O/T - COVID Vaccine
So how does everyone on here feel about getting the COVID vaccine? DH and I are both eligible to get it through TriCare, but have both decided not to. About half the guys in his platoon have also decided not to get it and basically my whole office too (there is only 5 of us). I actually read an article yesterday that said 1/3 of military members are not choosing to get the vaccine. A big percentage of the reason is because they are not required to get the vaccine and for once have a choice about it, whereas the flu vaccine is not optional. The reason the military cannot mandate it is because it is not FDA approved so it cannot be mandatory.
Personally, as I have never had a child before and we are wanting children since there is not enough data on long term effects whether it cause infertility or what side effects a child I would have after receiving the vaccine, I am in no hurry to get vaccinated. If I was older, had children, and was more vulnerable, I would be more open to get it, but alas that is not the case so I am waiting. I am curious on other people's thoughts or what they have read up on the topic though.
Edit: I know TriCare is a form of payment, but as my DH is an active duty marine, he had to sign up to get the vaccination two weeks ago or deny it. He denied it and the half of the platoon who decided to get the vaccination received the first dose last week. What I meant for myself is when I am eligible to receive it, I will not being getting it. I worded things inaccurately to make it shorter and to the point.
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My husband got it. I haven't
My husband got it. I haven't been offered it yet, but am not against it. I am not running out the door to get it either.
I won't give it to my kids- not that they can get it yet anyway.
My sister is a teacher and is refusing it because they are TTC and there isn't information yet on how it can affect pregnancy and babies born after having it.
Is the reason you are not against it
because you have already had children and not looking to have anymore?
That is exactly how I feel! DH and I want to try for a child 6 months after we move to the West Coast and luckily he will be out of the marine corps before they make the shot mandatory because we don't want to risk not being able to have a child or not knowing the side effects of the vacination.
Fertility is probably my
Fertility is probably my biggest concern and since I no longer have a uterus, it is a non issue for me lol.
Long term side effect do also obviously concern me but considering my family history - I am probably going down with Cancer one way or another.
Tricare has nothing to do with eligibility
It is a form of payment. You will be eligible to receive the vaccine in your state when they have doses for the phase you are aligned to. DoD does not have enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone and their dependents at this point. While the vaccines do not have full FDA approval they do have FDA emergency use authorization. Just wanted to add that clarity.
You & DH can make your own decision on this and it is reasonable to wait until there is more data available for pregnant women & kids. We are seeing about a 15% declination rate in our workforce--both civilian & miltary. I hope as time passes that people will see that the vaccinations are safe and effective. I hope that people take the time to really understand how each of these vaccines work. No they don't change your DNA!
I am reading that some business sectors, particularly travel & hospitality, are going to require proof of vaccination or negative covid test to use services. I hope that drives people to get vaccinated. As a consumer I will spend my money where I feel safest.
Ive had my first dose. If I could I would vaccinate all of my loved ones right now.
Australia has waited for full
Australia has waited for full approval before starting vaccination as we are not in a bad situation.
We have just got approval for two of the vaccines and starting to vaccinate from Monday.
I will get the vaccine, but do not expect to get on the list for a while due to age group.
We protect not just for ourselves but others too.
The bigger danger might be mutations if we cannot pull this virus up.
I have had both doses and was
I have had both doses and was thrilled to get it. We are all at far more risk from COVID than from the vaccine. And if enough people refuse it we will never get out from under restrictions. COVID is here to stay.
Exactly
And the virus will continue to mutate which could have impact on the effectiveness of vaccines. And will be living this way forever.
I plan to get it as soon as I
I plan to get it as soon as I can when I'm eligible, which probably won't be for months. I'm not worried about the vaccine, but I'm not terribly worried about covid, either. I understand both viewpoints on the vaccine, as there's not a lot of data over time - especially for a young person without risk factors who is concerned about long term effects.
