now when his kids stay with us we just don't have sex the whole weekend. 

Kona_California's picture

No I'm definitely not moving in while this is happening. BF spoke with a play therapist about the two different circumstances for the kid, and the therapist said the BM should be respected if she wants to co-sleep. His son will just have to learn that things are different at dad's.

UGH no way, that's horrible for you! Can you lock your door or something? You should be able to be intimate even if the kids are there. Part of me is glad my BF's son just cries instead of coming in and crawling in bed with us. Either one, though, is not good!

TrueNorth77's picture

Wait, Noteasy525. Why don’t you just make a rule that skids don’t come up unless it’s an emergency, and must always knock first? It took a couple of close calls of skids walking in on us (and The older one totally walked in right in the middle, luckily it was dark and we don’t think he really saw), but we made a rule about coming up for emergencies only, and always always always knocking first! It took a couple reminders, but they are awesome now and never bother us. 

As for Co-sleeping. I honestly don’t understand why this is a thing, and why on earth you would start it to begin with. It has trouble written all over it. No sex, and then the whole transitioning to their own bed debacle. No thanks. But BM let SD sleep with her and my SO, and only when she moved out did my SO make her sleep in her own bed. It wasn’t a terrible transition actually, I think she was 6, but then he would have to “lay with her” until she fell asleep. It annoyed me, because he would fall asleep for hours too, and sometimes we would be in the middle of watching a movie or something and I would be waiting for him. She is turning 9 this wknd, and the “laying with her” stopped about a year or so ago, thankfully. She kind of stopped asking him to do it I think. SD still co-sleeps with BM at her house, which I think is ridiculous...

I don’t know what to tell you other than that kid will not die if your SO doesn’t go sleep with him all the time when he cries. But I also don’t have patience for that stuff...

Kona_California's picture

I totally agree. I'm glad to hear someone talk about an end to it. 

At this point, I'm just not going to sleep at his place until he can finally get his son to go to sleep on his own and not wake up at night. Plus.... I have to get up early every day for work. Since BF has him both Friday nights and Saturday nights, if I'm at his place all weekend I literally never get to sleep in. Kid always comes in at 6am asking me to play. He's so cute I can never say no, but the burnout is real. 

Juliuscaesar901's picture

So my step son will be 9 soon and my bf still Streep with him no his bed every night, when we first met he said he was obessed with his son which I took as adorable. Now I’m in this relationship after 2 years and I constantly just feel like a third wheel that exists for companionship. My stepson does do much himself and I try my hardest to show him independence. But his dad constantly babies him. The co sleeping has made our relationship tank hard.

Kona_California's picture

Girl! So not OK! I would get my own place and say "let me know when there's space for me and I'll come back." That's so not fair to you! There's probably some deeper issues there, like guilt over a bad divorce or something.

Areyou's picture

He has no business trying to get sex or having a girl over if his 4 year old shares a bed with him. 

Kona_California's picture

You're absolutely right, and that's definitely not happening here. His son has his own bed and sleeps in it, and my BF and I sleep in a different bed in another room. His dad just feels like he has to lay next to him in order for him to fall asleep. 

Maria10's picture

Your BF is making an effort which is great. In order for his efforts to bear fruit sooner he should have a talk with BM about sleeping schedules and the like. Have you guys tried a sound machine? Or mp3 player with soothing sounds? 

As far as BF trampling you maybe both BF and his son could still benefit from a baby monitor. Just an idea. You might invest in a pair of earplugs too( yes I do own some industrial strenghth ones lol).

 

Both my SS were cosleepers. 

Ss12 still coslept with his brother(bm1 hand another son after ss12) at 10 ! Dh and I have a few jokes about it. Ss12 never coslept with adults except for BM1.

Ss6 was another story. Was 3 when we started and his BM2 slept with him in bed. She did not have a sleeping schedule... !!! Can you imagine when DH shrugged and told me his toddler smearing butter on the walls and playing all night long was normal!!! I said " Nooopeee siree Bob! He is getting a schedule here!.NOW!YESTERDAY!" So from then on he had a schedule and his own bed.

SS6 did not stop wanting to cosleep until BM got a new boyfriend.(bm and her now H are both 300+ lbs so SS could not fit anymore lol). He still has a hard time going to bed(2h at least) but we just go about our business after we put him in his room.

Kona_California's picture

Oh man, your story made me chuckle haha! It was a little similar with this situation. When I came in the picture BF's son just turned 3, and when I asked about his schedule he said "oh he just eats whatever he asks for whenever he feels like and goes and goes and I let him decide when he goes to sleep." Really...? He would end up falling face-first on the carpet at about 10:30pm. The poor kid lol. I did the same thing and said no, we need a schedule, and it's best for everyone for this long list of reasons. The great thing is that BF fully considers my opinion and recongizes reasonability. It sucks that I have to initiate it, but at least he's on board. 

You're right that BF is making an initial effort. I really would love to be at the point you are and at least be able to say good night and leave the room while he falls asleep on his own. In terms of setting the environment up, I've suggested a lot about music, night lights, decorating his room, plushies, etc so he feels better sleeping on his own. 

