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Doing the same to BM? Advice please!

overwhelmed_4's picture

Ok, so kids sports seems like a petty thing to squabble about but it's apparently going to create a huge issue over here. Let's start with some background info. DH and BM have joint legal and shared physical custody. We have skids thur-sun 3 weeks a month during the school year, split school holidays (although somehow she ends up offering us most of the time and we of course accept) and all summer with BM getting every other weekend. She ends up getting slightly more a year than we do. For the last 3 years she has always been the one to sign ss7 up for sports. The custody order says each parent will take kids to extracaricular activities and mother will make a reasonable effort to communicate with father before signing kids up for stuff. She has never come to DH before signing ss up for stuff and DH gets upset because we have him 3 Saturdays a month and she is telling us how to spend our weekend basically. We get over it bc ss loves sports and at least he is having fun.
BS7 plays football in the fall and BD8 cheers for the same team. It's a more demanding sport with practice 5 days a week and tackle football at that. Last year SS watched BS practice and watched quite a few games and says he wants to play too. We couldn't be happier and would love for the boys to play together! Last night DH called BM to tell her he would like to sign SS up. She flipped! Her arguments are that it's too time consuming and SS already is too rough in sports so she doesn't want to encourage it. Our response is that 3 weeks a month she only has to do 3 days a week and if she ever wants help taking him we are more than willing to help. Also, we feel football is constructive aggression. It also teaches stuff like teamwork better than any sport we have seen thus far. SS is normally a ball hog in sports to the point that other parents get upset and bring it to our attention. A sport where you HAVE to rely on team mates will be good for him. Plus, it teaches a lot of discipline and commitment. BM is big on "my time-your time" so I can see how she wouldn't want us taking SS to practice on her time. We will still offer it.
DH told her he was going to ask SS and base his decision on that (since their convo went no where. She said she's the mom and her answer is no). When we asked SS we reminded him of all the good and bad..."remember how often stepbro had to practice? How much he had to run and how he got tackled to the ground? Are you sure you want to do this? It's a lot of work and you can't be a quitter if we sign you up." He said he wants to play with his stepbro and it looks fun. BM said she is calling her lawyer on Monday. She technically has no grounds because custody order only says she has to ask father first. Nothing about him asking her. An oversight by her attorney I guess.
I feel kind of bad because it will be on her time as well, but she's done this to DH for 3 years. Granted, football is more demanding than most sports, but if you add up 3 years of her doing this to DH then he's still had to go along with her plans for SS more often. I also don't want DH to back down just because she threatens a lawyer over something as petty as a sport. A sport her son wants to play! BM is admittedly on anxiety meds to help with control issues and we almost feel she really doesn't want him to play because it wasn't her idea and my kids do it so she doesn't want to be a part of it. She doesn't accept that skids and my kids are part of a family at our house now (she said that at co-parenting counseling. That my kids are not a factor in skids lives, they just live together). We also live in the same small town both about 2 min from the football field. I feel like if we back down she will always use a lawyer to have control over whatever skids do. I'm kind of lost on this one.

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overwhelmed_4's picture

There is nothing in CO about final authority. All is says is joint legal and shared physical. We called a paralegal friend who read over the CO and says there are no grounds but technically she can take him to court just for the hell of it if she wants. I don't have thousands to drop on court like last time tho! Plus, how good is it for skids when parents are constantly in court? Over dumb stuff too! It's not like either parent is a bad one or anything! Urg. I'm just nervous I guess and we shall see if she actually takes it that far.

overwhelmed_4's picture

Technically speaking it says that both parents must take kids to extracaricular activities even on their time. I do feel bad doing something on her time especially since we don't appreciate when she does it to us. DH doesn't feel bad because he's sick of the control she tries to have. Ultimately if SS is signed up she HAS to take him just like DH did. DH asked for my opinion and I was torn . Just because she did something to him doesn't mean he should do it to her. On the other hand SS wants too and it's something DH is looking forward to doing with his son. I did also tell him that in the end I'm not the one who will be taken to court. It is hard to separate the "him" from the "we" tho as we do a good job operating as a family unit in our house. I will try to get better with my wording because ultimately the decision does fall on him and he knows that. Plus, if DH doesn't sign him up she will for something else that DH didn't want. It's a never ending circle of his wants vs her wants. That's why DH fell more on the side of asking SS what he wants.

ej'scrazy's picture

Funny, how that wasn't a problem when BM was doing that to the father. However, now that the tables are turned, now it's wrong? Unacceptable?

