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Rumplestiltskin's picture

Last night was SS11’s 5th grade graduation. He was given 2 invites with 2 tickets each, so he gave his dad one and his mom the other. 

Yesterday morning, SS11 told SO “make sure and call Mommy to remind her of the graduation!” BM often forgets things. SO had SS17 handle the reminder. 

The ceremony seemed like it was going pretty well. At one point, i actually felt sorry for SS11. There was a behavior award given, and the kids were seated by class. For this reason, it was obvious that SS11 was the only kid in his homeroom who didn’t get it. I was angry for him. Until, that is, he went and showed why he didn’t get it. 

After it ended, he came up to us and said “Ms. Rumples, do you want to talk to my Mommy?” I said “I want to go look at that artwork over there on the wall.” SO said “No, we do NOT want to talk to your mom!” SS looked sad, so i told him “If you want to go talk to her (seated with her husband a few rows over), go ahead. Your dad and I will be over here looking at the art. Come find us after." 

A few minutes later, SS walks up, dragging BM by the hand. He walks her right up to SO, and pulls her hand to SO’s hand. They didn't actually join hands but it was awkward. He says in the babyish voice that he uses a lot “Mommy! Come see Daddy!” It was awkward, but we all exchanged polite but awkward hellos, and we went to the car. I thought the adults handled things well, considering. 

Once we got to the car, SO was visibly very angry. He said “I want to punch that mustache off his face!” He was clearly talking about BM’s husband, who was just sitting there quietly, but has recently grown a distinctive handlebar mustache. 

When we went home to pick up the other kids to go out to eat, i asked SO (out of listening range of the kids) if BM’s husband had said something to him or done something that made him want to punch him. He said no, he just hates the guy. I reminded him that it was BM who filed the ex parte, and BM who had the kids temporarily removed, and BM who made the false allegations. 

On the drive to the restaurant, SS11 was loudly crying. When SO asked why, he said “I don’t like hearing you say you want to fight Mr. BM!” It was a big drama-fest and a miserable dinner. 

My issues are 2. First, I also don’t understand why seeing BM and her husband together, after everything that happened, would make SO want to fight her husband.

Second, I don’t think SS11 necessarily understands everything that went on with BM, but he knew drama would ensue from trying to join BM and SO’s hands, right after SO told him he didn’t want to talk to her. SO just seems to think SS is too innocent to know any better, but i think it was sort of an experiment to generate drama. Like, let’s see what happens if i do this. SS didn’t deserve to be singled out at the ceremony, but his behavior is problematic a lot of the time and at 11, i think a lot of it is willful. He has made false abuse allegations at school against his dad, been violent toward younger kids, and i won't watch him alone because of some of his behaviors. I think he would benefit from counseling and an age appropriate explanation that he will be taken care of by both parents, but separately, and there are to be no more attempts to get them together. 

I am blogging mostly as documentation for myself, to refer to when things are good and i need a reminder why we can’t move forward and move in together the way things are now. We got back together and things were good for a while, but there was a recent incident with SO's mother (dislikes me, likes BM, wants SO to be with someone from their country and if not BM, basically anyone else from there will do.) I know how f'd this situation is. 

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fakemommy's picture

I don't know, it seems like SO handled the whole thing very poorly. Why can't he say, "We're going to look at the art, we'll see your mom later, but you can walk over." Instead of being aggressive about his mom. Also, saying he wants to fight anyone, especially BM's husband is a horrible example. SS needs both of his parents to act like parents and not children.

GrudgingSM's picture

It's good that you're documenting these things. I think both my DH and I are such optimist that sometimes we forget our track record in our domestic situation. We're so excited to believe it's all gonna work out this time, and past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior as I think rags said on someone's blog yesterday. It seems that you see all of these dynamics with a lot of clarity and can be both frustrated with SS, as well as feeling sympathy for him, and it's good that you can see him as a whole human being. A human being who clearly needs therapy but a whole human being nonetheless.

