Taking control

Debz71's picture

I am a married mother of two children one with my husband and one with a previous partner who is not in my sons life so my H is his father full time - in my house there is the four of us who live there and we my H daughter 8yrs come to us every other weekend.

I met my H about 10yrs ago he had split up with his partner, she left him for one of his friends. I did not know him previously- we fell deeply in love and had an amazing time together it was different and we both felt it. I did not know at the time but his ex had started to write him essay long letters and constantly calling him. Basically once he had moved on and fallen in love she wanted him back. She told him lies about me and manipulated him. My H admits he was weak at the time and confused and basically says he needed a back bone! forward a few months- he did cave in and went back to her and broke my heart. We talked a few times he was still confused said he felt like he made a mistake and didn't know what to do. Then she told him she was pregnant after 6wks of being back together. They had been together for 6yrs previously and she had never accidentally fallen pregnant before (doesn't take a genius to work it out eh?) but he was also irresponsible at letting this happen. I walked away hurt and bruised. I stayed single for five years and concentrated on my son, went to university, gained a degree and healed my hangs up.

I loved him all that time and ironically just when I was getting to a place where my life was good and I was thinking i could explore the possibility of another relationship, he was back.
She had an affair with a friend of his and left him. He had tried under difficult circumstances to make it work and be a good father. He was devastated he would now be an absent father his worst fear. We started to hang out taking things slow, I was a mug to be honest but i still loved him as i held him together for a time.
It started from the beginning that his ex made our lives hell! she was furious we were together - although she was still with this man and was pregnant with the new guy within about 8/10 weeks of leaving my H. (Nice lady)

Forward five years - she has made our lives a living hell we have never had a moments peace, she abused us around our wedding a year ago, sent abusive txts on our wedding day, tried to play his family of against us, turned friends against us all with blatant lies, its exhausting. We sought out a lawyer- she now has a legal letter stating out minimum terms of contact i.e to communicate only through a contact book, or txt and only to confirm arrangements, she is only to call in an emergency, and no face to face communication takes place. He knocks at the door and walks to the car to wait for his D, and when he drops off his D and as soon as he sees the door open he drives away. If she breaks this she is liable for the costs for a molesation order to be granted against her.

This was a year ago- she is still trying to be resistant and abusive but we feel a lot better as we have the control back in our lives when dealing with a mentally unstable woman. Both her and her partner go out all the time and both drink and take drugs. Unfortunately there is still drama from her and other sources around his SD it never stops but there is not enough room/time to explain it all ..

The SD - we do not know what her home life is like. But we get from the SD that her mother is always out and hungover at weekends even on her birthday. She goes to extra curricular activities every night and then at the weekend is babysat. There doesn't appear to be much family quality time.
The SD is so needy when she comes to ours that she is unhealthy with the two boys fighting for attention and giving them no space. She is bossy and talk down to my 14yr old to the point that he shuts himself away and has little to do with her now. She was three when we got back together and he was 9yrs, she always tried to get him into trouble and my H went along with it we had so many rows and my son got a raw deal- he just switched off to her in the end and has no relationship with her now. She is also now smothering my two yr old, jumps in when he is getting attention, taking toys from him and trying to be his mother again be so bossy.
She also sit on my H at any given time, lies all over him, strokes him and follows him everywhere. It drives my H and me mad. We have both given her one to one attention heaps of it, I never discipline her as I feel its my H place to and she is so insecure I don't feel able to. BUT my H does feel guilty and makes the classic mistake of not setting out boundaries, rules etc and she gets molly coddled while the boys have strict rules they are expected to follow.
My SD talks in a baby voice and act very young most of the time, and when we are out socialising will again be all over the men, sitting on them, jumping on them etc, even if she doesn't know them- its so uncomfortable and I think worrying behaviour. She has a need to be the centre of attention is loud and very demanding of attention. she will literally go up and lay on her father or another man to gain this. She is 8 its no good. My H is wishy washy in his dealing with this. She also has no social skills and disrespectful on other peoples hom, has no manners/table manners etc although we try so hard to instil this in her.
She can be sweet and engaging with me- I make a fuss of her and do her hair take an interest indulge her but is never enough. She can also be incredibly rude to me talks to me like I am stupid and is incredibly disrespectful. Example me, my H, and the SD were playing a board game, I went and got a box of pringles to share, she snatched then from me across the board, my H did nothing. I took them back and gave her a few but if my son had done this my H would have pulled him up instantly. We were at his parents and his stepfather was watching a film and she snatched the remote from him and turned it to what she wanted to watch. No respect or boundaries are obviously being instilled in her at her mothers.