That is the issue at hand
Young people don't really know they are at low risk with certainty. If they don't get vaccinated they will continue to spread the virus which will continue to mutate, and those mutations will increase risk to all. If the only impact was to the individual that would be one thing but that is not the case. And while these specific mRNA vaccines are new the technology and science behind them is not.
Right - the mutations are
Right - the mutations are scary and we will all be wearing masks 2 years from now if we don't get control of it soon. And if we don't get herd immunity, then we don't get control of it.
Oh, I agree with this. And
Oh, I agree with this. And like I said, I'll be getting the vaccine as soon as I can. I am a strong advocate of vaccination and I get a flu shot every year. Every single health professional in my family has gotten the vaccine with no hesitation, including my cousin who is pregnant (OK, she hesitated and asked a lot of questions, but still got the shots).
That said, I am not in favor of forcing people to get a vaccine they don't want, especially if they have concerns about it. I do hope enough people choose to get the vaccine that we can stop the spread. At least for now, the demand in my area far outweighs the supply. But I know several people in my age group (20s) who don't plan to get the vaccine, including BM.
I will get the vaccine when
I will get the vaccine when it is available to me. The vaccine will help with reducing/eliminating the variants that can be more contagious and possibly more deadly. Also, I do not want to chance being a long hauler with cronic health conditions due to Covid.
When you are assessing
When you are assessing fertility and the vaccine, make sure you look at the risks of being pregnant and having Covid. There are studies that if you are pregnant and contract Covid there is a risk of severe illness and pre term birth. They are also right now researching whether or not Covid has an adverse effect on sperm.
Yes, this is very important.
Yes, this is very important. We also don't know the long-term effects of COVID, but what we do know so far is bad.
Absolutely cannot wait until
Absolutely cannot wait until I and DH can get the vaccine. I work for a health care organization that has been working on COVID and COVID vaccines from the get-go and I have 100% faith in the scientists I work with.
Sure, like any vaccine there are potential side effects, just like the flu vaccine. But it still beats getting COVID. It's about 95% effective (at the worst) and isn't that better than 0%???? If one is concerned about side effects, the vaccine sites are prepared for that. If you have that potential, you should be waiting at the vaccine site after both doses for at least 30 min to 45 min (you'll have to check this) before you are released in case of a reaction (and they should have epi pens available - seafood allergy and penicilin allergy are two to look out for). If you do not have an allergy then theres' no reason to not do it. Vaccines are safe, effective, affordable and PREVENT DISEASE. Herd immunity is NOT a good thing and we are no where close! Vaccines help us get to herd mmunity.
You only have to wait 15
You only have to wait 15 minutes, 30 if you have a history of allergic reaction to vaccines.
I had a sore arm both times, and then after the second Moderna dose, everyone on my team (and my DH) felt pretty lousy about 18-24 hours later - just for 12 hours or so, and then all was well.
I work in infectious disease,
I work in infectious disease, and the fertility issue has come up. COVID has shown to impact fertility, particularly male fertility. There is no evidence that the vaccine has an impact on fertility. While the vaccine for COVID-19 is new, vaccine development and research on coronaviruses is not.
I am getting the vaccine as soon as I'm eligible. Same with DH. Every ID provider that I know has gotten it. I will continue to follow their lead.
I got it
Except for being pregnant, I check all the other boxes. For not making it, if I got covid. I feel the vaccine can't be worst then covid. And I want to just get out of the house. Except for food shopping. And holidays . I think it's going to be manatory to fly, or go on cruise ship or other country
Agriculture
Here in California, there are differing tiers, and Agriculture and AG workers are slowly being added to the tiers of the "v-getters".
My boss, he has gotten both 1st and 2nd dose, with no adverse affects/effectss. lol.
Im getting mine as soon as I can.
So I read all of the comments posted to this
and I have a question how many that dead set on getting the vaccine can/are planning to try and get pregnant? I know lieutenant_dad is trying, but other than her is there anyone else that would possibly have the same concerns as me since I do want to have children in the near future and are going to get the vaccine?
From the Mayo Clinic:
From the Mayo Clinic:
Myth: COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility or miscarriage.