I guess In summary my comment just means to say good job taking care of yourself and acknowledging these things and creating a record.

advice.only2's picture

I don't know from reading your past blogs I get a sense their might be some sort of violent tendencies from your SO. Either way keep documenting because I don't think he's a person you should stay with much longer.

thinkthrice's picture

on BM where it squarely resides.  Not you, SS other than correcting SS's actions, nor Mr. BM.   I get the male ego thing.  Chef can't STAND StepDaddyBigBucks, but the best thing is to steer clear of each other and realize that they will be seeing each other for various events IF SS doesn't get PASed out before then.

CastleJJ's picture

It sounds like SS11 would definitely benefit from counseling. While his behavior appears spiteful and calculated, and I'm sure it is to a certain degree, some kids that experience chaos and toxicity in a household(s) try to create chaos due to anxiety. They are uncomfortable when things are calm because it is outside the norm, so they create drama and chaos because it is comfortable and normal for their household and it reduces their anxiety. I'm not saying that is what SS is doing per say, it's just a thought.

SS needs better role models. It is clear that both parents are poor role models and poor parents, especially based on what I've read from this and your other blogs. But, it's not your job to be that better role model for SS and I wouldn't be getting involved. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I suspect SO's entire family tries to create chaos to reduce anxiety. There are frequent dramas with the entire family. At the last family get-together at the parents' house, SO's 2 brothers had a fight. One said something the other didn't like. The other choked him and held his head on the floor. The one with his head on the floor bit the other and left a full set of tooth-shaped lacerations. The biter's wife started to tell him to calm down, and he then began hitting his wife. SO's mother intervened amd the wife stayed with her for a few days, and everyone in the family called everyone else all day and night for a few days to fret about it, but now it's business as usual. All involved brothers are in their 50s. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

It does. My family is, overall, pretty functional so i'm not used to a lot of drama. I want peace. I want my SO to want peace and to build a relatively peaceful life, but i am losing hope that it is possible. He likes to be with them frequently and talk to them all daily. This puts him squarely in the middle of the drama. I'm starting to think that the only way for him to escape the chaos is to distance himself from them, but he shows no desire to. He wanted to move in with me, but i told him no. My house is too small for one, and the drama is too big. I thought he would break up with me, but now he says he will move in with his parents. They dislike me and love BM. I don't aee this working. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

He says he wants peace, and i think he is making some effort, but he keeps falling back into the chaos. 

Exjuliemccoy's picture

"I suspect SO's entire family tries to create chaos to reduce anxiety. There are frequent dramas with the entire family."

You're very perceptive. This is the M.O. of my DH's people, but it took me years to understand why they (mostly females) seemed to go from crisis to crisis and so many are socially awkward. My DH's coping mechanism was detachment and avoidance, but they always wanted to suck us in. I've never known a family that had so many mental health issues - bad genes plus bad envioronment, I suppose. But anxiety presents in nearly a dozen of them.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Does your DH avoid his family's drama or participate? My SO tries to be the fixer or the rescuer in his family drama, but he has so much drama himself that the best he can usually do is offer his house for his brothers' kids to come to. Which adds to the drama and chaos, and only enables the brothers' kids dysfunction. He is currently keeping the biter brother's 9-year-old a lot. Before that, it was the bitee's daughters last summer which entailed false sexual abuse alegations and one police visit. Before that, the biter's older son by a different BM, who lived with him for about a year, and before that, the bitee's older son by a different BM who lived with him for about a year. As far as i know, all these people are too old to reproduce again, but the next generation is up to start having kids, then it's only a matter of time before they start having problems that require my SO to house someone. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

The judge ruled that both SSs were to go back to 50/50, and they were to be re-enrolled in their previous schools. So, in that sense, the judge saw through her BS.

But, SS17 spoke up and said the reason he didn't stay with his mom anymore and hadn't for the past 5 years was abuse from the mom. She would apparently beat him with TV remotes and ipads, force-feed him until he vomited and then make him eat again, and make him take cold showers as punishment for various wrongdoings.