After five years of stress and drama around her I would have to write a ten page essay to outline it all and with stress from her behaviour when she is here. I have asked my H to let me have some space I sent of for some divorce papers as I could take anymore- my life has been dominated by my SD, her mother and the stress around them for so long I needed time to heal, to concentrate on my own children, and to see if me and my H could save our marriage. I have asked him to instead of having her at our house ever other weekend he take her out on his own every other Sunday instead. Giving me some healing time and head space, she will get her father to herself, and we can all see where we are at with this in 3/6 months time.

I understand she is a child, and most of this is a result of her dysfunctional mother, but I am also a mother and I deserve to be in a healthy place to make sure my own children are getting what they need. Our entire life has been dominated by one drama after the next about her even when she is not with us and then is so unpleasant when she is with us. I have tried so hard but I am drained, depressed and on the verge of divorce. When is it okay to say enough is enough?

InNeedOfGuidance12's picture

We all feel your pain when no boundaries or consequences are in place. If she's 8 now, I would get a handle on her. It is only going to get worse. My SD10 is now playing the manipulator game, realizing she can guilt her way into things. It is not a trend your family wants to continue. Less time with her isn't what she needs. My fiance and I just went through this last week. We sat down and I explained the benefits of boundaries and consequences.

I would tell him that she's learning she doesn't have to ask for something, she just takes it (pringles, remote). It may seem like a stretch, but if she has no consequences for taking without asking, who's to say when she's 16 she won't take something valuable or worse, shoplift. When I got involved with my fiancee 5 years ago SD was 4, almost 5 and SS was 14. He had no rules, no boundaries, no consequences. (He didn't have them at BM's house, did have them here, but didn't come around as often as SD.) He was not made to get up and go to school, BM was fined repeatedly for truancy. BM refused to send him to us for more structure. Fast forward 5 years-- He failed out of school, underage drinking, took BM care without permission and totalled it in a DUI that sent us rushing to the hospital at 3am.

While they are young and relatively innocent at 8, they need to learn consequences and have boundaries to know right and wrong. It is our first full weekend (we'll have her 5 days with the new year) that we are implementing new rules. Although I've always made my SD ask for tv, food, etc. She gets mad, storms off to her room, gets over it, and comes back.

I would explain to you H that he owes his daughter so much more. He owes her a parent. These conversations are tricky, because he may hear "you're a bad dad." Explain to him that you know he's a good dad, and you understand why he feels guilty & parents her more leniently. Then explain that the temporary happiness they both feel without the rules won't change the fact that she needs to be a well-adjusted adult, and that's his job. Clearly BM is not stepping up & doing it either.

I know this is a long response, but it's also a cautionary tale. This may not end well, and she may have to spend her early adulthood as my SS has, digging out of a mess they created because the parents didn't guide them, control them, or punish them.

Good luck to you! It is never easy, but hopefully he'll realize that she deserves a parent and structure!

Also, with the background you provided regarding the BM, I would warn him against raising a daughter with that kind of example. He cannot control her home life with the BM, but you both can attempt to counteract that when she's in your custody.

Orange County Ca's picture

Lacking the support of the bio-mother who has the child 12 out of 14 days you and your husband are going to have very little impact on how this child behaves.

And it sounds like Daddy doesn't have the back bone to try and parent the kid so you're going to have to give him some. Either he shapes the kid up or he takes her elsewhere for those weekends. A motel, grandmas, camping - its his call but not in your home. By 'shape up' I mean if he has to stand over her every minute she is with him - minute by minute supervision. He makes the kid stick to him like glue and corrects every mis-step.

The alternative is you leave with your kids on a holiday every two weeks which I realize is probably impractical but the threat can be made - on his credit card of course.

Disneyfan's picture

The poor child has two loser parents ~ both of them are cheaters. They are to busy jumping in and out of relationships to parent their child.

With the example her parents have set for her, chances are she will grow up to make an awful mate and parent.

xtina's picture

I agree completely and I think the OP is doing the right thing by divorcing. No one wants that life for them and their children!

Debz71's picture

Thank you for your responses - the thing I really like about these forums is people speak the truth, when you talk to friends and family about these issues it will always be sugar coated.

I agree I made a mistake going back to my now Husband so soon after his split. I should have been stronger and given him a year to sort out his life, relationships etc.