Fact: No, COVID-19 vaccines have not been linked to infertility or miscarriage.
A sophisticated disinformation campaign has been circulating online, claiming that antibodies to the spike protein of COVID-19 produced from these vaccines will bind to placental proteins and prevent pregnancy. This disinformation is thought to originate from internet postings by a former scientist known to hold anti-vaccine views.
These postings are not scientifically plausible, as COVID-19 infection has not been linked to infertility. Also, no other viral infection or vaccination-inducing immunity by similar mechanisms has been shown to cause infertility. Antibodies to the spike protein have not been linked to infertility after COVID-19 infection. There is no scientific reason to believe this will change after vaccination for COVID-19.
While there are no formal studies, the best evidence comes from women who got sick with COVID-19 while pregnant. While data clearly indicate pregnant women are at higher risk of hospitalization due to COVID-19 infection, there is no evidence of increased miscarriage rates.
During natural infection, the immune system generates the same antibodies to the spike protein that COVID-19 vaccines would. Thus, if COVID-19 affected fertility, there already would be an increase in miscarriage rates in women infected with COVID-19. This has not happened.
I have a one year old, so I'm
I have a one year old, so I'm not ready yet to be actively TTC, but I want to have at least one more, so fertility is important to me. I have not read or heard anything I believe to be credible about fertility or birth defects that would keep me from getting the vaccine. There are a lot of doctors and nurses in my family, and all are gung ho about the vaccine. My pregnant cousin who is a doctor has had both doses.
I don't judge people who don't want it, and I can see how there are unknowns, but I am definitely planning to get it when I can. As I said upthread, I'm not particularly worried about either Covid or the vaccine, but to me the vaccine is the lesser worry.
I want to stress that
I want to stress that everyone should review the "ingredients". I have family members with sucrose allergies, which means they cannot get the vaccine.
I'm def not an antix-vaxxer
I'm def not an antix-vaxxer and have most vaccinations due to the industry I work in, but I am going to wait on this one due to allergies that are undiagnosed/unknown. I'll just keep researching and talking to professionals until I feel comfortable.
And for those who want to know the damage of covid..... I suspect I had covid in Dec 2019. I'll spare you the details but can tell you that my breathing capacity is still not 100% of what it used to be. I even quit smoking thinking it was due to that and it is not. If I had covid, even at a 50% degree, I would not want anyone to go through it beyond that.... it was horrible. My area just launched antibody testing so I'm going to go and see if I have any antibodies.
I am not an anti -vaxxer to vaccines that are tried and true..
but, DH and I will not be getting the vaccine anytime soon if ever.
This vaccine has not been around long enough for anyone to know for sure what the long term side effects could be. It is not the same as other vaccines and I don't understand the comparison . Other Vaccines that we have all received, have been around for years before most of us that are living now were even born.
Next with other vaccines we were all getting the same vaccine with this one there are 3-5 companies so we aren't even all getting the same thing so, difficult to gage what the long term effect of that could be.
Some of us don't take medicine on a whim and pay close attention to what we put in our body. Some of us also do not have blind trust. I don't think they can make it mandatory when it only has temporary emergency approval.
I will say again I don't care what expert is saying what no one can know the long term effects because no one has had it in their system long term. It will come down to a choice for each of us of what you are more afraid of COVID or the Vaccine and what you are more comfortable living with. If the vaccine is as effective as is claimed then those who have the vaccine do not have to worry about those who don't get it because their vaccine will protect them from those people.
It will come down to a
I'm more afraid of Covid. I want to be able to go out of my house without masking. As long as there is a large pool of unvaccinated people that is not going to happen.
I'm more afraid of Covid. Just this morning there was a segment on CNN that up to 30% of those recovered from Covid can have long term (up to nine months or more) lingering symptoms.
I'm more afraid of Covid. The longer it takes to put the brakes on Covid the more variations of it will emerge. If a variation that this vaccine does not stop emerges,...
