reallifedrama's picture

Anyone else deal with sending hubby and SK elsewhere for visits?

So, this weekend will be the first one since I have decided and told my husband he has to stay at my MIL's with his son. I reminded him again the other night, but I KNOW he is going to end up strolling in here with him and causing a fight.

I'm feeling really anxious, because I am not going to budge on it, but I think once it becomes a reality to my husband, all hell is going to break loose.

Anyone else make their hubby or SO do visits elsewhere? How's it work out, and how did it go the first time???

sueu2's picture

No experience with this to

No experience with this to offer. Just want to send you mighty thoughts of strength.

reallifedrama's picture

Thanks sueu2! Thinking back

Thanks sueu2! Thinking back on every paper I've ever had to write, every time I had to get up at 3:30 am to get to school on the bus in 12 inches of snow to be on time, and of how much I have done and sacrificed (including 6 classes, a full time job at a gas station, while living in my car, and taking care of my ex (kid's dad) while he was dying of cancer) and how my life has changed for the good....I have all the strength I need to stay firm with my decision. No way in hell will I let any of that be taken away over some hood rat psychotic, jealous BM who can't get a grip on her emotions.

I just really like having peace in my life and am not at all looking forward to the day from hell.

I also want to especially thank you, because I was really stuck on what to do and you helped me realize the option of sending them to MIL's on visit weekends....it so beats the alternative I was looking at-divorce.

cant win for losin's picture

YES. A year ago, I told fdh

YES. A year ago, I told fdh that he had to go visit his kid else where. Which pretty much meant at FMIL's house, who is basically raising the kid anyway. The kid lives there, and was coming to my house EVERY WEEKEND. Well, 2 years later enough was enough. Want to salvage what is left of our relationship fdh? Then take your kid and stay THERE on the weekends.

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Some days are okay, and other days i plot my exit.

When all else fails, just give 'em $10

reallifedrama's picture

Sorry to bug you, but can you

Sorry to bug you, but can you (if you don't mind) tell me how your husband reacted to that, how you responded, how you handle the long weekend without him home? I know, lots of questions. Not saying my situation will be the same, but maybe some of what you have to share would be helpful.

I'm not at all concerned about what my in laws will think, but I do wonder what will happen when BM finds out her kid doesn't stay here at my house on the weekends anymore (the kid will tell her).

cant win for losin's picture

i messaged you

i messaged you

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Some days are okay, and other days i plot my exit.

When all else fails, just give 'em $10

WTHDISUF's picture

I was close to staying in a

I was close to staying in a hotel every time my SS8 showed up. Husband basically doesn't have any family (not even bio kid) so either he was going with the brat to a hotel or I was. I felt it was easier for me to do it. But thankfully it didn't get to that point (yet, lol). Right around that time which was April, we moved due to DH job transfer. I thought that was going to solve some of my issues but apparently 4 hours is not far enough to stop the BM from pushing her Oopsie on us as often as possible. So by June I was going to stay somewhere else PERMANENTLY! Lol Again, didn't get to that point and this Month has actually been the best of our whole marriage. And it's not unnoticed that it's the first Month we haven't had the SS8 at all!

I think if it came to Husband not believing you and strolling in with the kid, maybe You should go just to show him how much you will not be around the kid if it's that much trouble? I don't know how inconvenient it would be but for me, I was willing to do anything necessary to get away from the toxic environment that's created when that kid is here.

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My happiness is my responsibility. Your kid is your responsibility.

reallifedrama's picture

I was actually going to drive

I was actually going to drive 3 hours to my son's every time he has his son, but that is just too much and I have a lot to do at home on the weekends. Since the kid's only 4, I would be doing this for a VERY long time. I can't afford to stay in hotels that often, either.

I'm just not putting myself out because my husband has decided to handle things up until this point with little exertion of effort and care. I don't blame him for what the BM puts in the kids head....I blame him for his lack of effort in responding to it unless I give him ultimatums...I already raised my kids, I'm not trying to raise a hubby. I know it should have been clear when I had to give him the ultimatums to get CO visitation and a restraining order to stop the nonsense, but I thought it was over with that, and that he didn't fully understand his rights. I gave him excuses and a free pass, but I made a mistake and that doesn't mean I have to continue to put up with BS because I did. I'm not leaving my house, I'm standing by my decision and if he can't handle it, he will have to act on it.

