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futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

So jumping the gun just a little bit in posting this, but bf has strongly been hinting that we will be getting engaged before we go to my parents for Christmas and we will be leaving December 22nd. On our drive back home from Thanksgiving, bf and I talked about the possibility of getting married with just a minister before we leave in May to move to the West Coast. This is for many reasons. 1. We don't want to plan anything to just be canceled with COVID, 2. If we get married before we leave then the marine corps will also move my stuff, not just bf's, 3. My health insurance has been crazy expensive so I have been losing a lot of money each month and bf has been losing money too since he does not have SD 51% or more for physical custody, so between the two of us we are losing about $1,000 a month, but if we were married that would all change, 3. We know we want to get married so why not do so sooner than later and make our lives a little bit easier for the near future?

So anyway, bf and I have always said we are going to combine finances, but we have to figure out what bank we want to go with. He has USAA, but has been very frustrated with them lately and my bank is not on the west coast, so we will need to figure out where we want to open an account together. As of right now, bf does not pay child support, but as we all know that could change at any time. I am very aware of what bf's financial situation is as he is with mine, so not really worried about any surprises. Outside of my car and his truck, we don't own property or really any assets so no worries there either. Bf does not pay BM spousal support or any of BM's debt anymore either so really it is starting fresh with just him and I and no entanglements with BM financially. Is there any advice anyone here can offer to protect our finances or I guess mine in the event BM does file for child support? Just trying to get ahead of the game so I don't feel screwed later.

 

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justmakingthebest's picture

Coming from someone who has been married 3 times now (God I hate admitting that), DH and I won't ever share finances. That was something we both agreed on early into dating. We have both been hardcore screwed over. However, we give freely and openly to each other. We both have each other's login access but we don't have each other's names jointly on anything but our mortgage. 

I am a big fan of his/hers/ours accounts if you want to co-mingle. Each keep your own account but also have a household account for all the bills and groceries. That way you are equally contributing to your life but you still keep your independence financially. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I understand what you are saying, just doesn't seem like anything would be any different with us then except having a login to each other's already existing accounts. Just hard for me to wrap my head around keeping things separate when I grew up that everything is combined when you are married like my parents who has 1 joint checking and 1 joint savings account

justmakingthebest's picture

That is how my parents are too and how I was with my 1st husband. It is easier that way, it really is. 

DH and I were both super burned though, so for us it is about security. We may not be like this forever, especially if we get orders out of here and I am jobless for a while when we move but for now and the forseeable future, keeping things seperate works for us. 

 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I mean bf had been burned too by BM accumulating a bunch of debt while he was deployed then they would come after him because he was married to BM. I am pretty confident about combining our finances this way, but have a slight worry about if BM does file for child support how do we protect our/my money if our finances are combined?

justmakingthebest's picture

You really don't have to protect "ours" money. CS is based on his income. So when (not if, your BM is a piece of work), just know that there will be back pay from the day she files. So expect 3-4 months of back pay to be added to arrears when it starts coming out of his check. I would also recommend that he asks that everything go through the division of child support. That way it comes straight out of his pay check and there is no 'going into your account" to pay for it. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I am definitely waiting for the day that happens, but don't know when that will be. I just have seen other SM's on here say that the court asked them to provide their financial information and I don't want that to ever happen.

tog redux's picture

If you have joint accounts and you file taxes jointly, you will have to provide all of that information that includes your income. They shouldn't base the CS on your income, but there is no way to keep it out of the equation entirely unless you file taxes separately and have no joint accounts. 

ESMOD's picture

Typically (in the US).. the reason why a spouse may need to provide financial information is if the courts may have a legit concern that the bio parent is intentionally not earning to potential.. or situations where couples have a business together and there may be concern about whether there is true transparency about where the money is being allocated.. to try to avoid CS perhaps.

Another area where you may need to provide information is if your skids file for FAFSA using your spouse's information.. as the spouse you are obligated to provide yours too.  In my case, it was their mother that provided information.. so I didn't have to.

If you do have joint accounts.. the court may seek information about your finances so they can parse out what is your husband's vs yours.. so they may want to know about deposites made "by you".. so they can be excluded... 

 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

isn't FAFSA information usually based on who has primary physical custody?

I mean that makes sense, but in a savings account if the money is pulled from the joint checking there is no way to determine which party the money came from

ESMOD's picture

They won't base child support on checking account activity really.. it will be based of of income.. and should be "his" income.. not yours.

