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Update to BM wanting "all of the adults to talk"- very long

I love dogs's picture

I must be a glutton for punishment because I can't seem to disengage. I want a positive relationship with SD and assured her today that I don't want her to feel replaced by the baby in January. I got paid today and we both need haircuts (I have been the one getting her hair done for a couple of years because we had a good hairdresser but she moved recently). I also had to get some things from Wal-Mart so I let SD pick out some dog toys and nail polish. She told me that she wanted to start wearing makeup (foundation) but had just argued with me about washing her face before we left the house. She is broken out on her forehead.

I explained to her that she can't wear foundation and not wash her face every single day and because she is already broken out, it'll make it worse. She agreed to wash her face daily and we got make up removing wipes and I told her I'd teach her how to apply it in the morning for church so she has practice for school.

She watches make up tutorials and also mentioned penciling in her eyebrows. She has thick brows like DH and I told her I don't really think she wants to do that everyday and told her we can wax them at the salon to shape them after we get out hair cut. She agreed but was nervous it would be painful. I reassured her it is not that bad and we bought her tweezers, too. I first got my brows waxed at 12 so I think she's old enough. SD is in 8th grade and her friends are doing these things and I know she has a crush on a boy in her class.

I texted BM to let her know so that she can help her shape her brows if she needs to on her weeks. They look very natural but I wanted to "tell on myself" so BM didn't think I was stealing her thunder. BM does allow SD to shave her legs so I figured a simple wax to shape her brows was safe and SD looks great! She's very happy with them. So here is the texting convo that took place between BM and me this afternoon- everything in parentheses are my notes to keep things clear:

Me: SD got a haircut and we shaped her eyebrows. They look really nice. She didn't want to shop for jeans or underwear but said that she has plenty over there to bring here if that's ok. She doesn't like the jeans I bought for her. (SD doesn't like shopping and assured me she has "tons" of jeans at BM'S. I know she wears the same jeans for days and offered to get her new undies since she threw a couple pairs away when she started her period a couple weeks ago).

BM: Underwear should be fine but she only has a few pairs of jeans at the house, it has been a struggle getting the few we have. Since I have you on the phone I have been trying to set up a parent meeting with the 4 of us but DH isn't willing. Any suggestions? 

Me: She wears the same ones all week and I told her she can't do that but we'll find some. Thank you. I guess your last talk at the shop in August (DH's business) didn't go so well so he doesn't want another blow up. He just wants the week on/ week off to be legal because he feels powerless. And we have had the shower planned for over a month and he really wants SD to be there so that's really important to him. I know it's a holiday weekend but we weren't expecting you to go out of town.

And he planned to take her to her orthodontist appt then drop her off at school on Monday (9am appt and DH usually takes SD to school on Monday to end his week. SD can also sleep in). Do you know how much the payment will be so he has it? (BM usually takes SD to these appointments but I took her last month because BM texted me to ask if I could and got the bill with the future appointment. BM paid $100 ahead of time. The first time we offered to take SD to the orthodontist appt on our time, BM said no, she'd do it because she had to make a payment. She had SD tell us that she'd pick her up from our house and bring her back but not a word to DH. When DH called the ortho office to ask about it, BM had her boyfriend listed as "dad" and they had to call BM to get DH authorized as the real father).

BM: I don't think you understand what happened. He cursed and spit in my face and since then he won't hold a civil conversation with me (BM had told SD that DH doesn't support her so he has no say in where she goes to high school. I witnessed this convo and SD indeed told DH that BM said he doesn't get a say in her going to a public high school out of their district next year. It's in GBM's district and BM went there. SD currently goes to a private Christian school that she's been in since Kindergarten and it goes to 12th grade. DH told BM that this isn't right and that they need to go back to court and get 50/50 on paper since it had been 6 months at that point and that she needs to respect him as a parent. BM doesn't want CS to go away so kept telling him that he "owes" her money to raise SD and he did lose his temper and told her to leave. I believe he did get heated and "spit" in her face from yelling, not just spitting at her. He would never do that to anyone). That's why it would be nice to have you and my fiance there. My focus is always SD and we need to be on the same parenting page. Thank you for everything. I have already paid for her braces (not true, there is a $750 balance on the receipt but BM likes to take all the credit). I am sorry I said anything. I love all of you and just want the best for SD.

Me: He just wants to be involved as much as possible and feels very defeated after everything in court (BM drug him through the mud for no reason for over a year and he just gave up. This started in 2013. She went from 24 hours a month in the CO to week on/ week off on her terms since March of this year. She still keeps DH in the dark and is a pro at playing the victim). I know he would prefer to go back and have an amicable agreement for making week on/ week off official and would like to know if SD can stay in town for the shower. I know she wants to see her friends that are coming (SD has also expressed to BM that she prefers to stay for the shower and got ignored. Now BM won't give anybody an answer until we have an "adult" meeting). 