When we open up again, the world will not be as it were preCovid. You may not be able to travel internationally (to some places) without a Covid vaccination for a while at a minimum. Two cruise lines have already said that starting July 1 Covid vaccination will be required to book passage with them.
We are currently getting Covid vaccines under emergency approval. When it is fully approved some jobs will require it for employment. Last night on the local news there was a segment about public safety workers in the community. Some of them refused the vaccine. The town is telling them that they currently do not dock their sick leave for Covid. But, soon the rules will change. Soon, if you get Covid after being vaccinated (unlikely) your sick leave will not be docked. But, if you refuse vaccination and get Covid, your sick leave will be docked.
I understand your feelings but
people should not feel bullied into getting a vaccination that they do not trust. When it is fully approved then there is a conversation to have but at the end of the day, people still have a choice and no one should feel forced.
I feel that in time more people will feel better about it but I don't think those that are fearful are there yet. Unvaccinated people can continue to wear masks. As far as travel we don't have any desire to leave the country, go on a cruise we only travel by car. We should be fine. If our jobs decide to require it and we are not ready then I guess we will look for other jobs.
We have stayed home for almost a year, followed all of the rules, did not have any holidays with anyone, we always wear masks but we just are not comfortable getting a vaccination that is not tested and we will not be bullied into it it's that simple. We are not alone there are many people that do not want it.
If all of the fearful people
If all of the fearful people don't get vaccinated, then we ALL will have to wear masks. Herd immunity takes a significant percentage of people to achieve. So yes, your fears affect all of us.
You're labeling it fear like it is unfounded
No one knows at this point. Quite frankly there is a rush to get the vaccine out there and some people think that is better to rush a vaccine out to the public because they don't have the time to test it properly. It might all work out just fine but it also might not. You can't fault the people that just don;t have that kind of trust. Call it fear if you wish but it sure isn't unfounded fear. it is definitely unknown.
I will say the same thing to you that I said to the other person with a similar comment. Your lack of fear or doubt isn't going effect my health and safety. I am not going to go against my better judgement because there are people who think that it is ok to get the vaccination. Hats off to you! Go roll your sleeve up and get it.
I did. I got both doses
I did. I got both doses already. I hope you will change your mind, because your fear and doubt affects all of us.
They've been studying mRNA
They've been studying mRNA for a while now.
You are still at far more risk from COVID. And if not enough people get vaccinated, then will not be able to end the restrictions we are under. Just make sure you get your information from reputable sources, there is a lot of disinformation out there.
I must politely take exception
I do not take medications on a whim nor put things in my body on blind trust. I did my research, I understand the science behind these vaccines. I feel comfortable with my decision because it was Informed by fact based research and science.
yes this may be a decision up to each individual but you underestimate the harm in not getting the vaccine. If we do not achieve herd immunity through vaccinactions this virus will mutate and likely reduce or remove the ability of these vaccines to protect those of us willing to take them.
So at some point your doubt crosses over my health and safety.
First let me say I love that you "politely take exception"
If all people disagreed that way the world would be a better place :)
To me and again my opinion taking a vaccination that has been studied for 5 minutes and listening to anyone give long term effects on something they couldn't possibly know at this point is to me blind trust. I just don't have it and I never have had it I was born without it! I am the "why" girl. I have on many occasions asked medical professionals a why question about something that they can not answer.
Now I want to politely say to you that just because people are not going to get the vaccination does not mean they take the virus lightly or they are not afraid of it. It also doesn't''t mean that we haven't done any research either. Some people are equally afraid of Covid and the Vaccine and have decided to take their chances. Good for all of those that can walk right in when their turn comes up, roll up their sleeve get there shot and walk away without a worry. Kudos! Consider yourself lucky. I don't have that kind of trust in a vaccination that has not been around for the long term. I don't get or take anything that has not been around for the long term. I take no medication unless it is deemed life saving besides a pain killer for a headache on occasion. I don't drink alcohol have never used any drugs just not my thing.