If there is reason they feel they need to review a joint account.. you can make some determinations of where money comes from.. pay stubs etc.. to show source of the deposits

If there is any concern he is hiding income.. or being underemployed to avoid paying CS.. your finances as a couple will be subject to review.. whether your name is on an account or not potentially.

tog redux's picture

In my state, they do ask for info on joint accounts - but in the end, they just base it all on his salary. And we had to submit joint taxes.

ESMOD's picture

Combining finances can be tricky.... especially when one party or the other may have different spending habits.. or financial obligations.

I would recommend deciding how you want to split your living expenses and shared financial goal savings.. then you each would have your own accounts checking/savings for your personal discretionary spending and then have an account that you both contribute to for your joint spending.. and maybe even a savings account as well.

I have used USAA for over 30 years for my banking and insurance needs.  I will say that I am not sure that the insurance is the cheapest I could find.. but they have always had good customer service.  Banking has never been an issue.. well, I did have one bad experience dealing with a rep over my dad's account.. but it was kind of a special situation.. I understand why it was difficult.  I like them because you can easily deposit remotely.. and can do lots online like pay bills.. transfer funds with non-usaa accounts etc... rates are decent.

But, there are many "national" banks that offer similar services.. I might also recommend having a relationship with your local credit union too.. so you have a walk in location if you ever need those kinds of services.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

is definitely not cheaper for insurance. Actually bf's policy is up February 12 and wants to change because he is spending more than I am and I have a worse driving record than him. So that is a whole other thing we have to decide on, look for a new policy for him for after February 12, get married and add him on mine, or we look for a new one together. Bf has had issues with his card not being accepted places and takes multiple attempts for it to go through even when he has the money in his account, so that is his frustration on banking with them.

Ah that makes sense!

I guess my hardest part is about like I said above I grew up believing when you get married you join finances and have 1 joint checking and 1 joint savings account. Currently we have a his, mine, and ours on savings and currently the our savings is reserved for our move so we don't have to stress in May for expenses, once the move is done, we want to save for a house, and the future, so we have financial goals we have agreed on already. We have been pretty open with our finances for a while now especially since moving in together too.

ESMOD's picture

But.. your parents probably were married "for life".. they didn't have kids and obligations from a former relationship.  It also was more common for one person (man) to be the breadwinner and primary financial supporter.. the woman might  make a little side money.. but it usually was not central to supporting the family.. .. Certainly, you should have shared joint goals.. but with his prior obligations and the fact that in this day and time.. divorce is not a foreign concept or end result of many relationships.. it may make sense for everyone to be on their own feet and turf financially while sharing joint goals.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

my parents have been married 27 years this March. Bf and I will also be marrying for life. My mom has her masters degree and has always worked like my father. His only prior obligation is SD and at this point and time he is not paying child support, nor is any obligation outside of SD being on his medical insurance, having to split medical bills 50% with BM, and cover transportation costs of SD for his visitation in the PSA as an obligation he has to pay for, all of which I agreed to with him when making the PSA. I understand what you are getting at, but bf is very much separate from BM financially.

tog redux's picture

Honestly, times have changed. And it never hurts to revisit ideas about how things "should" be done. My sister has been married for 36 years, only marriage for both, and they don't have any joint accounts. 

Plus, your situation is different because you have a HCBM lurking about for the next 14+ years.

lieutenant_dad's picture

It's not wise to combine finances with someone who has more assets or liabilities than you do. If you two were going to start from nothing and grow from nothing, with no baggage, I'd likely still advise against it but could see where the benefit would be.

Here's the problem: until SD ages out, there will ALWAYS be someone who has an interest and stake in your BF's finances. If you combine your income and God forbid something were to happen to him, it'll be a financial/legal nightmare with BM since SD may still be entitled to some of your BF's estate. That doesn't just include physical property, but any assets - like life insurance, savings accounts, and even money in his checking. You'll have to prove what is yours so it doesn't get entrusted to SD.

Futuro's solution is a good one. You have a BM who would do anything to get access to your BF's money, so keep yours away from his. If you all have the same bank, it will be super easy for you both to transfer funds into and out of a joint checking account for expenses and a joint savings account for trips, big expenses, emergency fund, etc.

