This is the update of our situation.
Yesterday, I had a heart to heart talk with my husband, and I thank him for giving me the opportunity of clearing my thoughts and he also thanks me for giving him a chance to express his side of the story. Unfortunately, the end result is not very well.
He told me he loves me with all his heart, but he has been in denial regarding his daughter. I thought he has delt with the disappointment with his previous marriage, but I realized that he STILL feels extremely guilty of filing a divorce, he told me he felt he only thought about himself, as a result, his daughter had to endure the pain and frustration of living in a single parent household.
I felt traped, I felt violated, I felt deceived. I now come to a realization that my unborn child and I will never be EQUALLY important as his daughter. My husband even admitted to me, "Our unborn will always be loved by both parents, my daughter can only be truely loved by me. So maybe we ought to give her full attention."
I asked him if he wanted me to get an abortion because it seems like he did not want this child at all. His response, "Of course not, but he/she will have both of us, my daughter only has me."
I couldn't believe what I heard. I told him I had morning sickness, terrible terrible ones, has he ever for once asked me how was I handling it? He never tried to feel my belly, talked to my unborn, or even paid any attention to our baby. If he really did not want anything to do with our unborn baby, (I know he/she is only a fetus right now) why bother had unprotected sex with me?!
ALl I got is dead silence. I told my husband that I no longer love him because I realized he was a liar. If he really felt THAT guilty, he should have waited till his daughter is old enough to even considering dating again. I owe his daughter nothing, I owe him nothing, I am a great stepmom and your daughter knows it.
My husband said nothing. He kept on telling me he did not want his daughter to feel neglected.
I don't know what to do at this point. I don't see the point of communicating anymore because he has made his point very clear. The next logical move for me is to leave the relationship which is highly toxic for myself and for my unborn.
I feel so bad for my unborn. I thought my husband was a great dad and would make a wonderful father for our children. But I have realized in his eyes, his daughter is the only person who kept him going. I meant nothing, my child will mean nothing.
That been said, by no means am I suggesting leaving is easy for me. I am torn. Divorce is scary to me, being a single mother turns my stomach. So I want to ask you all a favor by not judging me, please give me some sound advices.
A. Do I give my husband another chance?
B. will my situation get better? Will he ever treat us (my child and I) equally well as he treats his daughter?
C. What seems to be a better solution for my unborn baby? Stay in a relationship where I feel trapped and resentful, or leave the relationship so that I give this child a broken home.
I am really at my wits end.
Before you answer my questions, please do understand that I don't need a lecture from anybody, I don't need anybody to tell me that I screwed up my marriage, I really felt I have done nothing wrong. Thank you


My first intro post:
My first intro post: http://www.steptalk.org/node/76111 in order for all of you to understand my situation better.
Yes, I agree with everything
Yes, I agree with everything you said. I need to make a wise decision for my own child.
"Our unborn will always be
"Our unborn will always be loved by both parents, my daughter can only be truely loved by me. So maybe we ought to give her full attention."
"Of course not, but he/she will have both of us, my daughter only has me."
Does his daughter not have a mother? I didn't read the entire thing, but why does his daughter "deserve" the parental love from 3 parents?
My stepkid's bio mother has
My stepkid's bio mother has moved on. My husband has sole custody. She is not an evil person, she is just not there anymore. She is remarried, sees her daughter perhaps three times a year. Her daughter really has no relationship with her.
Have you guys tried marriage
Have you guys tried marriage counseling - there was a great post today about a therpaist helping a dad see vactions differently in light of a having a blended family. Totally different topic I know - but, sometimes they canhelp both parties have a different perspective on what is going on.
Loving a new baby doesnt mean the older children are loved any less - if that was so traditional families would only have one kid and stop. Your husband has on blinders and is missing out on the love of his baby by beleiveing this way.
He is also creating another entitled shitty kid and trust me, there are enough crappy kids in the world that he doesnt need to add to the headcount.
What have I gotten myself into??
I really don't know. He
I really don't know. He doesn't believe in coulseing, I see no point of going to counseling. Quite frankly, I don't even know if I am still in love with him at this point. I feel so trapped, deceived and violated.
Yes, i have always been
Yes, i have always been independent. Had a great job and had enough money saved up. At least enough to get myself through child birth. I have loving parents who support me, I can always seek help from them.
I can always find a job and try to be independent again. Maybe by leaving, he would realize he has missed out on a good relationship. I was the woman who took care of HIS child, I was the woman who quit her job to stay at home to give her undivided attention. Now this is what I got!
