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Advice on forcing bio D to spend time with SM

Frustrated4ever's picture

I am friendly with my ex-H.  We have one child, D20, together.  Our D20 is amazing - and I am not just saying that with rose-colored glasses.  Her SM - who is total trash / lunatic / violent / drug addict etc.  has been utterly cruel to her.  Destroyed her room, remained holed up in the house for 4 weeks whereby I had to get a police escort to get my daughter in to get personal belongings because she wouldn't allow her or my ex in, etc.  The list goes on and on.  Anyway, my D20 remained active in all school activities, editor of the school paper, MORAL, etc. - whereas many children in her situtation would have use that as an excuse to fall of the rails (or find their way to a pole as SM encouraged her bio daughter to do at age 16).  What is most shocking is the fact my ex (who is financially and professionally set) took this troll back literally on the courthouse steps to avoid paying thousands of dollars of alimony.  Anyway, my daughter has no interest in dinner at their house being around her etc.  The last time they all got together SM got hammered, tried to fip a table and screamed "don't make me cause a scene" at a restaurant.  Needless to say, anyone would want to avoid that.  Now my ex refuses to see our D20 unless SM is there!  He was livid that D20 didn't text or call his wife for her birthday and called me to vent!  I was like does she ever call D20?  He was like no she is not like that.  So all in all, I believe neither my D20 nor her SM want to have a relationship with one another and my ex is threatening to stop having a relationship with D20 unless she relents......  

What the he** am I missing here?  

 

amyburemt's picture

Your daughter sounds like she is on a great path to success in life. I would honestly step back and let her make that decision. I would hope that her dad would see that even if a relationship between sd and sm doesn't work out, the relationship with him could still exist.

Steppedonnomore's picture

If your Ex is asking you to intervene remind him that your daughter is an adult and perfectly capable of choosing with whom she has a relationship. 

twoviewpoints's picture

Your DD20 is an adult. Stay out of what isn't your business.

If her Dad insist on having to only see his daughter when and only when his wife is present, so be it. I'm sure SM is the one making the demand. Sm is going to lose this one and Dad will lose what little relationship he has with his daughter. His choice. 

No mother should try and force their daughter into subjecting their selves into such a vile ordeal. Screaming table turning loud mouth drunks? Seriously. I wouldn't put up with this wacko woman , why would I encourage , let alone, try an force a young adult to? Luckily the young lay is now an adult and free to make-up her own mind without being under pressure of a CO. 

Yes, she does risk the lost of having her father in her life, and for that I am sorry. But what  kind of relationship could they possibly have when the nasty woman must also be present? When DD marries and begins to have your grandchildren, are you going to try and force your DD into subjecting the kiddies to this extreme behavior of their  step grandmother just so they have a paternal grandfather? I'd hate to think small children would be on the opposite end of a flying table.

Stay out of it. Yes, you Dd is hurting over this I am sure, but whatever decisions and actions your DD makes from here on out are hers to make. My suggestion is you cease discussing your ex with your DD when it comes to this. If Dd needs someone to help her sort of her feelings on her father, recommend therapy. It sounds as if the poor young lay has certainly been put through the runner by her father and SM. Perhaps counseling could help her build coping skill toolbox to deal with her father without involving you. 

Give her a hug and quiet support in whatever she decides. 

Frustrated4ever's picture

I totally agree.  My daughter said the same thing - no way is she going to have her kids around this monster!  I totally support her not going around.  I just wish my ex would see what an idiot he is being.

STaround's picture

I agree, if DD wants to see her dad, she can decide.  

Thumper's picture

Since you and your ex get alone farily well. I do too with mine. Anyway, maybe talk to him---HEY x, are you reallllly ok with the marriage your in? I am concerned. Our daughter loves you very much. (dont use but)

Our daughter also knows when to back away from unhealthy situations. Watching sm's name FLIP the table is grounds to stay away xh. 

Until sm has progress with what ever it is she is dealing with you relationship with everyone, daughter and me will change in the following way. WE will not put ourselves near it.

Screw dad and daughter going to therapy...his wife needs it. Until she is in treatment of what ever kind,,,stay away. Keep door open for dad when he realizes what his wife is.

Be proud of your daughter for knowing to walk away from that mess. 

notsobad's picture

Tell exH that you want nothing to do with any of this, DD is a grown up who can and will make decisions for herself. It is up to him to have a relationship with his daughter.

Tell DD the same thing. It is up to her to have a relationship with her father. Don't get caught up in the middle of this. Let them decide what their relationship looks like.

 

fourbrats's picture

his child and that will be his choice. My ex has done something similar. Our kids (23 and almost 20) basically have no relationship with him because he insists that his wife come along. He has met our older grandchild twice, has never met the baby (DS has two kids with his wife), refused to come to son's wedding despite his wife being invited because she would uncomfortable and when exes stepmom passed away a few months ago he barely said a word to either of our devastated kids but got angry when someone asked our grandchild if he was going to say hi to grandpa and he started looking for my husband, who is the only grandpa he knows. He sent an email making it clear to me that my husband of 17 years should never be called grandpa. I deleted it. I am there for my kids with advice and a listening ear but I will not get dragged back into co-parenting. 

Frustrated4ever's picture

I don't understand the logic of these men !  And these crazy women!  I am a SM and I would actually be thrilled if my skids and their dad spent time without me - I can have the house to myself LOL    

still learning's picture

"I am there for my kids with advice and a listening ear but I will not get dragged back into co-parenting."

^^Exactly how I feel when it comes to exH, he and I have 4 kids together, 3 are adults and the youngest is a teen.  I will still communicate with him concerning ds16 when necessary but he's on his own with the 3 older ones. Right now alll 3 older kids don't want anything to do with him mainly because of how awfully he treated dd23. exH wrote me this long email defending himself and wanting me to "talk to your daughter!"  Nope, sorry Charlie, you're on your own.  I'm there for her not for you, you lost the priviledge of me having your back a long time ago.  Can't wait until I'm completely done co parenting with him.  

Siemprematahari's picture

Your daughter is grown she is not obligated to see or be around SM. If SM is as toxic and full of conflict like you stated than I wouldn't want my child around her either. Either way your daughter made the choice to not be around her and that is her right. She wants a relationship with her father not SM and not sure why he would want his wife around knowing all the awful things she has done. I'm guessing that his wife has him by the balls and he is bending over backwards to please her so she doesn't wipe him out financially.

So saying all this to let you know that your daughter has a good head on her shoulders and she doesn't owe SM a damn thing.

Chelsearg's picture

stepmums like that give us a bad name! Your ex wants everyone to be happy and get along. But not everyone in life can get along. Your ex will loose his daughter in the process. He either needs to sort his partner out and seriously try and fix the situation to atleast a point they can be civil or he is going to loose either his child or his partner. But at this point he cannot have both in a situation like this