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Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

So the kids are out of school Friday mid-day to start their Christmas Vacation. This year SO is supposed to have the first part of the vacation, about a week, with BM picking them up Christmas afternoon and then having them till the day before school starts back, just shy of 2 weeks. She works weekends so we already offered to keep them during that time as we have been. Instead she will pick them up LATE Christmas and wants him to pick them back up early Friday morning and keep them the rest of the vacation. So 9 extra days with us.

Don’t get me wrong. We are happy to have them. That is not at all the issue but it really is pathetic and I’m hoping the courts will recognize what’s going on here. We have them any day they don’t have school the next day. She isn’t a parent when she never has her kids. If she does they are in school. She doesn't work during that time so she get's to run around all day long yet we've found out that atleast once or twice a week she leaves them at home with her sister (grandpa's in a nursing home finally but sister moved in) . Again, I’m more than happy to have them home with us. I just hope that keeping track of all this will help in the future when SO returns to court.

I know we can't prove what's happening at her home but we can show all the time we have them AND our state does consider the childrens want's in terms of where to live. The oldest continally says she want's equal time between the homes.

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Livingoutloud's picture

Who is watching them when they are with you? I can’t imagine dad has that many vacations days as he hasn’t been at his job that long. 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

It’s a back and forth effort. SO and I rarely share days off so that’s 4 of the 7 that one of us will be home. During the other 3 the majority of the time we work opposite of each other. He leaves shortly after I get home and returns around 2AM. The kids normally sleep in till at least 8 or 9 and are big enough to manage themselves while he gets a tiny bit more sleep.

Basicly it's the same thing we'd do if we had them full time or any biochildren. It's the same way we'll handle summer if we still haven't moved to their same town.

The few times there is overlap between my time off and his going in my mom watches them for us. It’s normally only an hour or so.

If there is an emergency SO is able to take them to work with him. His boss is the one who brought it up in case there’s every an issue and SO gets called in. The kids are very well behaved and would most likely be spoiled while there so they’d love it.

susanm's picture

When do you have any time together????  I geth the whole "kids come first" bit but it sounds like your relationship is taking a serious beating!  I hope that you take somme time to get a babysitter once in a while and reconnect.  You deserve it for so actively participating in raising his kids when their mother can't be bothered!

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Honestly the relationship is strong. We've been together 2.5 years and we find time where we do. Remember that us having them through the week is not typical.

Normally there are two “days” where we don't really see each other. He comes home really late (1AM or later) and is asleep when I leave so I'll kiss him good bye. Then if I work a longer shift I might not see him like tonight but tomorrow he's off work so once I get home we'll do something together because Wednesday will be like tonight again.So a typical week is, two nights no see, two nights together alone, 2 nights with the kids and Sunday is a toss up. Some week's I have 3 days off and we do plan things in advance for us to really go do something special.

 

When we do have them we have our time after they go to bed and a lot of what we enjoy doing we share with the kids so it's really not that stressful. My mom is great too. She loves the kids and is willing to take them for a few hours now and then if we want to catch a movie or something and a few weeks back the kids wanted to stay with her so they did. She treats them just the same as my sisters children.

 

twoviewpoints's picture

I'm sure the kids will have fun.

But remember , while documenting, that you or your mother aren't different than when BM's sister watches the kids. A person other than the parent is still a person that is not their parent. The kid are still in one home or their other home where they are live, have their things and the parent is not. Someone else is caretaking in parent's absence. Nothing wrong in that, but you can't hold it against BM when Aunt babysit unless you also note when it's you and/or your mother babysitting instead of Dad. 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

A court can’t hold it against her but I can all I want. She’s a sh*t parent who refuses to actually take care of her kids. There’s a difference when the bio-parent is at work but that’s not the case here. 5 of the extra 9 days we are having are week days where BM doesn’t work. She hasn’t had but maybe 1 day off with the children since summer. Every single school holiday she’s asking us to keep them.

I’m not documenting aunt keeping them. We have them weekends because of work. We have them school holidays because she doesn’t want them. The only time she has them is throughout the school week and even then she can’t stay home to spend time with them. That I can hold against her. It’s different if it’s once in a while but out of the 4 evening she has them she only sees them 2. That’s her choice and that’s not what a PARENT should do.

I’m documenting every extra day they are in SO’s care to show a pattern. I’m including the messages that show the exchange happened. She can explain to the court why she should remain primary caregiver when she doesn’t keep the children unless she HAS to for them to go to school. Let the oldest tell the judge what happens during mommies time when the child request equal time between her parents as she’s made clear she wants.

Livingoutloud's picture

 If you are ok wuth having kids then it’s win win. I do agree wuth you that you have a shot at 50/50 after showing how much kids are with you

I wouldn’t bring up that kids are being watched by aunt and uncle though. It’s not wrong to be babysat by a family member and being watched by dad’s girlfriend is no way better . So i’d not bring that up.

I also see some contradictions. You mention BM never spends time with kids yet jusf recently you complained that she is always in kids school like daily including in the past constantly in boys classroom. That’s parenting. Might not be parenting how you see it, might not be hanging out on the weekends, but it is parenting. 

I’d not bring anything negative about BM or act combative in court. Asking for more time because SO loves his kids and wants them wuth him more is a good reason. Everything else is just unnecessary. Criticizing BM won’t get you browny points in court  

Overall asking for custody it’s kind of mute point as he lives an hour away. When are you moving to a new house that mom gave him? And what did military bases replied when SO and VA asked for records? Is there a proof of service now? 

