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How Do We Get Ss to Speak His Mind?

He will be 13 in a month and he still can't speak him mind to his mom. He tries a little but she shoots him down and he drops it. I'm sure Bm loves this but it's not at all normal for his age!!

She is beating down his spirit! I know it's not abuse or neglect but it's still not right.

Just recently, she bought him some new shorts because she didn't want to wash his clothes. Ss was upset because Bm made him buy shorts in the boys dept. even though he is wearing the smallest mens's size. Bm actually told ss that she refuses to buy him mens's clothes because they cost more!! What!! She hardly buys him any clothes anyway so it's not like she's spending a whole lot to begin with. That just makes ss feel like crap! That on top of that, he's not happy with how they fit but he is forced to wear them. Like this morning. He's upset because when I picked him up, he had to go straight to summer band from his mom's house. We didn't have time to go home and change. So his friends will see him in the shorts that are too short. Personally, I think they are border line but what matters is his opinion here, right?

I'm just so sick of this crap! We've tried encouraging ss to speak his mind to his mom but she has his self esteem beat so far down that he won't do it because he convinces himself that it won't do any good.

Dh and ss sat down last year with Bm and discussed this issue and she said that she would start listening to ss's opinion but she has NOT followed through with it. I think Dh needs to stop being so nice and just tell her that he's tired of it. Nothing else seems to work.

Dawn

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Sorry to hear..

We have the same thing too. Our SD 8 says that she doesn't want to hurt her moms feelings so she tells her what she wants to hear. I have tried and tried to explain that SD isn't doing BM any favors in telling what is essentially a lie to her but it just doesn't sink in. It's like they are brainwashed. In my case SD gets yelled at and it makes her feel bad.

I have decided that all we can do is keep trying to make her understand and let her know that she can speak the truth of what is on her mind in our home.

Let me know if you can find a break through!! Smiling

Is there a way to eliminate

Is there a way to eliminate mom from the issue and give kiddo what he needs, at least with regards to this issue? Sales are going on like crazy, buy 4-5 pairs of acceptable shorts and have him (quietly) take his new clothes to his mom's, or keep a change bag in the car?

that's what I would do when any of the other parents in my life weren't dressing the kids either appropriately or as the child was comfortable.

"The beauty of life is, while we cannot undo what is done, we can see it, understand it, learn from it and change, So that every new moment is spent not in regret, guilt, fear or anger, but in wisdom, understanding, and love."

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Gestalt-

My Dh has primary custody of ss so he has plenty of clothes here that he has picked out that fit. I don't always agree with what he chooses but unless it's waaaay out there I let him have his individuality. His mom just bought these shorts and he told her at the store but she didn't listen to him.

We used to have to bring a change of clothes with us whenever we were picking him up from his mom's and not going home first but I figure that ss's almost 13 and should be able to know what he is embarrassed about wearing and communicate that. I'm sure he will want to change when he gets home from summer band.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that my ss at 13 has more say in his schedule than say if he were 6? He has some opinions in this matter but we never know what to say to him. He's obviously afraid to tell him mom how he feels. He is resigned to be depressed about it until he is 18. I would hate to see that.

Maybe if we got the issue resolved about ss's mom not listening to him, he would be happier when he has to be there.

So now the question is how?

Dawn

I can't wrap my mind around

I can't wrap my mind around mom not listening to him about the clothes, but then again, I am like you- unless it's outrageous "wear whatever you want". It just seems like such a stupid thing for her to battle with her kid about.

I don't know about kids choosing their visitation, in some families it could work, in others not so much, example- Anne's stepkids.

As far as him speaking up with mom, that's a hard one. Who knows what would work- for him or for mom to listen to him. I can tell you that if my son were having issues being assertive and counseling wasn't a viable option, I would be looking at confidence builders, like a teen leaders group, or a fun mini boot camp type of thing, martial arts maybe....

"The beauty of life is, while we cannot undo what is done, we can see it, understand it, learn from it and change, So that every new moment is spent not in regret, guilt, fear or anger, but in wisdom, understanding, and love."

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Gestalt-

Yes, I have suggested that ss go back to counseling. We have also thought about signing him up for martial arts but ss says he doesn't want to do it. Should we tell him to try it and if he doesn't like it he can quit?

Dawn

That's what I always tell my

That's what I always tell my kids. Is there something he IS interested in doing?