I'm sorry to ramble, but I'm actually talking to myself as I write this. Just trying to keep myself straight on why I am doing what I am doing and stay rational, rather than reactive. I really love my husband and am hoping that he loves me back enough to make good decisions this weekend, but I am obviously not secure in that.

WTHDISUF's picture

I understand because your

I understand because your response is a 'Wits end' response as was mine. It was not going to solve the real issue; it was just to get a breather while trying to work out the core issue (and a little to get a point across at how fed up I was). As young as your Skid is, that most certainly can't be the long term solution b/c that's not good for anyone. I don't know the history of issues but when he's gone this weekend or when you are, take the time to try to work out another solution.

I understand you are sticking to your guns and you've been through some tough stuff so you can handle this too. I'm not suggesting that you 'get weak' on this. I'm just guessing that just because you COULD handle it, doesn't mean you WANT to handle it. I was right there with ya and what I really wanted was to resolve it--with my marriage in tact. You're not going to change your husband and he's still learning so nothing will change instantly; maybe if you consider either of those resolutions "off the table" some other resolution could present itself. Good luck!

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My happiness is my responsibility. Your kid is your responsibility.

reallifedrama's picture

Yeah, I am worried about the

Yeah, I am worried about the stress it is going to cause us. I am really just getting sick of all the stress, and at 41, the last thing I want to think about is a divorce, especially because I love my husband, but until there is better options that I can come up with, I have to do this.

The alternative would be he comes here, makes up more lies, I lose my job, go under investigation, and I know I won't be able to live through that stress.

StickAFork's picture

Does your DH pay any bills in

Does your DH pay any bills in your home? Cuz if so, this has to be the most disrespectful thing I could think of for you to do to him.

I know, FOR DAMN SURE, if my DH tried to "send me away" to see my children, I'd slap his happy ass with divorce papers that day.

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Stick a fork in me... I'm done...

reallifedrama's picture

He does. We split them down

He does. We split them down the middle. I hear you and understand exactly what you are saying. I am going to assume though that you would not tolerate your child accusing your husband of "hitting him and being mean" to him and threatening to tell his daddy when your husband NEVER did those things, and NEVER EVER treated your child crossly. Had my husband handled that issue, there would be no reason for me to ask him to keep him at his mom's. I should not have to worry about drunks, crazy BM, child services, and BM's wild and crazy family entourage showing up at my door with weapons and have to put my career on hold because two grown adults-one with no balls and the other with no brains can not get themselves together enough to raise their child and teach him that lying is serious and wrong. I won't be a victim of their problem. So, yeah, he HAS to take him to his mother's.

I appreciate what you're saying and as a mom, I totally understand it, but you're looking at it from the perspective of you, who are raising your child in a positive, sane (at least I hope so) manner.

Quite frankly, I love my husband, but he isn't being respectful, and he has the option to accept my request, or leave.

oldhag's picture

Well it's nice that you can

Well it's nice that you can handle all the crap, and I assume your children are not allowed to ignore DH or be downright rude.

For some of us these are coping strategies - a way to let our DH know that the behaviours they are allowing has gone much too far.

They are also breathing space for the marriage. So, well, I am not allowing my kids to knife my marriage after the last visit of DH's spawn we were close to divorce. DH needs to set firmer boundaries with the skids. In that case IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILDREN we are working on other solutions. Just because it isnt the way many people live that does not mean it is wrong or disrespectful to anyone.

Marriage first, children second as it should be.

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CS - 3 months to go on Number 1, 4 years on Number 2.

reallifedrama's picture

I too am trying to figure out

I too am trying to figure out other solutions...my SS is not just rude, and does not just ignore me, because those things I have dealt with...the problem is that he lied and said, "{My Name} is mean and she hit me, and I'm telling my mommy"...he fell off his bike, scraped his knee, I was actually hiding and smoking a cigarette and he was with my husband when it happened. So, it's beyond rudeness and him ignoring me.

I respect what everyone feels and has to say here. I might not agree, but I know we tend to perceive situations based on our own experiences. I totally get someone thinking my choice is mean, rude etc etc etc. I am glad that there are others here that understand, though..although I'm not glad you have to suffer through it too.

Please, don't think I'm telling my husband "just go away with your kid". I am still in the process of trying to figure out another solution, but until then, I am protecting myself.

Clearly An Upgrade's picture

If a situation in your own

If a situation in your own home becomes so untenable that the only solution is to remove the stressor, then that's what you have to do. Fortunately my stressor was old enough to make the decision not to come to our home on her own, so I didn't have to give that ultimatum (but I was getting DAMN close).