Tge hudge ordered counseling for SS17 and BM to "rekindle their relationship." In the meantime, he could reside with SO but SO still has to pay CS on both kids like BM has them 50/50. BM kept making excuses as to wjy she couldn't attend the sessions, SS17 is with SO full-time, and it looks like SO will have to pay BM CS on him until he ages out at 18. And SO has a $9000 lawyer bill so he has given up fighting. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

True. He does keep SS11 after school on BM's week too, though. He gets off the bus at 3:30, stays until 5-5:30, then SO's brother picks him up and BM picks him up around 8 pm. So, BM keeps him from 8pm to bedtime on school nights (only on her weeks) and every other weekend. SO or his brother keep him the rest of the time and SO pays her. Prior to the papers being filed in August of last year, BM wasn't even keeping the 11-year-old on her weekends and SO was paying her. 

CLove's picture

So MUCH drama. I hope you are staying sane through all this. It doesnt look like this is sustainable long-term. But only you can decide that for yourself.

Keep re-reading your posts. This is what I do, so keep things in perspective.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

That's the main reason i posted this, to keep re-reading. When he said he wanted to move in with me, i re-read my posts and realized that, at this time, that would be a disaster. He has too many kids still at home and SS11's behavior makes him someone i can't live with. I was hoping that things could stay the way they are, until some of the older kids (his and mine) have launched and SS11 has matured a bit. Now, though, if he lives with his parents, i'm pretty sure that's the end.

What i also can't het past is his anger at BM's husband. When i asked him why he was so angry last night, he said that it was because BM told him she would be ok with only getting CS for the kid she keeps. Apparently before he filed the papers last August, they had a conversation on the phone where she agreed. Then, instead of agreeing, she did the ex parte and had the kids removed. He can't get over the fact that she lied to him. I said "Liars lie. What does that have to do with her husband?" He couldn't give me an answer. I told him that i have never had any animosity toward any of the women my ex husband has dated, because i'm over him. SO got really mad then.

But what else could it be, besides that he expected BM to have loyalty to him and keep her word, but since she didn't, that must mean her loyalty is to her husband? The husband seems to be a low life, but BM's actions were hers and hers alone! Before i came into the picture, BM and SO were really close. Sje was at his house every day. She cooked for SO in his kitchen. She called him about 5 times a day. Supposedly all this was all behind the husband's back. Is SO angry that now she isn't "his" anymore? 

CLove's picture

He isnt over her. He is still married to her in his heart of hearts. Thats the feeling I get, or why would he have so much anger.

You are better than that, you deserve someone that isnt still pining over their ex. It will eat at you. Dissecting it wont make you feel better, but it will get you past the point where you care and when you stop caring you will be able to let go gracefully.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Thank you so much for that. I know i'm not ready yet. I still can't seem to let go, but i also don't see how this situation is livable long-term. It's eating at me and i feel like such a coward for not being able to just make a decision and stick to it. 

CLove's picture

Sometimes the "death by a thousand cuts" does it, where incrementally things regress, or there is a BIG cataclysmic event that pushes things. Im currently in the "Im not ready to leave" mode, I need to get to a better stronger place. 

tog redux's picture

It is weird. My DH never has cared who BM was dating, except to pity the poor fool.  He certainly never seemed angry. If this guy hasn't done anything openly or behind the scenes to deserve DH wanting to slap the mustache off of him (though honestly, I kind of want to slap people with handlebar mustaches period), then it's hard to explain.

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

From everything you have said about the way SO and BM used to spend time together to his feelings about Mr BM it definitely sounds like jealousy. 

I think your feelings about the whole situation are accurate and as long as your SO still has feelings for his ex he will never be completely committoto you.

bananaseedo's picture

It sounds like he's just jealous..  Im sorry hon, that has to be hard and I'm sure it hurts.  He's not over her it seems, otherwise no reason for him to hate the guy.