"The beauty of life is, while we cannot undo what is done, we can see it, understand it, learn from it and change, So that every new moment is spent not in regret, guilt, fear or anger, but in wisdom, understanding, and love."

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unfortunately,

he's getting to the age where all he wants to do is sleep and play video games. He is in band, however, and seems to like that but doesn't want to put forth any extra effort. He could be really, really good if he put some more work into it.

I emailed Dh and told him about the martial arts thing. There is a place right down the street from our house. I think we'll call and get some details.

Ss seems to talk about martial arts like he likes the idea, just not the effort! Kids these days!!!

Dawn

That is exactly where my son

That is exactly where my son is at in life! He'll be 13 in January. I loaded him up HAHAHAHA...chores during the day, karate 2x per week, logrolling class, YMCA bikers on Mondays, teen leaders on Tuesdays. He argued it tooth and nail at first, but now he loves them all.

"The beauty of life is, while we cannot undo what is done, we can see it, understand it, learn from it and change, So that every new moment is spent not in regret, guilt, fear or anger, but in wisdom, understanding, and love."

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We used to do summer library

We used to do summer library but he got too old and they told him he couldn't sign up anymore after last year.

So the only thing he has is summer band. Oh, and Boy Scouts! You would think that would be good but it's like after he leaves the meetings, he doesn't think about it again until the next meeting.

His mom has never, ever singed him up for anything. Even the free things.

Dawn

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SD12 had the same problem

BM controlled her. After alot of talking and encouragement she stood up to BM. When she moved in with us she couldn't make her own decissions, she always wanted to call BM and ask and we wouldn't let her. She said she wanted to stand up to BM and couldn't. So I reminded her that BM was in North Carolina and we were in Georgia and what did she expect BM to do, get on her broom stick and fly here? She laughed and said no. I told her it would be ok that she could tell her BM anything and I would stand beside her why she talked on the phone to her. I told SD12 that at anytime she felt scared just remember the broom stick and if BM got mean or out of control to put her on speaker phone and I would take care of her. It took SD12 a couples of tries tell she got more confident but she finally did it.

Maybe your SS would stand up to her over the phone from your house or in person with you and DH there.

~Don't fear the thorns among the Roses, but be greatful for the Roses among the thorns~

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Maybe

but he said that Bm will ground him if he tries to speak his mind. Unfortunately, Bm only lives 3 min. from us so ss has to go there every Thur. and 1st and 3rd weekends. I told him that if that happened that his dad would call his mom. Ss said she wouldn't listen to dad. I said then dad would call again. Ss said then his mom wouldn't answer the phone.

So you see, he's not going to do it.

Maybe he needs to see Dh tell Bm about this stuff so he knows that someone will stand up for ss against Bm. I don't know.

Dawn

My SD's had this problem

heck, they still do and one is an adult and the other is 16. She has conditioned them so much to treat her with "kid" gloves, that they will NOT cross her. I don't know why your SS lives w/you, but if were anything like abandonment by the BM like my SD's, they are afraid to stand up to her for fear she will run off again. Ultimately, I do believe this was the reason for SD16 moving in w/BM. She wanted her to be right there, so she couldn't run off again. My BS is 10 and is totally shy and usually wears his little heart on his sleeve and cries instantly, if you correct him, so he usually avoids any kind of trouble. Not sure why that is, but DH and I have also talked a lot about putting him in martial arts, he doesn't want to b/c he is so shy, but I think I will make him at least "try" it. He does play baseball and loves it, but in the winter, there isn't much for him to do..... Hoped that maybe helped a little? Eye-wink

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Yes,

I think that my ss has a self esteem problem. Here, he is always talking about how wonderful he and smart and strong, etc. he is. It almost sounds like over compensation to me. It gets to be annoying after awhile.

I really think we will try the martial arts thing. Maybe they have some kind of a trial period. We don't want to force him to stay in if he hates it! That would be no better than Bm.

Dawn

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free classes

dawn, my oldest son was in martial arts mostly because he was smaller and younger than most of the kids in his class, plus his best friend was doing it, our local recreation center had a course in karate, I think we paid 40.00 or something like that for 6 classes??? this was a few years ago, anyhow my son LOVED it and his confidence went thru the roof, he became a black belt when he turned 16 then had to quit cuz of school and work, but at 22 he is still small but has the confidence of a giant.
I hope your ss likes it
oh the free part---once we moved to IN. there were no rec dept. so we found a dojo that offered 3 free classes.

"Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without one."

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