However, when I was pregnant with DD2, I had to keep SD away from me. I was on pelvic bedrest, had pre-eclampsia, and a breech baby. Her lies, theatrics, manipulation, and grating voice were literally making me sick. The end of it was when she got in my face, threatening me in a violent and frightening way, and I was eight months pregnant. DH protected me without hesitation, and with vengence. I was hospitalized for almost 48 hours after the confrontation to stop the onset of labor. He knew immediately that SD could not be in the same vicinity as me again, at least while I was vulnerable and near my breaking point. He never brought up the idea of her coming to our home. He knew she had passed the point of no return with me, and he facilitated a few visits with her, alone, in public places.

I put all of that behind us when she truly seemed to want our closeness back. I gave my whole heart to her, again, without thinking twice. Should have thought twice.

If your DH can't understand why things need to be this way, he needs to see YOU. He's either not looking at what's happening to you, or just doesn't want to see it. You have no control over what's happening to your life because of BM and her spawn, and it's not petty things they're messing with. This is a total sabotage of your entire life. You shouldn't have to deal with this just because you love a man that has a child with someone else. That's scary and dangerous. Good luck, I really hope that your husband had his listening ears on the other night. Incredibly disrespectful and dismissive if he shows up with SS at your home. If he doesn't agree with what you've asked of him, he should at least be man enough to talk it through, HELP you come up with alternatives, and find common ground. Choosing to ignore what you're experiencing is not how things are resolved. All he's asking for by acting that way is broken trust and resentment. It isn't YOU that created this dynamic, and you have a responsibility to yourself to be healthy, happy, and successful. No one else can do that for you, but they can certainly create the opposite for you.

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No matter how much you revisit the past, there is nothing new there to see.

RisingAboveIt's picture

These words ^^^ are so close

These words ^^^ are so close to the talk I gave my DH before I said YSD(then15) couldn't come back in our home after she 'ran away' to live with BM. She was truly awful to live with- the lies and bitchiness were downright vile. Luckily for me, YSD didn't want to be in our home so we told her what she had to do to be welcomed back- and she didn't come back. Being polite to me was more than she could muster...

To the OP: It IS a sabotage of your entire life; this is your safe place, your home. It's ridiculous for someone to tell you- someone in obvious emotional distress that they should feel enough marital guilt to suck it up and allow the stressor in their lives to come in and torment them some more. Complete crap. Your DH's job as your partner is to help shield you from this, not pile on more stress. He has more options than you and it's his responsibility to take care of his son AND you.

You should be respected in your own home by every one who enters it- period. If your DH brings the stressor into your home after knowing your feelings, you can still handle it. Have a back-up plan in case this happens this weekend and maybe you won't feel so unprotected. I'm hoping all goes well for you. But please remember that you always have a voice and you are strong- if things don't go the way you need them to you can speak up and change it at any time. (Telling my DH what I need in a clear, calm voice goes a long way.) Good luck, and let us know what happens.

reallifedrama's picture

Clearly An Upgrade, thank

Clearly An Upgrade, thank you! I am up right now, because I am so stressed out over this mess that I can't sleep (gonna be a fun morning when the alarm rings at 5:30). I can't tell you how much a message like this means to me...I'm sitting here alone, no one to talk to, and sad and I know this is so corny, but I just felt like your message was a hug.

Kes's picture

Good luck with this - I liked

Good luck with this - I liked ClearlyanUpgrade's reply. It nearly reached a point where I was going to ask DH to do this, ie meet SDs elsewhere, as I was so stressed out by them. I think he would have agreed, too, as he realised I was at breaking point. However, things are a little calmer now. Will be interested to know how things go from here, he has somewhere to be with his son - MIL's, so I don't see any reason he can't do this.

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Veteran disengaged SM of 11 years.

reallifedrama's picture

I will definitely let you

I will definitely let you know how it goes, and hopefully, my husband will be willing to work on how we can fix this IF he decides to respect me and take his son to MIL's without incident.

oldhag's picture

Yes I am in that situation at

Yes I am in that situation at the moment, it's an ongoing process. DH has spent one visit in a hotel with SS's but and this is an interesting point. My point is that both of SS's together are hellions, the behaviour becomes intolerable and stressing, separately they are ok with me. However DH spent that last visit with OSS for 2 days in a hotel and then YSS for 2 days in a hotel - so he split the visit and didnt have both of them together. (Quite telling) He was gone for 4 days.