I think my biggest concern is just how much he cries and seems to be in so much distress at night. There haven't been a lot of comments about that so I suppose that's normal and part of it? When BF asked the play therapist about that she said "you need to talk to a specialist about that." (I that that's what she was.....?) 

Thanks for your input!!! Really helpful!!

skatermom's picture

When I first moved in with my now DH, the SDs tried to get in bed with us once.  I made up a new rule, no kids in our bedroom EVER.  I also installed a lock on the door.  Here is how it worked, we walked the SD's to their beds, put them in, covered them up, said goodnight, went into our bedroom and LOCKED THE DOOR.  

Sure they came to the door and cried, but we never opened the door up, we just yelled, "go back to bed!"  Now, 9 years later, no sleep probablms ever, no bedtime problems.

 

Kona_California's picture

Lordy that sounds absolutely lovely. How I wish I could impliment that! We do have a lock on the door but BF feels too guilty. Can I ask how they were when you started this?

New_to_this's picture

I think your SS needs a really consistent bedtime routine that your DH sticks to. Also, DH needs to not give in to the crying. Eventually when SS's cries aren't getting the attention of DH, he will stop. Your DH seems to be reinforcing the crying by tending to SS. It should not take hours. My bedtime routine for DS3 takes 30-45 minutes and includes bath and stories. DH used to sit with him until he was close to falling asleep as long as he stayed in bed, which took another 30 minutes or less. Now, we leave the door cracked open and he falls asleep himself. DS used to try to get in bed with us in the middle of the night and we allowed it. Big mistake! Now, we just tell him to go back to his room and he does. It's harder to fix it once you've allowed it, so just stick with a routine and don't give in and your SS will eventually figure out that his antics won't work.

My DH coslept with SD until she was 6 or 7 and I think the only reason that ended was because they (DH and BM) didn't want to cosleep with both SD and SS. DH allowed SS (7 years old at the time) to cuddle in bed with him in the mornings when I first met DH. DH ended that after I said that I would not be staying over if there was a possibility that a 7 year old would climb into bed with me. Not sure if co-sleeping has anything to do with it, but SD is an extremely clingy person now.

As a child I slept in the same room as my parents. It was out of necessity though. It was 5 of us living in a less than two bedroom apartment. When my parents could afford more, I got my own room (not until I was 8). I get that the transition is hard and it all of a sudden feels lonely in a room by yourself. But, I bet my parents were ectastic when they finally got their privacy.

Rags's picture

Nothing planting the kid in the middle of his own bed and instructing him to stay there won't fix.  Let him wail himself to sleep which is something that a good set of ear plugs will fix for you.

Each time anyone goes to comfort him, or find out what is wrong, or to yell at  him, etc... he is getting what he wants which is attention and to not have to go to bed.  No more water, no more flash lights, just bed, a quick kiss and  the adults go to their room and the kid stays in his.

IMHO.

Good luck.

Java_Junkie's picture

It's such an innocuous term. Let's call it what it is: Oedipus (or Electra) sleeping.

Building a great Mom/Sonsband (or Dad/Daughterwife) relationship.

Don't let anyone gaslight you that you're judging too harshly... THIS IS UNHEALTHY, even if it isn't creepy.

WEAK PARENTING.

I slept with my folks ONLY RARELY, like when something REALLY unusual came up (people coming in from out of town and not enough beds, camping trips, I was sick and mom wanted to be close by, horrible storms and I was scared (must have been just a few times in my life, usually once the storm was clear, I was back in my own bed and didn't actually sleep with them), but never creepy - never a habit or ongoing thing - and as soon as the reason for this passed, I was right back in my own bed.

But, uhh... ask around. Post-divorce sleep arrangements are often stipulated in decrees, where non-blood-relatives may not share a bed with the kid because it's - uhh - CREEPY in the eyes of the courts. If my SKids wanted to hop into bed for sleepy time, I'd leave the room... Forget that jazz!

oortcloud's picture

I think co-sleeping is a very personal choice, and while I co-slept (and still frequently snuggle with my four year old), I understand that not everybody is comfortable with it.

I agree that you deserve to be comfortable, and I think you have a good solution – sleep away when the kiddo is home. Don’t let Dad guilt you into staying and putting up with a situation that makes you uncomfortable. Dad has to make a choice, continue to co-sleep without you or take initiative with changing the situation so everybody is comfortable.

One extra note – a PP mentioned keeping to a consistent routine. I would also add that it is important to put the kid to bed before they are visibly tired or exhausted. It’s easier said than done, especially if you have a busy life, but kids have a much harder time going to sleep and sleeping throughout the night if they are too tired.

LosingHerShit's picture

In the beginning of my relationship with Dh, his kids tried to sleep with us because they were used to sharing a room with him. I flat put refused to sleep on a bed with someone elses kid and went to sleep on the couch. After 2 times of that happening he switched the kids to their own room and does not allow them in our bed. Good choice lol

Britnay87's picture

Please tell me y'all are still here bc I am having this same problem right now w my boyfriend and his 4 year old son. If someone could reply that would be much appreciated. I see this thread is years old. Please HELLPPPP!!