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Nobio's picture

Who gets this reply? "You never had kids, how would you know what is best?"

It is really hard to live in a house where a skid rules the roost and you just have to live with it.

Rags's picture

Who said you have to tolerate it? "You are right. I have never spawned a disgusting ill behaved POS kid and if I had children of my own I would not tolerate the bullshit you have created in yours. I may not have given birth or procreated but I was a kid once, I was raised by parents with standards, and I clearly recognize when someone is failing miserably to raise a decent human being. So, what are YOU going to do to turn the tide and actually turn the product of your clearly shallow and polluted gene pool into decent adults?"

Stepdrama2020's picture

I see you were giving brilliant straight forward advice way back when! 

This is good!

 

Disneyfan's picture

People say the same thing about being a step parent.

You don't have to be a parent or step parent to give someone valid/solid advice.

SugarSpice's picture

pure bs. who says simply spawning a child makes you the authority on raising them? look at all the bad parents in the news who have their children taken away by child protection agencies. if i had a child, i would never let them get away with the crap i see children get away with. and then, of course its societys burden once they hit their teens and enter adulthood.

hereiam's picture

I did not have children by choice but that does not mean that I don't have common sense, don't know what proper manners are, don't know how children should behave, don't know how and when to discipline, and don't know what's in a child's best interest.

Women that have given birth don't automatically know all of this the minute their water breaks. Men don't automatically know how to be a father just because their sperm fertilized an egg. A lot of people have paternal instincts without actually creating children. A lot of people who are parents, have no common sense and don't know a thing about proper parenting, hence all of the out of control brats in the world (and on this site).

My DH has NEVER used that line on me, he knows it is a fallacy. In fact, he has always says I would have made a wonderful mother.

If your SO or whoever is saying that, yet the kid is ruling the house, well, guess the joke's on him. He's the one who doesn't know jack about parenting.

iwishforpeace's picture

THANK YOU. I have an adult SD and am at the end of my rope. New to this and am so happy to have others who understand. So weary of being the stepmother who knocked herself out for 30 years to make this woman have a life with her father. I'm not a pushover and I've paid for it. Thanks for all being here.

Nobio's picture

I know the line is BS but there it is. My DW is a great woman, but a roadkill parent. I came in with the attitude that I'd save the day only to have her resent me for "trying to push my will on everyone".... Seriously considering disengagement.

happystepmum's picture

Well I have no bio kids either, but I was the one who knew there was something wrong with SD. As it turns out she has now been diagnosed with ASD!!

Neither of her parents had a clue that it is not normal for seven year olds to bite their parents and tantrum for 3 hours straight until I said something.

Dafaq?

BanksiaRose's picture

Except we're talking about tweens and teens here. Wild shrieks that go on for hours because internet is a bit slow, serious property damage because of repetitive, obsessive behaviors, food choices restricted to about 5 items (all junk), and daddy thinking that it's just his bad luck. The mother has croaked early on, but her whole immediate family was ridden with severe mental health disorders, severe intellectual disability along with some deadly physical health issues. Mind boggles how no one connected the dots.

Rags's picture

Nope, I have not spawned any children but I have raised one. Like most kids he has had his moments but he is now a self supporting viable adult, he is respectful, he is not a criminal, he serves his country, and he is making a life for himself.

Time to ask your SO a very pointed question.

So, why are you failing so miserably as a parent since you are apparently biologically qualified to parent where I am not? 

At least that is what I would say to anyone who said that to me.

While non-breeders do not have BKs, we are all BK's, we all have grown up, we have all had parents, we have all experienced the example of parenting that we were raised with.

We also have an advantage over any breeder. We do not have the self delusional rose colored glasses that breeders have when looking at the behaviors and performance of their own progeny.  

Non breeder SParents see reality, not delusion.  We see facts, not fee fees.

ChiefGrownup's picture

I only had to say it once: "By that logic, BM is an expert at parenting."

The resulting laughter was so raucous it registered at an earthquake monitoring station 3 states over.

TakemySKIDS's picture

Before i had our daughter I was told this same line.

My partner thought I would need 'schooling'when I became a parent since he already had éxperience'.

i didn't have children for 34 years of my life but i knew darn well that SD5 and SS8 were weird.

Now he seems to resent that i raise my daughter different to his little shites.

I look back at the times when I wasn't a mother and SD would cry just because i touched her or SS would make it a point to not talk to me.

any man/woman who has a loving woman/man without her/his own bios but still treats your kids like your kids well should count their blessings. It's no easy task.

DogMomOnly's picture

I have no interest in having children and I really don't want someone else's. But I did fall in love and marry a man with two. MIL says I am a "self-proclaimed child-rearing expert" because I read and share parenting articles with my DH. I guess she's offended that I try to learn how actual parents/experts raise their kids? Or maybe she's just offended that I'm trying to teach them respect and manners instead of laziness and entitlement. She told DH (her own son) he "USED to be a good dad", that is until I came along and made him realize how oblivious to their behavior he was. SS11 was diagnosed with ODD (which I told DH for a year the kid had) and is in counseling. SD14 was becoming a bit too promiscuous at her age, which DH never would have known about had I not suggested he read her text messages and keep up on her social media accounts.