Until records are corrected and he gets disability and mom gives him her house, nothing is going to change as dad lives too far away to share custody and can’t afford to move. It’s going to take a very long time. 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

SO and I will be married before we go to court. We've been together 2.5 years. We've agreed that if we absolutely had to we would go to the court house but I want a little more than that so we're holding off.

 

That being said I do understand that there is nothing wrong in the courts eyes for her to have anyone watch the kids. It's just a personal thing that frustrates us. That she has them 4 nights a week, she get's that privilege, and half of those she's out partying / drinking / whatever. She made a big deal about cutting her hours to only work weekends so she could be there for the kids.

 

The only thing we may do with this information is use her families statements against her. From nearly day one they have messaged him saying there are issues and they recognize that he is doing all he can from an hour away but we know they support him having equal time with the kids if it were possible and they are willing to share their reasons why with at least a letter to the court.

 

I fully believe being involved at the school is parenting. My issue is for her is “parenting for show”. She's mother of the year who can't be bothered to actually spend time with her kids outside of the school setting.

What I say here is what I think and CAN'T say in any other location for fear it would get back to her. I know better than to directly attack her in court but we will let her messages speak for her. Everything goes in the record. Every pick up and every exchange. Any messages about changing times and any of her going off for not getting her way. All of these things help show SO isn't just a weekend parent doing the bare minimum and that he is doing his best to co-parent with her.

And as I repeatedly say there is no intent to try and change custody now. We are fully aware that 50/50 is impossible with the distance and it near impossible they would consider changing primary cutosday at this time. All of this is building up the record for when the time is appropriate.

The home hasn't been given to him yet. His mother intends to give it to him after his grandmothers death. She is staying put until that time. She has made it clear she wants out of that town and there are already discussion on how to handle grandmother's belongings. I know that sounds cold but grandmother is suffering. She has cancer and Alzheimer's. She also has a new husband who is ignoring all of her family who knows she wouldn't want to be kept alive the way they are doing but she never completed the advance directives paperwork. The house is in mom's name already (and has been for years) so there isn't any concern about husband getting it.

SO met with the VSO last week. She is taking over trying to hunt for the old records. I'll be emailing her for an update later this week.

I know it's going to take time. As I keep saying this isn't for now. This is along game and every time she does this it's something that helps his future case.

Thumper's picture

The court could care less how wonderful it is that dad takes the children on no-dad-days. Its easy to hear the court might say "Mr Dad your willingness to co-parent, show  felixability is remarkable and this court is happy your able to see the children more. By all appearances you and bm ARE a 'fine example' of what family court hopes all parents can achieve...blah blah blah. keep up the good work DAD.".

 

Your DH would be better off going for 50 50 equal custody...asap.

Is BM going to give your home 9 days of child support for the kids? That is almost 1/3 of a month's cs.

Just asking. You dont have to answer that because i would be shocked if she gave you 10cents let alone 1/3 of her cs.

*I know it will be fun with the kids there*..

I hope your dh is able to have a more fair and balanced equal custody order. It's time dont you think...

You did know that cp should always have no kids at their home when the kids are not in school right? Wink Just look at custody orders...

 

 

 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

SO CAN'T go for 50/50. We currently live an hour from the kid's school. The point is to build up a record showing that SO IS caring for the children as close to 50/50 as possible. Once the distance isn't the issue his request will be for 50/50.

Most likely with just the move alone BM will “let” us have the kids more than 50% of the time. At the very least BM will continue to work weekends which means we'll continue to have them every weekend from when school lets out Friday. Most likely her family will refuse to keep them Sunday night know that SO is available and willing to keep them and she won't put fight. That's 3 nights a week. The order also gives SO 4 hours once a week. If you take those and put them together for just one more over night every other week, which is less disruptive to the children, there's 50/50. Also knowing BM those 4 hours once a week would most likely end up over nights both weeks because why should she have to come get the kids at 9 PM and end her night early.

The thing will be getting the court to see it's in the best interest of the children that the arrangement be made official. This is where BM's messages come into play. I wrote about the fun we had last weekend with BM threatening to withhold the children because she wasn't getting her way. LEGALLY she could but the court shouldn't approve of the way she uses the children to try and blackmail him.

The hope is by next summer we should be situated in the same town. Financially we might not be prepared for a court battle but that shouldn't be to far behind.

fakemommy's picture

When BM had custody, she asked DH to keep the skids much more often than his allotted time (for YEARS), and then she'd try to use this "extra" time against him and to control him. When we went to court, just for the first preliminary hearing, the judge was so pissed off about this that he officially awarded those days to DH in a temporary order. Documenting every extra day is so important. 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

See that’s my hope. I hope that the judge see’s that SO is doing his best to be an equal parent. That he is doing his best to co-parent and focus on what’s best for the children.

The goal isn’t to take the children from her. It’s to give them equal time between the homes. Something the oldest has expressed she wants and in general the court systems in most states agree should be the goal if possible.

We also can show that BM does use her custodial rights in an attempt to control SO. It shows that we can’t trust the stability of this arrangement without a court order backing it. As long as she is able to withhold the extra contact at will she’ll do it to try and get her way.

I'm not only documenting the extra days but I'm including the messages about them. I'm including the good and bad.