IF you are hell-bent on having a joint account, make sure that you BOTH keep a separate savings account that you're each depositing money into. That is your PERSONAL money. Trust me, there will be things you want to purchase that you don't want BF to know about (like gifts, nothing nefarious), and things you won't want to help pay for related to SD and BM. It's hard to imagine what that might be NOW, but it can (and likely will) happen.

It's risky to combine finances, but if you're going to do it, you need to make sure you have your own nest egg (that includes your own HSA/FSA for healthcare expenses, 401(k) or other retirement account, other investments, and a savings account with cash) that cannot be touched by someone else. And no matter what you do with finances, your BF needs to create a living will that explicitly states what money goes to who, AND he needs to get life insurance for the amount of CS he'd owe if he were to die today that goes to SD (or a separate account with that amount in it). That will help protect you and your share of assets if something were to happen to him.

Remember, financial planning isn't just short-term. You have to think about worst case scenario for the next 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25+ years. 

Lastly, combined finances are rooted in women not being able to open their own bank accounts and keep their own finances. As women become more equal, and employers stop offering joint financial insentives (like spousal insurance), you're going to find that less and less of your finances will be co-mingled anyway. Realistically, the only finances you'll have combined will be your checking/savings account, home equity, and mutual debts. Just about everything else finance-wise will be separate.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

not just for near future, but for long term.

According to the state in which we will be moving to life insurance policies with a named beneficiary, funds in an IRA, 401(k), or other retirement accounts, payable on death bank accounts, property owned with someone else in a joint tenancy, and securities held in a transfer on death account cannot be taken/changed if you die without a will. Definitely will have a will drawn up regardless, but at least there are certain things in place that would protect my share of assets.

I understand that someone people may find having only joint accounts as insulting based on the history of why there are joint accounts, but I don’t look at it that way at all.

Will definitely make sure there are somethings set up as an in case, but I really want the primary checking and savings account to be joint, not separate.

lieutenant_dad's picture

This is going to sound snarky, but if you know this much about finances and are going to combine anyway, why are you asking for opinions from folks who have historically said not to combine finances?

None of us went into marriage thinking it would end. I went into my first one with nothing (same as XH) and got hosed. That was without a money-hungry BM nipping at my heels. We had joint finances, lived together prior so I thought I knew his spending (and mine) and still got hosed.

Joint accounts won't save or make a marriage, but they can certainly hurt you in the event something happens, even death, when there is a minor child involved. And don't think courts won't find workarounds to getting cash to a kid if they think it will save the state money.

Marriage is a legal contact, not just a relationship status. Don't do things that could hurt you just because of how you feel.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

"should we combine finances" I asked for advice on when you do combine finances. So I guess I was more or less looking for people who have combiend finances and any advice they have about it

I never said it would make or break a marriage, but that is something that I think is part of a marriage and everyone has their own ideals. This is one of mine. I understand it is a legal contract and if I didn't prior to meeting bf I sure would of learned from all the mess of the custody/divorce battle.

thinker's picture

Is there something about your current banking (his, mine, and ours) that isn't working for you?  If not, I wouldn't change it.  

I'm going to piggyback on what Lietenant Dad mentioned and add that even after SD ages out, there will ALWAYS be someone who has an interest and stake in your BF's finances!  All the way up and until the day he dies and the after math of his estate.  There are all kinds of ways that parents support their adult children these days, and the moment you object, you become the evil, unloving stepmom.  Learn it from us or learn it the hard way (I am learning it the hard way).  

My parents have been married even longer than yours.  They have a traditional marriage, with only ours children, and they share everything.  My marriage could not be more different.  For example, they are on the same page about supporting their adult children (all financial support outside of education stopped at age 18).  They don't go into another room for secret phone calls to discuss financial gifts, or quirrel away money to their adult children in secret.  They don't make promises to their adult children without talking to each other first.  They don't prioritize providing their adult children with a luxurious lifestyle over paying taxes on time.  Their will leaves almost everything to each other rather than the maximum legal amount to their adult children.  I could go on and on and on.  The point is, no matter how much you love your BF and how great things seem, you are not your parents and your marriage will never be their marriage.  

tog redux's picture

Right - I didn't want MY money that I earned going to pay for SS's college tuition and child support. DH paid that from his separate account. If we'd had a joint account, I'd feel like I was paying half. Not going to happen. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

something has to be wrong because something that I have seen in my parent's marriage I would like in my own....