While I appreciate your point your comment can be used for my feelings as well. At this point I am not willing to have your lack of doubt cross over into my health and safety and have me get a vaccine that I don't trust. The argument is the same for my side as well.
So what evidence will
So what evidence will convince you, if that from the scientific community doesn't do it? What does long-term mean for you? If you have to wear a mask everywhere for the next 2 years, can't travel, etc if you are not vaccinated, will you still maintain your skepticism? Would you advise your grandmother to get it, or are you okay with her risking COVID? Do the already established long-term risks from COVID seem more reasonable than the lack of long-term risks so far established for the vaccine?
I don't mean to be argumentative, just asking questions for you to think about. We already know, after a year plus, that COVID has some serious long-term risks. So far, after about 9 months or so, there don't appear to be any from the vaccines. Why do you fear a vaccine more than an illness that has established itself as deadly and damaging?
I don't personally think they will ever mandate the vaccine, though I wish they would.
"So what evidence will convince you"
Nothing short term. It needs to be studied in humans for the long term for side effects. They couldn't possibly have that research now. I am sorry to say that the science can only guess at this point they could not possibly know. They need time to study it.
And the long term is years. or at the very least a year.
You act like my lack of trust it is a bad thing or a choice.. More people should question it and question what goes in their body.
As I said we don't have any desire to go out of the country and we travel by car. As far as the mask I wish more people would wear them all the time during cold and flu season. Quite frankly I am sick of getting sick from other peoples hacking in my office when they should stay home! And the distancing I like that too. Wouldn't concerts be better if you weren't packed in like sardines Quite frankly everything would be better if there was more distancing. More enjoyable!!
Well, it's been 9 months
Well, it's been 9 months since they started trials for the vaccine, so perhaps you will be convinced by summer. But it doesn't sound like it.
I think that people should base decisions on facts and not fear and misinformation - and most anti-vax sentiment is based on those two things.
ETA: Also - once we approve some of the more "traditional" vaccine types for COVID, will you get that?
There have not been large groups of people
getting it to study.
Just because I am not lining up for this vaccination does not make me an anti-vaxer. I have all childhood vaccinations none as an adult.
As I pointed out we are not all even getting the same vaccination so how could anyone really know anything now for sure.
As I also Kudos to you if you can line right up without hesitation and get a vaccination that is new and not studied for long term side effects. Everyone is not like that consider yourself lucky.
Once it has been around and studied we might consider it but for now we are not and that is not going to change. It is a wait and see. We are not fearful because of misinformation we are fearful of the unknown that no one can know right now. I am sorry but as much as you think they know they couldn't possibly it has not been around long enough. You have a right to get vaccinated and we have a right not to!
There have been millions of
There have been millions of people vaccinated already in this country and other countries, with minimal adverse affects.
Honestly - I don't mean to be offensive, but to me - people refusing the vaccine despite all the medical information out there is the same as people refusing to wear masks. It's them substituting their judgment for that of people who have studied it extensively. You may say it only affects you if you refuse, but that's not true, it affects all of society. Without herd immunity, we can't move on.
Last I time I look.......
" It's them substituting their judgment for that of people who have studied it extensively. You may say it only affects you if you refuse, but that's not true, it affects all of society. Without herd immunity, we can't move on.
Seriously?? Excuse me but MY JUDGEMENT ALWAYS COMES FIRST when it is about me. and here's an idea so should yours!! Listen I have held off judgement but that statement spells sheep! Blind follower of the herd. You should always question something irregardless of what degree someone has on the wall. After all they are still human and humans make errors. It is most certainly my choice as it is your choice. I do not try to bully people into thinking that my thoughts need to be their thoughts.
This is not new behavior for me. I have never taken medicine and was always concerned as to what effectt something had to my body. Also news flash.... Herd immunity also includes those who have already had the virus and my guess is there are a lot more than are counted as some do not display symptoms.
"Would you advise your grandmother to get it, or are you okay wi
"Would you advise your grandmother to get it, or are you okay with her risking COVID?"