But enough is enough, maybe it is time to move on.
I think he rushed into
I think he rushed into relationship with you without fully getting over his first marriage and his divorce. He does need therapy, but you can't force him. The situation might get better but he has to be open for that.
Even if his DD does nto have a mother there is no such thing as "deserve" to have 3 parents.
My DH also thinks that somehow his DDs deserve special treatment because their mother is a raging alcoholic. It is like my DD does not need to be cuddled because both her dad and mom are normal people. This is crazy!
Exactly!!! This is exactly
Exactly!!!
This is exactly how I felt. If he doesn't want another child, why bother having unprotected sex with me? If he doesn't want to give my child the same attention he gave to his daughter from previous marriage, what is the point of telling me "he/she will always be loved by both of us." I cannot stand the thought that he would neglect my baby. It is beyond crazy!!!
I am not even asking him to give my unborn child MORE attention, I was only asking "equality" Is it really unreasonable to ask? His mentality doesn't make any senses to me right now.
when i have met my DH we were
when i have met my DH we were already kind of too old to have kids, i felt sad about it.
but now as i got to know SDs and watch his interaction with them and with his grandkid, I think it was a smart choice to not have kids together.
he would be forever guilty and afraid that SDs would be jealous so he would never give OUR child equal attention out of fear and guilt. I see it now.
Another guilty daddy, in the
Another guilty daddy, in the making here and I have some sad news for you, your baby will live in the shadow of guilt, of the older one. Get used to feeling like a single mom or just leave him. I KNOW when you are pregnant, you want to try so hard. BTDT
No. He has never been in love
No. He has never been in love with her, but then again, maybe he has never been in love with me. I just feel so trapped. I can only think about my unborn right now. Honestly.
You are like; " Hello?! Can't
You are like; " Hello?! Can't you see this beautiful baby and woman beside you now that really want to love you and NOT just take you to the cleaners?" !
I don't even know what
I don't even know what "guilty father" meant until I found this site. Now I know, he displays many many of those symptoms of guilty father. If he refused to treat my unborn equally well as he treats his daughter, I am not going to stick around. It is not fair to me and my child. It is not fair for my stepkid either, I know I already resent the situation so much and I don't want to take it out on her. But I am getting there.
Please reconsider your
Please reconsider your position on counseling. If you've not tried it, you really can't knock it, right?
I really, truly believe it could help you both, but at the very least it could help you. Hell, frame it in the context of how good it would be for his daughter's sake if you two sought family counseling, if he thinks she's so damaged from the divorce.
If you think you are in a bad place now, which I don't blame you and do really feel sorry for your situation, you could be in a much worse, even dangerous place after the baby comes. Post partum depression can be very real. I personally suffered from it with both kids, but especially while going through something traumatic after the birth of my first.
Please, please see a counselor. They are not just for "crazy" people. They are trained professionals who are skilled at helping you organize and work through the tangle of feelings you have going on. They are skilled at helping you create life goals and executing plans, whether this turns out to be staying or leaving. A counselor could also be a safety net for you during the really hard times to come, especially post partum.
And, since I always like to throw this in, it couldn't hurt to read Stepmonster. Helps you understand the care and feeding of the Guilty Daddy.
Yes thank you. I am
Yes thank you.
I am considering seeking professional help by myself. But now, this pregnancy is taking an emotional and physical toll on me. Terrible morning sickness, always dizzy, my doctors have put me on different meds and I probably even suffer from anxiety disorder.
I think I am going to make an pointment to see a therapist in a month or so.
Thanks everybody for your support and kind words. It means a lot to me.
Good thought process, Honey,
Good thought process, Honey, but why wait a month? Not trying to be flippant, I swear.
I puked my guts out all 9 months with both kids, not just in the mornings either. This is a really, really hard time. Why not get all the resoureces you can now rather than later?
Best wishes...
Honey, I'm trying to
Honey, I'm trying to understand why you feel your unborn child (of only 2 months along) is neglected at this point. Maybe I missed a previous post. In many ways, your situation is favorable because your DH has primary custody and you two CAN work on having a nice little family together with your two kids. You haven't said anything about how he's planning on treating both his children with a discrepancy, just that he feels he needs to "be there for his daughter". For a child, having the abandonment of your mom is huge. So, your hubby was selfish and pulled himself away from her mom and feels guilty about it and want's to make sure she does't suffer, right? I'm not reading from your responses that he's planning on FAVORING/NEGLECTING one child over the other once you give birth. Sounds like he's pretty overwhelmed right now and is kinda shut down. I guess, I'm not sure you are seeing things as they are really going to be once the baby is part of both of your lives.