Not everyone has the issue with adult biological children and supporting them, bf and I have had many frank discussions about expectations and what I have seen here with bio parents supporting their adult children behind the step parent's back is not something I worry about or need to be concerned about

I know my marriage will not be my parent's marriage nor do I want it to be, but rather I feel the same way about the way something is done in my parents marriage and want to do it in my own.

tog redux's picture

Well, he could get ordered by the court to support her, both child support and tuition, as well as medical costs. Are you okay with paying for part of those costs? If you have a joint account, you will be. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

a possibility once I got serious with a man who has a child. We will have our own children we will have to do that for and even if ultimately we don't a joint account him allocating his money elsewhere for such costs would still impact our finances as a whole anyway when having a home and kids together. If I wouldn't be okay with this possibility I wouldn't of gotten serious with someone that has a child with someone else.

tog redux's picture

Fair enough. In our system, DH pays all SS costs out of his extra money (though we have a good income together so he can do that) and it doesn't affect our household finances at all. 

I did not get involved with a man expecting or wanting to pay for his kid, I don't personally think that's necessary at all. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

fine, but that was your expectations and ideals which I am sure was discussed prior to getting married, etc.

My expectations and ideals difer from yours on this subject, which is fine, but they align with bf's to which we don't want things to be separate. I know I will never be SD's mom nor any of that happy SM mumbo jumbo that some people go in thinking it will be great and so happy, etc. However, even though bf has a child with another woman, does not mean we are going to separate things. When SD is with us, great, she will be treated the same as other children we will have. We have talked at length about such topics and what the future will look like if this or that, etc. Sure, it isn't bf's first marriage or when we have a child it will not be his first child, but if we don't want to draw lines in the sand about finances and such, then that is what we will do and are going to do. I feel like I ranted, but hopefully it made sense.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I am a worrier, I am very good at worrying so I have asked about basically all the scenarios I could think of and what his thoughts are, etc. so there are no surprises.

ESMOD's picture

Here's the thing.  When people are going into this.. they think.  I love him. he loves me.  We will both be reasonable if anything happens. 

My YSD told us about the "vacation jar" she and her Ex were contributing to.. (i'm sure way more on her end than his..lol).. and I said.. yeah.. what if you break up.. do you think it's wise to put it all together.  "OH.. no.. we will be fine... he and I are both adults.. we would never do anything wrong to one another".  When they broke it off.. he tried to saddle her with a directv contract that he signed up for in her name (but used his own SSN).. we had to get stern with DTV about that.. the vacation jar?  have to wonder what happened to that.. hmmmm.

Or.. my first husband and I.. we had a joint account to pay our bills.. my paycheck went into it... and right after I told him I wanted to divorce him due to cheating (and other issues).. he wiped out the account.. including a 15K bonus I had just gotten from my job !!!!  I was able to threaten all holy hell if he didn't return my money.. but that shows you the minute things aren't going well.. all the reasonableness of the parties can go out the window.

Of course, everyone thinks they are going to marry for life... of course you would want the kind of relationship your parents had.  But, to be honest.. from jump street.. you can't have the same relationship. Times have changed... Your partner already has a child with another woman.  THAT is a pre-existing condition that cannot be changed.. and he may profess now that he will discuss and handle everything with your blessing.. but there will come a time when her needs/wants are going to be at the opposite end of where YOU want him spending his money.. and he may end up making financial decisions that impact you.. he may make decisions to give his daughter money against your wishes.. and without your knowledge.  Shoot, he doesn't even have a CS order right now correct?  THAT could change and he may have obligations that will limit his ability to hold up his end of things you want for you as a couple.  Again, you will both be open and reasonable until you aren't.. and you  may not know when that shift happens.  I tried to go in and move my bonus to my savings account one day to late.