This was always a temporary solution in DH's eyes though I would be happy to never see OSS again as he is the instigator.

Next week we return to having YSS visit here alone. At this time I do not know what happens with OSS, that is between him and his father but OSS isnt using my home as a hotel and treating me poorly. So as we go forward we have one skid visiting at home and another ????? (They are teens)

DH has told OSS that he is now old enough to ask to visit when he wants rather than have things arranged but the downside to that (as far as OSS is concerned) is that he has also been told by DH that he OSS must make an effort with me. So far OSS has made no movement towards me and we are both expecting him to request to visit when he and DH ususally do their "hobby thing". What OSS does not realise is that he isnt going to the "hobby thing" DH is not taking him, due to his behaviour during his last visit at our home.

So I expect it will all kick off next month when that realisation hits.

Not my problem, not my kid.

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CS - 3 months to go on Number 1, 4 years on Number 2.

reallifedrama's picture

Wow! It's amazing to see how

Wow! It's amazing to see how many other SP's are in this situation, or have tried this.

runt71's picture

I have often wondered if this

I have often wondered if this would help us. The SD is a spoiled demanding brat that is good as long as no one tells her no. My son and I have made plans to "be out of town" this weekend, but there are fall festivals I would like my soon to be DH and I to go to.
So, my stubborn streak has said bull poop. He and I are going and if she cuts up she can sit in the car. Not going to let 4 days a month ruin our relationship. Still have my heels dug in that I will not be a personal chef this weekend. Cereal and sandwiches will have to do. I will cook supper but that's it.

reallifedrama's picture

I'm actually not doing this

I'm actually not doing this over my SS's "poor behaviors". I'm doing this because he accused me of hitting him. I have a career that requires me to have child abuse clearances and even an accusation will show up on my clearances and I can't risk it.

I agree with you not being a "personal chef". If your husband chooses to allow her to act like "a spoiled brat", then, I'd say it's his responsibility to deal with her. You can just walk away with your child and go have fun.

runt71's picture

We just finished this

We just finished this conversation. I told him I will not tolerate the behaviors and bs that happens every other weekend. I won't allow my kids to be rude to him and if he thinks I am going to tolerate it one more time I have a news flash for him. He just left to go pick her up (I don't go because I don't think it's my place to drive an hour one way because he won't stand up to the ex to meet us half way, that and every time she opens her mouth I have a hard time with my filter ... The one that tells you to shut up n not tell them what you really want to). He says they are going to have a talk about it. Will see.

reallifedrama's picture

How did everything go???? I'm

How did everything go???? I'm so glad you got it out on the table. Have faith....today was a big day for me and it is working out, I am hoping you have your day, too! I think just the fact you said something and he agreed and didn't get mad at you or blame you is a start. Please keep me updated on how it went!!!!

wayinovermyhead's picture

When DBF was married to BM I

When DBF was married to BM I gathered he used to take the girls for the weekend and go to his mothers house. (b/c they were in a lovelss marriage) I don't think it would take much prodding from me to steer him in that direction again since he's a mama's boy. In fact, it would give him more time with his family, less time of me doing battle with SD6 and more time to myself. The problem with that is that it gives SD6 full reign to play mini-wife without anyone having a problem with it. I HATE THIS STEP SHIT!!!!!!!!

reallifedrama's picture

it sounds like you can

it sounds like you can actually do this and you and your husband can deal with it, but you will just have to remember that her behaviors are not your problem, and probably not ones you can fix. The mini-wife thing is something the BF and BM will have to teach her better about. Good luck.

Clearly An Upgrade's picture

The most obvious thing I'm

The most obvious thing I'm getting from the content of all the posts on this topic, (and most other threads as well) is that the SM's have tried, and tried, and tried again to find a solution other than "banning" skid from the house. It goes without saying that the bulk of the SP's on this site are here because we CARE about our DH/DW's, and their kid(s), and we're killing ourselves with the anxiety and efforts of getting to that blissful (albeit elusive) place of cohesive blended family status.

We all have our own roadblocks on the way to that "dream"; whether it be a crazy BM that lays on the PAS, an assh*le skid, an unsupportive DH, meddling in-laws and other extended "family" members, or a combination of all of the above. The SM especially is crippled in these situations, because we want to fix and give our love, yet we have very little power or "rights" to do so. In reality, we are the modern equivalent of Sysiphus pushing the proverbial boulder up the hill, only to have it all come crashing down again when we finally start to feel peace. And then we start pushing all over again, this time a bit worse for the wear and weakened. (I have equated it with being emotionally disabled...hypothetically speaking, I am now Sysiphus hauling my boulder of pain up a Everest sized mountain while in a wheelchair and blinded.)