We have this issue all the time. For the first three years, BM scheduled all activities on DH's time. She paid at first, and then backed out from that aspect as well. No consultation despite a court order that stated "they must agree" to extra curriculars. CO now states, that if it is NOT on the parents time, there must be written agreement by both parties BEFORE child is signed up for an activity.

It's frustrating, for sure. I know the kids should not "decide," but at what point does the kids better interest outweigh what "BM wants" vs. "DH wants." BM does not agree with DH on anything he suggests--didn't happen when they were together, and it sure as hell isn't going to happen now. DH (in my situation--and sometimes adds to my frustration) actually considers BM's requests/demands and how it will affect the kids. He considers how it will benefit them, and the drawbacks as well. When he says no, he has it based on research into x,y, or z activity. BM says no out of spite, pure and simple. She has yet to give a legitimate reason for no. It's always, just "I said no. end of discussion." and walks away or hangs up the phone, or slams the door in dh's face.

In your situation, there are options. Option one, sign him up and take him on your time. If he misses on BM's time, he misses out. Option two, go to court, if BM instigates it. You will have the last three years to back up your claims that your DH has already been accommodating and it's now BM's turn. Option three, tell the kid the truth. BM says no, so unfortunately it's no. Yeah, it may make him frustrated he can explain to BM how he feels about it. Then she's hearing it from SS instead of DH (However, some may consider this PAS. I don't. You are being honest.)

overwhelmed_4's picture

We have discussed option two. If that's what it takes then so be it. Hopefully she and DH can find a way to agree over the season. It's a team sport and it would be a shame to not have him there as often as the other kids. BM has done other random control things over the years that end up making DH look like the bad guy. So far no one has told them it was BM's doing and I want to keep it that way till they are older and have a better understanding.

overwhelmed_4's picture

I'm slightly confused. Lol. Are you talking about how we have just gone along with her signing him up and not fought her? If so there are two reasons. One is that SS is told by her when she signs him up and fighting her afterwards would just upset him because he gets all excited about it. Two, we have kind of found a way to be a family in sports around the issue. Once she signs SS up we sign BS up for the same team. BS loves sports as well and for the last two seasons we have done this with basketball and soccer. That way everyone gets to see the kids play and boys are still happy. This one's just a bit harder because SS wants to play something our family does and didn't just fall into her normal plan and routine. Maybe we shouldn't have let it go and played along for so long. I don't really like confrontation and usually avoid it as best as I can. I obviously don't like DH being threatened with court tho when he tries to assert himself as a parent and do something fun with his son.

overwhelmed_4's picture

DH and BM do not get along, but do attempt communication. They actually had to put stuff about communication in their CO because it had gotten so bad. The way it always ends up is like this tho. Both are at fault for that one because both are stubborn people and need to look more to the kids rather than their hate for each other. I do like the way you worded some stuff tho and will pass on the info. Thanks Smile I also understand a mothers first thought when it comes to football. I had my reservations last year with my son. DH asked her to come check it out for the first week and try to base her opinion on what she saw not necessarily what she fears.

Lalena75's picture

Most coaches and sports get that some divorced parents are PITA and use it as a control issue, dad takes kiddo to sport on his day and if mom wants to deny her kid on her time so be it. Kid will likely either ve okay with that or drive mom nuts till she takes him and dad can do the same.
Let her drag it court she probably won't and if she does let a judge decide. But dad doesn't have to let sports.infringe anymore than mom does.