We, obviously, can't tell you what to do.  Internet strangers.  All we can tell you is that there are a lot of risks and probably few rewards by fully making your finances joint.  It's a convention rooted in another time where the man usually brought home the paycheck and the wife had access to it to manage her household bills.  Your parents both contributed.. but joint kids.. etc.. no EXes.. again.. this is not your situation.  To cling to an ideal because "you want to be like your parents".. it's like people who come on here and complain about the existence of the skids period.  If you don't want skids.. don't date or marry someone who has kids.. pretty simple.  You can't want a situation that doesn't exist for that person.. no your baby will not be their "first" (not unimportant.. just not first.. just first with YOU).  They have already had the first wedding in many cases.. already had their first divorce.. the next ones may be easier.  Making a smart financial situation doesn't mean you are going in assuming the worst.. but you are ensuriing you won't be hurt as badly if there is a worst case scenario.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I really appreciate your advice and examples. I REALLY do. It is ultimately a risk to combine finances, but it is also the risk to marry someone too since it is a legal contract. We have a moving jar and that has gone excellent with us, but that didn’t start until 2 years in. Bf was willing to co-sign for my car after 1 year in because it would make my interest lower with him on it, I appreciated his offer and gesture, but I turned it down because it was only a year in and what if. I think the only reason I am so confident and I am sure most people are confident going into it, but in my case is because I have seen bf at his lowest, I have seen him at his worst, and if he is willing to get married again and have children again after all he went through, then I should be willing to also trust him completely. We went through 2 months of him not being paid because the marine corps took 2 months to internally fix his status to divorced and until that was done, they could not approve his BAH package without dependents, so since once it was all done they said they overpaid him because the BAH package wasn’t approved yet. Once it was all fixed (well mostly is) he paid me back for his half of our bills even though I told him not to worry about it. Call me blinded by love, but I really don’t think that is the case and if I end up getting screwed over for it in the end, then that will be that.

ESMOD's picture

Keep in mind that you have seen him at his lowest.. against another person..against another situation.  You haven't seen him at his worst when he hates you.  That is the hardest part to grasp is that when you love each other.. you can't imagine ever hurting each other.. but things do change.  This man HAS divorced someone once.. yes.. cheating dirtbag that she was.. but he didn't stay for better or for worse.. he did cut the cord...  again.. we are all reasonable adults.. till we aren't.   Of course, you can go into this and never have a wobble.. it could happen.  Hopefully, you won't ever have to deal with a time when you and he are not on the same page.. or side of the legal table.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

The biggest issue in regards to bf and marrying BM was he married her because he wanted to be able to help her while he was at boot camp, etc. he did not marry her because he loved her, but because he felt bad for her and wanted to help someone in need. Bf did not divorce her because of the cheating, he found that out after he filed divorce papers to her, he divorced her because he didn’t love her,  she didn’t work just racked up debt, as he explained it a switch was flipped once they married because she officially got what she wanted which was a way out of their small town because she would not be able to do it on her own. Now of course you could say that is just what he told me, etc. but I have seen hard proof of a lot of this, so the vows they took about “for better or worse” do not take weight with me for their marriage and him leaving her because he never meant them to begin with. Bf does not come from a family that says “don’t do it,” “this is a stupid idea,” etc. if he did, then the whole BM situation never would of happened, but when you get a sheltered, naïve, young man with no support, they make stupid decisions.

Don’t think I don’t understand where you are coming from or I am naïve in thinking this, but I do not have any concerns. If anything, my concerns have to do with worry on my own part. There is no evidence I cannot have kids or a family history of it, but because he already has a child with someone else and I have never been pregnant, let alone taken a pregnancy test, I worry that I can’t have kids. Stuff like that worries me or SD later hating me and disrespecting me/my marriage to bf, BUT bf has given me reassurances he will not let that happen and he has never let anyone disrespect me.

ndc's picture

I do not have shared finances with my DH (beyond one joint account for household expenses, which I handle), for two reasons.  First, he is a complete and total financial incompetent, by his own admission.  If he has it, he spends it.  He doesn't understand debt or interest.  He doesn't remember to pay things on time.  He makes stupid financial decisions and has crappy credit.  I'm far from a financial genius, but I can handle the basics and I'm smart enough to know when to seek advice, and I have family members who are financially savvy and give me great advice.  Second, I came into the marriage with assets (he had none to speak of) and he came into the marriage with debts (albeit not major) and obligations to his two kids.  I didn't ask for a prenup, but I kept my accounts and my home in my own name and nothing is commingled.

In my circumstances, combining finances would be foolish.  It doesn't matter that my parents (who are equally financially adept) have joint finances or that I went into my marriage thinking it would be forever.  In your circumstance, where you're roughly financial equals (except for SD) and you're on the same page financially, it might be OK.  Just think about whether you're OK with paying child support if it's ever ordered, or paying for gifts for SD, college for SD, expenses for SD, out of your funds.  Because that can happen.  If it gets out of hand, you can always separate finances in the future.  Also think about how things are set up (joint with right of survivorship, for example) to protect yourself if something happens to your BF.   