My parents raised me to say please and thank you and to respect elders. They taught me the importance of chores and failure. All things that come up in life and have to be dealt with. Skids expect to be given everything and be taken anywhere they say. MIL thinks they can do no wrong, they're pure angels of course. Now she doesn't have a relationship with her son due to her lack of decorum (or intelligence). And I certainly am not sad about such an evil person being out of my life.

dirtybiology's picture

I quit confiding in the people who would say that dumb stuff. And don't let them get away with saying it, I would flat out tell them they're wrong and need to think about what it really means to BE a parent.

Rags's picture

There is a notable difference between being a parent and just being a breeder.

One is a biological action, the other is a cerebral process and the only choice that is truly eternal.  Being a parents is an eternal choice that continues long after we are pushing up daisies.

When it is done right, it bears eternal benefit for our kids, and their kids, and so on.............

Nobio's picture

Well, I am still married first off. Lol

Child is now 14 and between OP and now I helped DW with getting full custody from shit biodad. He is still a POS, child still occasionally wants to go see him. Less and less... maybe solely bc she is 14. 

Wife has many chances to change her attitude about me and parenting. While she doesn't say things so blatantly mean and condescending, she will slip from time to time when mad and have her go-to "its not your business" ready. Most recently it was over the child getting ANOTHER (12 this year) full day out of school for a morning Dr appointment. I came home and uncharacteristically (I was livid my day's to-do list was screwed) stated "why are we not in school?!" And at least privately now, wife told me "its not your business". 

I have largely disengaged over the years. Lurking on this site helps. I have found the child to be a liar and backstabber and manipulative spoiled brat. If she was an adult and coworker, we would never get along. But here I am, living with her. Her latest was she didn't want to come home bc I make her late for school when I have to take her. I pick the time I pick bc I have to be at work at 8am 2 miles away from her school. Therefore,  she ain't late. She just isn't there early enough to do whatever it is she does for 20 minutes when her mom takes her. The result? I didn't take her at all that week and wifey had to leave her at her parents house due to her own schedule. Yesterday I took her again because I do love my wife dispite her sucking hard as a parent and try to help her. However, child went an hour early and when complaining I simply stated "I dont want to give you any reason to tell anyone that I make you late". She died a bit because I wasn't supposed to know this backstabbing lie. 

That sort of thing is my life now. For the most part disengaging works. I keep my conversations short with child. If she engages with me, I am not a monster.... I will chat, or at least "uh huh" every so often as she complains about her life/friend/teachers. I can count the times she has talked to me on one hand. 

She also was diagnosed at 7 (probably around the time of OP) with bipolar. Wife ignored it as a misdiagnosis. Child has, however had 4 therapists over this time. Last week latest therapist officially diagnosed child with bipolar again... not knowing the first diagnosis ever existed. Wife now believes it. 

Child, to me, pits people against each other to come out getting what she wants. I just haveore than once stated to wife... "my marriage is worth far more to me than how child turns out" and I refused to let bad parenting ruin my marriage. It is what child wants. 

Also over the years before disengaging wife has let it slip that child has lied (though wife didnt think a lie at first) about things I have said or done. Flat out fabrications about things I have said. Disengaging and telling my wife to her face I will not talk to child has helped. What helped the most is telling wife the (obvious) lies child tells about her. The veil has been lifted in that way. Child shit talks everyone. Its what she does. We all know that person. Child is it. "Mom almost killed me with her horrible driving" used to stay with me bc that is who I am and I knew it was BS. While child does the same telling wife I almost killed her in the car, wife believed it until recently. 

IMO child is that person we all have met, usually at work, who is just toxic. If they are interacting at all, they are bringing negative vibes. 

4, maybe 5 more years. But who is counting?

Dogmom1321's picture

Omg, do we have the same SK?? SD12 purposefuly stirs the pot to cause drama between people. Talks junk about everyone behind their back then lies to your face. She is manipulative and is only out to see what she can "get" out of people. Dad can't drive her over to a friends house? Not interested in being here. Extended family coming into town bearing birthday gifts? She's ALL about getting to Dads. Has chores to do still? Nope, no thanks - she will she if BM can pick her up instead. 

BM has been diagnosed with BPD. Wouldn't be surprised if SD12 gets a similar diagnosis as an adult. In literally ANY other situation this is not someone I would even consider being friends with: neighbor, coworker, neice etc. The whole "you knew they had kids" thing doesn't even apply I think. It's not the fact I resent DH for having a kid previously... SD12 just has a complete opposite personality of me and zero of DH traits. Makes it very difficult if not impossible to form a connection with. I've let go of the notion that SD and I have to have a connection at all. How she turns out if not my responsibility nor a reflection of myself. She has two parents that are responsible for her. 