First of all, how dare you assume that I am ok with anyone getting COVID just because I am leery of a vaccination that has not been around very long. It just shows that you don't have any understanding of those that are not comfortable with the vaccination.
As for my grandmothers and before you ask grandfathers mother father Aunts and Uncles they are all passed on. I don't have anyone living. However, no I would not advise my grandmother or anyone to do something that I would not do, but leave that aside, I don't advise people on life decisions, I leave it to them to make the choice. While I would help them weigh their choice I most certainly NEVER give my opinion on what I think they should do. I do not feel that is my right ! Their decisions and choices.
My apologies - most people
My apologies - most people who are against vaccines heatedly advise others not to take them. And I do have understanding of them, I have two in my very own family - one of whom tries to convince everyone not to take it. He also believes that you are more at risk from the vaccine than the disease itself and therefore thinks he's doing good work to get people not to take them.
Will you get the vaccine once we approve some of the more "traditional" types of vaccines for COVID?
Apology accepted but you shouldn't assume..
You not only assume what I would tell me grandmother but you assume I am anti vaxxer because I am against getting a vaccine that has no long term data results, certainly not the same thing.
I have relatives that have gotten the vaccine. Right before they got it they were fearful, I did not tell them my feelings on it. When asked if I would get it I said I hadn't decided. I did not want to sway them, it is their choice just like it is mine. I am only a voice for those that feel as I do. We have a place in this conversation.
As far as your question about ever getting it only time can tell but certainly not in the short term.
But again - will you get the
But again - will you get the ones that are more "traditional"? With weakened or dead virus in them instead of mRNA? Is it only mRNA you are afraid of?
OMG if you don't want to get
OMG if you don't want to get the vaccine then don't. Good lord!!!
"OMG if you don't want to get the vaccine then don't. Good lord!
"OMG if you don't want to get the vaccine then don't. Good lord!!!
I have no intention of getting it at this time and Tog started the debate I was only answering the call.
The topic was were we or weren't we ... I only chimed in ..
I plan to get it. As a
I plan to get it. As a healthcare worker, i should have got it already but there are supply issues here. I had COVID about 2 months ago, though, so i feel that i have some immunity and i'm not in a rush like i would be if i hadn't recently recovered.
I will say that even though i'm relatively young and healthy, i was pretty sick for over a week, i still have a cough, some heart palpitations, and my sense of smell has not recovered. The long-term effects haven't impacted my daily life as far as limiting activity but they are noticeable. I would recommend the vaccine over the illness any day!
Hell to the no. Too many ppl
Hell to the no. Too many ppl dying from vaccine that "the news" is not telling us about. This vax has not been tested on animals and no one knows how it will affect ppl in future. I believe there IS a corona virus - I do NOT believe it is as deadly as we are told. If it were, why do we not see literally thousands of homeless ppl dead after a year of this thing? Homeless have no shelter, food, health care access. They live in close quarters in tent cities and don't have masks (masks don't work anyways. Someone wants to argue that then please provide a link or source to a peer reviewed study that proves DIY masks from Pinterest, surgical masks or bandanas work). Anything "the news" or Big Tech is trying to silence or stop ppl from looking at is actually what we should be looking at! Corona virus shutdowns and forced mask wearing is a bunch of bullshit to keep ppl in fear. Afraid ppl are easier to control.
Too many ppl dying from
Where are you getting this information?
This is a few weeks old but
This is a few weeks old but worth responding too.
I am not an anti vaxer. My last shot was for the flu this past October.... I am however closely guarded with this shot
. I was the same way with the shot they started to push for tweens and teens for Papaloma.... NOPE nunya not these teens.
In the future I may decide differently. Until then I like my freedom to make my own decisions based on all the information. For me, I do not like people putting down anyone who makes the decision to get the vaciene OR anyone who puts down or belittles decisions not to get it. Same for wearing masks... This is a common trend lately
*fun observation ---I can almost tell who may watch CNN, MSNBC and those who may watch FOX just reading posts. DONT be a hater...it's just an observation.