Then she didn't respond. I have no idea what "parenting page" she wants to be on but she told DH that she is getting SD a tutor for math because of her failing grade even though DH talked to the principal and math teacher and got SD in-school tutoring and extra math help this week. SD is already understanding the material better. BM didn't bother to show up for that meeting on Thursday, by the way, even though she said she would be there. She drops her 4 and 5 year old off everyday so there is no excuse for her not attending, especially because she plays the MOTY card to elevate her parental status above DH. Once again she makes a parenting decision without DH like signing SD up for improv classes on his time without his consent and thinks it's ok because she didn't ask him to help pay for it.

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tog redux's picture

Wow, I think I've spoken 4 words to BM in the almost 9 years I've been with DH, and all of them were "hello". There was a period of time when DH and BM were totally unable to communicate and I actually considered being a go-between because in my anxious mind, I somehow thought I could make their dysfunction better.  Thankfully, people on here talked me off the ledge.

Repeat after me: You didn't cause it, can't cure it, can't control it. (Thank you, Al-Anon).

I fully understand the desire to fix things for DH because I tried it myself, it does not work, and it causes you a great deal of frustration. You can't control anyone else, not BM or DH.  And in trying, you just told BM that her efforts to keep power over DH are working fine and dandy.

If your DH was truly yelling so close to her face that he spit on her, he's got to sort out his anger at her.  My DH went through a period of intense anger at BM and he blew up at her once in a meeting with the law guardian - which forever cemented him as the "angry person" that BM was trying to paint him as.

Don't beg your abuser to take mercy on you - why is DH waiting for her to "make it legal"? Why in the world would she EVER do that? She's got him by the balls and right where she wants him.  If DH wants it legal, he needs to find his personal power and take her back to court.  So what if it drags out forever.  Go Pro Se so you aren't paying an attorney. Find an attorney who will consult with you on HOW to go Pro Se.  But for God's sake, stop thinking BM is going to "do the right thing" and make this sweet arrangement she has "legal".

You are trying to reason with an unreasonable person.  It took me a long time to accept that BM just doesn't see the world how I do.  She wants power and control and she will do what she has to do (including damaging her own child) to get it. 

Stop being the go between for BM and DH. He married her, knocked her up, and divorced her.  He has to deal with her.

Now, to SD - if you want to do those things for SD (shopping, eyebrows, etc), that's your prerogative.  But as the poster above said, don't expect any gratitude from her or BM.  She will always be loyal to BM and you will be expendable.

I'd suggest you just focus on you, your baby, your marriage, your work, and anything else you have in your life that gives you happiness, and let DH sort out his ex-wife and kid.

Disneyfan's picture

You complain about BM viewing dad as incompetent.    But your actions show that you share that opinion.

She's playing nice right now because she wants to take the girl with her during Thanksgiving.  But once that is in the rear view mirror, she's going to give you hell about the make up and eye brows. 

 You took it upon yourself to decide that those things were OK without giving mom a say.   It's very possible she wanted to share those firsts with her daughter and you took that opportunity away from her.  

Calling her after the fact, comes across as passive aggressive.  Making the call after doing the deeds shows that you knew that mom might take issue with what you did.

Why borrow trouble?  When the kid said she wanted to start wearing makeup, why not just say that's a conversation you need to have with your mom?

It's interesting how when SD wanted something that had no impact on you(dad taking her lunch to school)  you wanted to put a stop to it.

Yet when the kid wants something that will impact you when mom flips out, you are all in.

Mom might be crazy, but you are not exactly innocent.  

And SD has learned to play each and every one of you.

 

 

momjeans's picture

Ugh, I love dogs. Just... ugh.

There’s no virtue in engaging with BM. For the love of your unborn child - stop. 

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Oh, no. Just NO. Take your dog OUT of the DH/BM fight and step waaaay back. DH and BM need to adult and handle this on their own. If you they cannot, they need to go back to court. 

Booboobear's picture

Torture

StepUltimate's picture

My 1st thought is WHY would you give that woman any intel on ANYTHING - she is not your standard-issue, appropriate & sane parent, she's a manpulative liar.

For the same reasons we don't invite known pedophiles to the school play, don't communicate with BM... giving too much opportunity for their known f*ckery. You're letting her steal your thoughts, time, energy, and anything else thst gets put on hold due to BM's lies & drama. You're volunteering your position to the sniper, if you will. 

Others said it better than me, but try to step back & disengage. 

Livingoutloud's picture

Foundation? What??? Pencilling eye brows?? Waxing??? She is what, 10?

Why are you discussing custody arrangements with her? Where is dad in all this?