I don't think combining or not combining finances has much to do with how your relationship proceeds - you can have a great marriage with separate finances or a crappy marriage with joint finances.  Just make sure you've considered the contingencies and that you're comfortable with everything.  And be open minded - folks on here are giving you some great advice and things to think about.  

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

I wouldn't want to either if I had established all that for myself before my SO came into the picture and especially not if my SO was not financially responsible.

I do think bf and i are on pretty equal footing financially. I have student loans from a bachelors degree and masters degree where he does not. Only thing he owes money on is his truck. As I said earlier, me personally, if I was not okay with these possibilities than I would not of gotten serious in this relationship. I already do buy SD gifts when I want to with my own money because I want to.

I do think it was good advice about the will and such, yes I will definitely make sure those items are in place for sure after we marry and settle in our new state.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Alright, since you're going to have joint finances, here is what I would do differently if I ever combined finances again:

1.) Keep a savings account that I only have access to, and put small amounts of money into it each month. That would be my "oh sh*t" fund.

2.) Keep a centralized ledger to put all expenses and receipts into. Needs to be somewhere that both of you have equal access to. 

3.) Set up a joint system for how you manage money. Whether you reconcile monthly or every two weeks, you both need to sit down, look at what's in the bank and what's in the ledger. If there are discrepancies, then sort them out then.

4.) Don't nitpick what the other person buys. If you like daily Starbucks and that's a habit you won't give up, then build it into your budget and tell your BF it's going to be a daily expense so long as it's affordable.

5.) Set a limit on how much an item needs to be before having to talk about a purchase. This goes back to the "don't nitpick every item" piece. You each should be allowed to buy a pair of shoes without the other flipping out. 

6.) In addition to setting that limit mentioned above, set a weekly allowance that you each have for your own fun. Build it into the budget. That is an expense that you know is going out every month. Anything not spent should remain for that person as part of their spending money, not thrown back into the joint fund.

One of the big killers with joint finances is nitpicking every dollar saved and spent. Set it up so you're not paying attention to that. Whether it's each of you having separate credit cards you pay off every month or having a set limit that you BOTH can stick to for fun money, just figure out some way that you're not criticizing a Starbucks or Monster Energy habit. Joint finances, I've found, require a lot more communication than split finances, so you'll need to make sure you both speak the same financial language. DH and I don't, which further strengthens our resolve to remain separated financially. He tallies by the month; I go biweekly. He accounts for "third paychecks" the month he gets them; I account for mine based on when bills are due on my biweekly schedule. We can't find common ground on making joint finances work with that wildly different mindset, so we just mostly check in to make sure bills are all paid, CCs are paid off, and our agreed-upon joint savings is where it should be.

I'm sure there are more tips/hindsight I could provide if I thought on it more.

OH, final thought: joint finances can become separate finances if the need arises. Don't cling to joint finances if practicality says it would make communication better, tensions less, or whatever because joint finances are your ideal. Your ideal should be a happy, strong marriage. If joint finances go against that, then don't have joint finances. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

Haha, thank you for this advice, that was very helpful. I apologize if I came across bitchy earlier, was not my intentions at all. I really appreciate and take in the advice you give whether or not it may seem like it when we see things differently, I really do.

I agree with your points on what to do differently. Bf did not have joint finances with BM, hell he has actually never wanted to have joint finances until he asked me why I felt the way that I did on it and after that he thought about it. Then we had the conversation probably about 10 more times since we have been together and only recently did he decide that he was for it, but he did have a condition which was one of your points actually. Bf has seen other married acquaintances bicker A LOT over money which is why he did not want to do it, plus after all the debt BM wracked up, he was definitely not for it. After seeing how I am financially and discussing his deal breaker on the issue, we agreed to join finances after we get married. His MAIN thing was that as you said no “nit picking” at little charges here and there. He wants to be able to go get coffee or a breakfast burrito, etc. when he wants and not have to clear it with me or have me question him about it. Personally, I felt the same because I don’t want to be nit picked at either, so we agreed we would set a limit on the amount something has to be to discuss it, we have not set that limit yet as we have not even looked at banks yet. Bf now is actually kind of looking forward to joining finances actually because he believes he will be even better at saving because it now wouldn’t just be his money, but would instead be our money.