In my honest opinion: I would
In my honest opinion: I would start preparing my EXIT now while the baby is still comfy in your belly and you can lug him/her around as you prepare.
Being a single mother is NOT as bad as people make it sound. Is it hard? YES. Will living with a partner that treats you like sloppy seconds be easier? NOPE. Single motherhood will be easier.
You have a supportive family and are an independent woman who can probably be fine all by yourself. Find yourself a good man that will love you and your baby and don't stay stuck in that mess. You and your baby deserve better. Good luck.
Honestly, the above poster is
Honestly, the above poster is right. At least when you are a single mom, you have the place to yourself and are not having to feed another mouth and try to make them happy.
Oh, and the traumatic post
Oh, and the traumatic post partum situation I mentioned before...it was going through a divorce, by the way. We lived to tell about it, my daughter and I. My daughter might even be normal, but I can't say for sure yet
Although not directly, my DH
Although not directly, my DH indirectly let me know the same originally. With that, I began to find as many books and articles I could about the importance of DADs vs. MOMs in a child's life. I also focused, he was a boy, on getting them things together at birthdays, etc. matching shirts, blah, blah, blah...everything to help him feel closer to the child. Although that sometimes worked, he still felt "bad" for his daughter...however, I once had a heart to heart with him and basically said..."ok, you know the importance of a dad in a kid's life...how it impacts them, etc...right?" he agreed...but still had the whole skid thing in his mind. With that I said "ok, so if you feel that you have messed up ONE kid by you not being there blah, blah, blah...WHY ON EARTH do you want to mess up a SECOND kid? Don't you think it would be best to be there in the SAME WAY for both of them and at least have the hope that ONE of your kids isn't as messed up as the first? Or would you rather have one messed up kid because of your divorce and another whose parents are not divorced, but that is messed up because daddy didn't care enough about them because he only tried to rescue the first?" After that, I think he got it. It didn't mean he couldn't be there for his first kid, but it did mean that he understood that there was only so much he could do for the first, but being with the second every day, there were things that he could do to really mess him up or help him succeed. He chose to be there for our son, treat him the same, do special things with him, etc. and ensure that he has the most awesome relationship with his son, instead of leaving him behind and only worrying about his daughter. Again, he still tried to be there for his daughter, but NOT at the expense of his son. He knew that there was only so much he could do for his daughter if he wasn't with her 24/7 and although he continued to try, he was able to let go of the guilt and to be there for our son just as he deserved as well.
Good luck.
thank you so much!
thank you so much!
Great advice!
Great advice!
steppin up, Thank you for
steppin up,
Thank you for your kind words.
I have asked my husband if he can take me to see the doctor on my next appointment (A month from today). He said, "I will do my best, but if I am too busy, I don't think I can make it."
He has NEVER taken me to see my OB ONCE, not even ONCE!! His excuse is that I don't have a job, I am a stay at home mom (yes, a mom to YOUR child)
I cannot see how this will work either. I don't know if he is overwhelmed right now, confused, or like other ladies point out, men have to feel the connection with their unborn the day they hold babies in their arms? What is it?
IN the doctor's office, I see many husbands take good care of their pregnant wives, hold their hands, carry their bags, I feel I am already a single mother.
I can pretty much tolerate him putting me second, but he is not going to put my child second. I never knew how strong I am until now. I will leave if he refuses to even see my side of the story.
his ex wife and I used to
his ex wife and I used to work at the same company. We are very civil with each other. According to her, (again, I was not there, so I could only take her words for it), my husband was very stubborn and never took no for an answer.
He is a very responsible man, but he is not the "romantic" type. I used to tell him to be a bit affectionate and romantic, he was okay for a while (a week), then went back to his old self.
It is always "Either my way, or no way." ALso, he doesn't take criticism well at all.
You and his ex describe the same man. You didn't notice that. Did you notice he happened to be the same man you married? He never was the man you want him to be. We women have a tendency to fall in love and think everything will be like the fairy tale. When the blinders come off and we see our own reality, we don't like it and it's not what we want. In the meantime, we discover how we participated in building a life in real life. You're now thinking your hsuband won't be such a wonderful father to your child, but he never was to his own child either since there were discipline problems from the start. All the love and attention didn't make him a good dad. That he was never attentive, loving, and romantic with you didn't make him husband material, so I don't understand where you want his concern for your pregnancy to come from. Now that he has come right out and woken you from the fantasy, you feel deceived, but he was the same guy all the while. I know you see this as lecturing since I'm not bashing your husband, sympathizing with you, and telling you how right you are. I'm pointing out that you made mistakes too. He is wrong, but my point is that he's been wrong - wrong for you - from the beginning, while you made the mistake of marrying the man you wanted him to be and not the man that he is. Most women are that way and then want suggestions for what they see as him being the problem. Now, you're hurt and frustrated and confused as to what to do about it.