Nobio's picture

I get it completely.  

Wife's mom and grandfather is schizophrenic. Child's biodad's brother is schizophrenic.  Child is bipolar 2.... which, if you dont know, is a precursor often to schizophrenia. 

Leads to lots of guilt my wife tries to make better with a "always say yes" attitude. Again, I will be the first to tell you she is a shitty parent. Disengaging has saved my sanity and marriage so far at least. I smile on the inside knowing that since its "not my business" the shit storm of an adult child will be will also not be my business. Wife hasn't figured out that far ahead. I have. Multiple accounts so my stuff is financially  separated. 

I love my wife. We were together in hs. She tried to be straight, got married, had child. Came back to me.... We are the perfect couple when you take child out of the equation. She knows it ans has said as much. She thinks its because child and I hate each other. I told her many times it is not that simple but its two families in one house and she made it that way. No one else. 

It isn't as simple as "resenting" that there is a child from somewhere else... it is the resentment that you believe that liar over me when we have known each other for 30 years. I have never done wife wrong, and outside of this she touts how honest and straight forward I am. Almost too honest.

I just give the child the rope. She will hang herself. I know it. One day her friends will hear the backstabbing and gossiping she says and her teeth will get knocked out. The world has a way of dealing with these types. 

Rise above it. Find some peace. If your marriage is worth it, ride it out as sanely as possible.  

Find some hobbies and friends. My wife gets jealous of my friends "getting the best of me". She says "I want you to act like that at home". 

I hope she realizes one day it is child who is the dark energy sucking out the light. I think she has been slowly. Hard thing for a mother to admit. 

Dogmom1321's picture

Oh she will definitely realize. May not ever admit to you... but she knows for sure. 

 

Dogmom1321's picture

Toxic BM would throw that line out to DH ALL the time when mad mouthing me. She definitely had golden uterus syndrome. Always thought she "knew more" because she had two kids and I didn't have any yet. She obviously didn't know how to keep her legs closed at 17 when she had her first kid though *eyeroll* with a different Baby Daddy of course before DH came along. 

Nobio's picture

My wife has golden uterus with guilt and a 18 year delivery nurse career. Im just a dumb paramedic with no children. How could I know anything about who grows up to be what? *snark*

Nobio's picture

For anyone reading this in the future....

The child is 16 now and just felt it was ok to physically assault me (and I have never laid a finger on her for all the reasons above) in walmart of all places. 

Surprise! DW actively did nothing to stop child from grabbing my shirt in a fist and shoving me by the shoulders. When I said she needed to be a parent now... DW says its all my fault. 

It all stemmed from me stating that a car in the parking lot must be 600/mo and apparently SD knows who "owns" it at school. All I said was "owns or drives? Bc hoe can a high schooler afford $600/mo car" to which SD then started with the "why do you fucking care? Why is it ant of your business?"... to which I finally said "shut up. Just shut up." And then SD grabbed my shirt and told me to "take it outside" like she would fight me.... where she shoved me. I reminded her that one day she will be 18 and I will no longer hold back from defending myself. 

DW did nothing but tell me it was my fault. 

 

Run yall. If this resonates with you. Run. 

Rags's picture

Why are you still putting up with this shallow and polluted gene pool bullshit from your wife and her shit spawn?

Nea

Nobio's picture

This was the freebie. I now have made it painfully clear the next time the law will be called. Added that after 18 years old, I will lay her out. If yall seen my body build,  you'd understand that wouldn't take much. Ex military, current paramedic. I'd have to hold back to not knock SD out. 

This all came from left field (her putting hands ON ME) bc of me being the most... fit. Not to mention she typically avoids me and I avoid her. Disengaging has worked for a large part of our time. 

She has a friend who has successfully ran off every man her mom has had... Im wondering how much that plays into it. 

Still. Both are fully clear, next time the law will be called and futures will be effected. That is the biggest reason I held back this time. Giving both a chance to do the right thing. 

Rags's picture

IMHO  there some things that are zero tolerance. Call the cops.

Tolerance of toxic is weakness.  Do do that.

Rags's picture

IMHO  there some things that are zero tolerance. Call the cops.

Tolerance of toxic is weakness.  Don't do that.

Harry's picture

' Wife's mom and grandfather is schizophrenic. Child's biodad's brother is schizophrenic ". This kid is Fu*ked.   In there teen years is when  bipolar and schizophrenia takes effect and stares showing bad.  This kid should have mental help ..  a full work up with a person with a MD. After there name not a PHD.  To understand how bad she is, and a treatment plan.  This type of mental illness is passed on.   
'Doing nothing buy having your head in the sand is the worst thing to do. For her.  This is the time ...if she stands a chance in life ,treatment the , early the better .