There have been very few situations that I have exerted more effort for, and have received less recognition for than step-parenting. I LOVE my SD. She will always carry a piece of my heart (and occupy a large space in my brain). To the detriment of my own health, marriage, bio kids, and personal values, I have fought long and hard for SD. For what? Hopefully it will all be for something at some point, right now it seems all in vain.

I would venture to say that very rarely would a SM/SD make a unilateral decision to exclude their skid(s) from their home without major provocation, legitimate reasoning, and extreme duress. I certainly didn't want it to be this way. Again, I LOVE MY SD. I have helped in raising her since age one. I want success, a strong, loving relationship with her father (and my bios, her 1/2 sibs), emotional health, and many other positive things for her. But I can't MAKE her act in healthy ways. Her modus operandi (when the going gets tough), is to bail out on whoever she deems is standing between her and what she wants (and it's usually something material). Through her BM, she has been taught that if someone "loves" you, they will continue to chase you, beg for you to grace them with your presence, no matter how badly you treat them. And if the person doesn't play that BS game, then they don't love you, and they're an abusive deadbeat. That prepares her for real world experiences HOW?

It sucks all the way around, because all I want is for my SD to OPEN HER F*CKING EYES!! We DID fight for her, we DID chase her, we DID eat crow (when we'd done very little wrong), just to have her back in our lives, just to be shafted and sh*t on EVERY damn time.

It takes a LOT for an otherwise happy and sane person to get to a point where they feel the only choice is to keep the skid out of their home and personal space. This type of action is very rarely a "first resort". And even after that decision has been made, it's still hurtful and conflicting to the SP, who still holds out hope for a peaceful "someday".

Reallife...I really hope that your DH doesn't just toss you under the bus for being FORCED to make this difficult, monumental decision. He is the ONLY one that can help diffuse the ABUSE that you are being subjected to by HIS son, HIS Ex, and HIS Ex's entourage. You are only trying to protect all that you have worked so hard for in your life, as well as your health. As far as who pays the bills in your home? Who cares? DH will be paying ALL of the bills if you are destroyed professionally anyway, so that argument is completely superfluous. You wouldn't allow any of your kin to treat your DH the way you're being treated by his, I'm sure.

I'm so glad that my post could bring you some comfort during your time of feeling very much alone. I am sending an official hug your way, and keeping you in my thoughts this weekend. Keep us posted, and PM me anytime. I'll be responding to your last PM a little later (I'm chasing my two year old around all day). You're a strong, thoughtful, and compassionate person, of that I have no doubt.

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No matter how much you revisit the past, there is nothing new there to see.

reallifedrama's picture

sorry double post

sorry double post

reallifedrama's picture

"It goes without saying that

"It goes without saying that the bulk of the SP's on this site are here because we CARE about our DH/DW's, and their kid(s), and we're killing ourselves with the anxiety and efforts of getting to that blissful (albeit elusive) place of cohesive blended family status."

I actually didn't think I'd find much out here in cyber world that would help me. I figured it would be a lot of b*tching and complaining, but I agree with you that most people here care and go through more with their SK, BM , S/O, DH than they have probably gone through with anything else in life to make it work.

Just when I think no one can understand me any better, I see more messages that nail everything I'm thinking, feeling, and dealing with.

"Through her BM, she has been taught that if someone "loves" you, they will continue to chase you, beg for you to grace them with your presence, no matter how badly you treat them. And if the person doesn't play that BS game, then they don't love you, and they're an abusive deadbeat"---I believe you must know the BM I'm dealing with after reading this lol.

The majority of people here IMO are doing exactly as you say and fighting an uphill battle. It's amazing to see so many caring, kind and truly good hearted people really exist.

Clearly An Upgrade, you have undoubtedly been fighting this battle with a pure heart, strength, and doing whatever is in your power to get up the hill. Thank you for sharing with me. It serves to not only comfort me, but it also reminds me to maintain my respect and continue to fight this battle "clean".

RisingAboveIt's picture

I love my husband, but I

I love my husband, but I think I'm crushing on Clearly An Upgrade...!

Very well stated, and if you can look through the trolls and bitterness there ARE many kind, caring SMs here to help out the best they can with advice based on their life experiences. I only wish I had this site ten years ago!