What to do about it is to first stop being hurt and frustrated and confused. He is not the way he is just to hurt and frustrate you. It doesn't make him terrible to be the way he is. He is not abusive to you. He is not being mean to you. Basically, all this means is you don't have your knight in shining armor and you don't like that reality. He is wrong in the way that his guilt has driven him to spoil his daughter. He is wrong to think spoiling her and expecting your marriage to revolve around her is the way to conduct a marriage or is conducive to creating a good life together as a family. He just has to see that he's wrong, but you can't be the one to show him though. Someone else has to make him understand that his wife and marriage come first. You are supposed to be the other adult in the house. You are supposed to be the second head of household. You are supposed to be the other half of a united front. This means the children in the house do not run the house. The children don't get all the attention. The children are disciplined and put in their place, and the wife isn't expected to live by his approval and permission as if she is less than one of the children. He has to be made to understand that. As far as him being the affectionate and romantic type, you may never get to have that with him. You knew you were not marrying a man who is affectionate and romantic. It is imperative though for you to demand respect. The only way to demand respect is to not tolerate his disrespect.
The next thing to do is decide the life you want. You did what most women do by following the man's lead thinking he loves you, when he has no idea how to love you the way you need to be loved. Decide what you want, and then decide to either demand more from your husband or to leave and find happiness elsewhere. The child may be his daughter, but this is not HER marriage. It is yours, and you cannot be expected to live by his edicts, which is to cater to his daughter and let her run the show.
When you make your decision of what you want, you have to tell him what you want, what you expect of him, and what you expect of the marriage. Tell him, and then ask him if he is willing to give that to you on a continual basis (not just a week or two). If he agrees, then tell him he HAS to attend both marriage counseling with you and parenting classes with you. He will resist and argue that he's agreeing to be the kind of husband you are asking him to be, but he refuses to attend counseling and classes. You have to impress upon him then that they go hand-in-hand because he has no idea what he is agreeing to - that he's just agreeing to appease you. It is clear if he knew how to be the husband you need him to be, then he's been holding out on you......or he simply does not know how and that means the marriage needs counseling.
He likely will still refuse. He has given you the usual but lame reasons most men give about marriage counseling. It means he is refusing to change, which also means he has no intention of keeping his word for the first part that he agreed to. At this point, you have to tell him the marriage depends on the two of you attending counseling and classes.
(This is letting him know you will leave if he continues refusing to learn how to make it better. I must submit right here that you cannot go through these motions if you are not convicted. You cannot make this demand of him and threaten to leave if you don't have the nerve to actually leave. If you don't, then don't begin this line of conversation. It means you will have accomplished nothing and nothing will change. You have to be resolved and willing to either remain in the marriage the way it is or have the nerve to do what it takes to demand your rights as his wife.)
Sue, this is beautifully
Sue, this is beautifully said.
Thanks so much, MacMom. I
Thanks so much, MacMom. I usually get bashed on this board because I don't boohoo along with every complaint other stepmoms make.
Thank you Sue for your
Thank you Sue for your advices.
I really am considering leaving. I have to have a talk with my brother and my parents and see if they can help me. I have very loving families, so I am sure it is not going to be a big deal for them.
I just am so sad I feel so overwhelmed. But I cannot do this anymore. I feel if my husband just want his daughter in his life, then I will do him a big favor by leaving.
There's a possibility that
There's a possibility that your husband truly doesn't realize that the way he's now chosen to proceed with the situation is not productive. I think it's pretty honest and evolved of him to admit he's been in denial--it's just what he's doing about it that is not appropriate. He just needs to take the next step and realize he has to let it go instead of trying to undo what has happened in the past. My DH harbors quite a bit of guilt from his previous divorce and for years he kept pushing me to treat SS9 like a wounded bird. I slowly and calmly started showing him book excerpts and advice from psychologists ("i know you want the best for SS9, so i got this book on blended families. It says something interesting...Can we try that because I think it would make me feel a lot better, too?") Over the course of about a year, it really opened his mind to the possibility that he might be overdoing it.