What do you think a good amount is that should require it being brought up?

I do like the idea of once we marry and settle in the new state to get a will done, yes that is important and I did not think about doing as soon as I am now thinking we should. I also like the idea of an “oh shit” fund in general because you never know what can happen. Thank you for your thoughtful advice!

lieutenant_dad's picture

The amount is going to be dependent on what you two make and have left over after bills. I think a good place to start would be $100 and adjust from there, based on whether $100 would break you or $100 is average dinner out money. It may actually be better to set up a weekly "allowance" system instead, and then just discuss purchases that go above that or would wipe out that fund in the first day. 

I have also found that keeping an annual budget divided up by month is extremely helpful. It has helped DH and I plot out joint expenses (e.g. furniture for the house) and see where we are at individually with money and debt. Helps us both see when we can make joint purchases/upgrades again. Even though our finances are separate, we talk through our debts, income, raises, retirement, etc. We just don't physically have our money tied in the same account (except for our home equity, but that's not a liquid asset at the moment).

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

pretty good sense to me.

As of right now for our moving expenses that is "ours" saving moving for the move, we actually have been taking out cash so it can't actually be spent or anything and that system has worked pretty good for us actually, but isn't really ideal for a long term solution of saving for specific things

ESMOD's picture

The limits also come with cummulative limits too.  Let's say they decide that anything under 50 bucks doesn't need to be discussed.. well.. someone might make 10 individual 50 dollar purchases in a month.. that is $500 total.. so there has to be some budget framework that they are working within.

It may be that they say.. each person has 250 dollars to spend on discretionary spending.. as many purchases within that are fair game.. whether it be 5 dollars.. or 200 dollars.. as long as you don't exceed that limit.  The daily latte habit can add up to hundreds a month.. and the person without that spending habit may rankle when they can't spend a similar amount.. or see the balance dwindle despite them trying to cut back.

Communication is important too.. I know I have heard more than one coworker on the phone with a spouse when their card was declined because the joint account had a large item that they didn't realize came through from the other party... joint reconcilement of a single account.. unless you have a big cushion can be tricky.

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

point! So far, we have seen we tend to over communicate on matters, but I guess that is better than not communicating. So we shall see how it goes and as others have said if it becomes an issue than we can always separate finances.

Luckily, neither of us smoke so that isn't an issue where I could see others have conflicts over that. For the last 4 months we have tried to cut back in general even though we don't share finances now just so we are really in a healthy position when moving and transitioning jobs. So far it has gone smoothly so hopefully it just crosses over

advice.only2's picture

My DH and I combined our finances when we got married. Neither of us were rolling in money or assets so it made it easy to combine. I balance the monthly budget and pay the monthly bills, while DH takes care of state and fed taxes and larger stuff like refinancing the house or insurance stuff. I keep a spreadsheet on our computer of the monthly budget and we can both update it as needed. This is what works for us.

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

Keep in mind that by keeping a separate account in your name you're also protecting him. As long as he is in the military CS will come directly out of his pay. No problems there. He leaves to become a civilian and BM decides to pursue CS increase/ area all accounts in his name will be frozen. That's a bad position to be in when you have bills to pay and other children to support. There are many potential financial issues when you are dealing with OP and SKs. 

futurestepmomnowstepgf's picture

5 months. I've never heard of frozen accounts because a Bm goes for child support when a military man gets out of the military. And who exactly is the OP you are referring to in this? Sounds like you're referring to BM as OP

TheAccidentalSM's picture

A lot of this is a legacy of patriarcial rules that have slowly been overturned.  Until relatively recently, it wasn't legal for women to have their own bank accounts.

France, 1881: France grants women the right to own bank accounts; five years later, the right is extended to married women, who are allowed to open accounts without their husbands’ permission. The US does not follow suit until the 196os, and the UK lags until 1975

1974: Equal Credit Opportunity Act passes in the US. Until then, banks required single, widowed or divorced women to bring a man along to cosign any credit application, regardless of their income. They would also discount the value of those wages when considering how much credit to grant, by as much as 50%.

US, 1981: The last vestiges of a husband being able to keep a wife in the dark (at least legally) vanish, thanks to Kirchberg v Feenstra. A husband is told he doesn’t have the right to unilaterally take out a second mortgage on property held jointly with his wife.