I agree also that he has been weak and spineless - and is still being so with his D parenting though guilt. We do not have the option to take full custody of her firstly she does actually idolise her BM, secondly it would be world war three her mother is actually the most manipulative person I have ever met with huge problems - this is not another bitter, insecure woman blaming the BM I know it could sound like that BUT she is actually a nightmare. We also do not have the room she currently sleeping on our bedroom floor when she visits and has a small space for her personal things, she can't share with my older son he is 14 nearly 15 I don't think it is even legal in the UK.
And the babies room is a box room.

What we are going to try is for the next 6 months - My H is going to have her on Sundays away from the house or for a full weekend away from the house. To give me a chance to have some time to breath, recover from what has been a hellish time for five years with no let up, heal and get myself back together, my strength etc. To also give us some time to rekindle our marriage and see if its workable the only way that is going to happen is some time out. I have stated that he needs to deal with any difficult situation with the BM on his own and not bring it to my door. I know it sounds selfish but I am close to cracking up for good and we would defiantly be divorced within 6 months if I don't get some space. MY children also matter too!

The SD will be able to have one to one with her father without us around I think this will be good for her - He also read the replies on here and it has finally sunk in that he has failed her and needs to take control like it has been written, she is 8 - it is now or never when these rules of behaviour should have been in place already. After 6 months one weekend a month we will try to have her in the house again with the rules, and boundaries in place and take it from there.

I am feeling my way around in the dark I don't know if any of this is right but I cant keep doing what I have been for myself, my sons or my marriage - and it is no good for her.
I feel like time out is reasonable i get frustrated that because she is a child us SM should just keep taking it year after year, regardless of our own mental health and with little consideration to the other children. I wish we could work with the BM more than anything as I know there are limits to what we can ever hope to achieve while her home life is as it is.

Debz71's picture

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post -Cheri and Sue. I agree in part with some of what you say.

Sue my eldest child is also in the step child position, although slightly different as he lives with us full time. BUT unlike my SD he has had to deal with total abandonment from his father, yet another Christmas just came and went without so much as a card from his Bio-father. We have some teenage difficulties with him but nothing extreme or out of the norm. My other son that is mine and my husbands is only 2! - I don't agree with what you said regarding sending my sons away as I am prepared to disengaged from my SD. I have come to this decision after being driven to the end where I am looking at divorce, I am suffering from insomnia, stress, and feel depressed and consumed by all the stress and drama around my SD (Not all of this is from her directly)
My sons already go through so much also due to this situation - my SD gets so much one to one from us both - from her mother she get 5/7 holidays a year, and ever gadget, toy, and activity you can think of, yes she lacks some quality parenting and I agree from both her parents. BUT she gets to see both her parents unlike my son who never complains, and is level headed and respectful etc... So why should they pay the price for her bad behaviour when it already has such a negative effect on them. My son never acted that way even when he was 8 and had experienced way more upset and pain??????

(Cheri and Sue) I read both of your posts and all the articles with great interest - I do think we need to concentrate on my H- parenting his D with rules, boundaries, and instil respect in her etc. And I agree that no part of his failure to do this has anything to do with anyone but him. BUT the BM is a problem I feel like I am always clearing up her mess and having to deal with the consequences of her lazy parenting. SM should not have to take everything that is thrown at them regardless of their own children and their own mental-health - Or that they leave and divorce -where is the middle ground?
All this means is that the SD rules everyones world even more- some responsibility does lay at the child's, feet 8 is old enough to know right from wrong.

I accept 6 months is too long but I am going to take some time out - and then my H needs to shape up or he can leave permanently.

This is going to a problem as suddenly starting to enforce rules will cause more problems to start with I know - maybe its already too late who knows.

All members of a family have equal rights and if one member is causing some problems that are effecting all the other embers then there needs to be consequences right?! - So there is some contradiction going on here. All the replies talk of consequences for bad behaviour- well one of those consequences is not being part of this unit until she shapes up big time!

Your replies have helped me and I am sorry to be resistant- me and my H will stop focussing on the BM she will never change and we cant do a dam thing about the way she lives or parents ( You have all helped us both here ) ... But I do struggle with this whole concept that the SD being a child means that all the rights of the other families members go out of the window - and maybe this attitude is why SP are still dealing with these issues when the SC is we'll into adult hood. being a SC child does not mean bad behaviour should be tolerated

P.S - Already looked at parenting classes for my H unfortunately due to cut back there isn't any in my area, we live in an affluent area so I guess there isn't much need for them, terrible really - My H has been reading these posts and read the articles and I he is shocked at his own lack of parenting and realises he has failed us all - can he turn that around time will tell