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how much is to much contact?

xomaxoai's picture

Am I being over reactive witch? They have exchanged 18 texts today, yesterday, 6 phone calls and numerous texts, and 3 days before that numerous t texts each day. She calls him almost every day there will be one and occasionally two days they do not speak. To me this is to much talking And is very inappropriate but he does not think so

hereiam's picture

You already know the answer, that is too much communication for exes. Does he claim it's only about the children? Married couples do not communicate about their children as much as your DH and his ex.

They are not emotionally divorced.

xomaxoai's picture

Only thing I know of going on is baseball tournaments and when I asked if she was calling to give updates he says no and changed the subject

omgstop's picture

I call bs, and heriam is right, they aren't emotionally divorced. How long have you two been together and how soon after the divorce?

xomaxoai's picture

We've been together 2 years first time he asked me out was a month after divorce was finalized I didn't actually go out with him till ten months after. I should of kept avoiding him

omgstop's picture

I call bs, and heriam is right, they aren't emotionally divorced. How long have you two been together and how soon after the divorce?

BethAnne's picture

Yes it is too much. But he won't realize it because he is still acting as if they are a couple and must tell each other immediately when little charlie does a poop or ties his own shoelaces. When I first moved in with my husband the amount of contact between him and BM was along those sort of lines. It was too much. You need to let him know that it upsets you and he needs to cut it down. If he really needs a conversation about something then it waits until exchange day. If it can't wait then one or two texts can be sent to sort something out. But other than emergencies there really isn't much information that needs to be shared in between exchange times. If he continues to refuse to acknowledge your requests then make him have all phone conversations out of your ear shot in the most inconvenient place for him, make him turn his phone on silent so that you don't have to worry every time you hear it beep that he has a message from BM and insist that he never (major emergencies excepted) stops what he is doing with you to answer a call or text from BM. It can wait until you two are done eating dinner/watching your movie/conversing..etc.

CupcakeMom's picture

Well, my husband's ex seems to use very evil ways, as I've seen so far. She is clever enough to turn it upside down so that my husband don't see the true nature of her moments. but she doesn't fool me. I'm not very much helpful to you since I have same problem. Latest was like 15 minutes ago...I overheard her calling him about some problem her sister has and she broke up in tears telling him she can not stand a thing more happening to her. He doesn't know I've overheard since I have been sleeping. So he took their daughter which was in our house and went out. I've called him few minutes after and he told me that he is driving their daughter to her mom's to get some of her clothes. What worries me is that he didn'e told me the real reason why he really stormed out of the house, and what worries me more is that all that was needed is one f***ing call from her and a few tears form him to jump to her help. I have no frekin' idea how to handle this nor how to act when he comes home.Any help or advice?

xomaxoai's picture

It sounds same as us. I had a major melt down over him going to her rescue a couple months back told him no more favors its not your problem your divorced she has to learn to deal and do on her own as far as I know he hasn't actually gone to her rescue since. he's been very secretive hiding when she calls deleting their messages so I think he still might be but at least its not as bad. As far as advice I'm the last person that can help there I left Saturday am currently 8 hours from him and not sure I will be going back. I was recommended to write a letter to him so I left a two am a half page letter telling him how all of this hurts me. All I got was a text telling me I love you so very much and miss you. Whew I checked phone records yesterday they had exchanged more texts. I would tell him you over heard and its not acceptable that he's no longer married to her and her problems are no longer his problems. Their child is the only acceptable communication he should be having with her. If he loves you and your going to make it he has to respect you and your marriage and talking to another woman especially an ex is not behaving in such a manor.

jssdallas's picture

Do you have children together? Can you afford to support yourself outside the home on your own? Do you have a good support network? You don't deserve this. If you can, leave.

ChiefGrownup's picture

My dh and his ex talk on phone maybe once every two or three months. They email maybe slightly more often.

They text anywhere from 0-3 times a day. 3 would be a lot, when something is going on. Most of the more frequent communication relates to SD15 who is barely getting through high school. Sometimes it's about autistic SS13 for whom there are administrative issues as well as "incidents" and achievements that we all share with each other.

So both of my skids tend to have urgent or complex issues in which info needs to be relayed. Yet their communication is about 5% of your dh/bm's.

There is no time for this man to be married to you and I mean "married" as an active verb. He's not "doing" marriage, he's existing in your house and saving all his emotional efforts for BM. Lucky you.

I would leave. But I've told you that before.

ChiefGrownup's picture

BTW, my dh often will read to me or show me exactly what she texted him or what he is about to text back. Not because I'm controlling or suspicious but because he is seeking my feedback in the nuances of communication. Asks me what she meant by that or what would be a better way to word his response in order to minimize her ability to fuck up our lives or skids'.

Does your dh freely share these texts and other communications?

CautiousOne's picture

My boyfriend and his ex wife do the exact same thing. Its everyday at times. And it can be as many as 30 texts. No phone calls though. It seems like everytime i turn around theyre talking about something. Its almost like she keeps the kid involved in random activities just to have a reason to call. Sad thing is shes with another man with his baby on the way and it seems she talks to my boyfriend more than hers.

xomaxoai's picture

I left Saturday. I'm scared to death of whats to come but I'm not going back with things this way. My family is supporting me in this decision though and lucky me my renters have thirty day notice so I have a home to go to. Guess its a sign its meant to be this way. No he does not show me in fact he is now deleting her texts. Hope she is what he wants thats what he got

xomaxoai's picture

Hope it was The right choice so many hard changes I don't Like any better but hopefully it will all work out for the best.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Best wishes, xomaxoal. No matter what comes next, never let anyone treat you like this again. Glad you a have a support system. Let us know how it goes.

xomaxoai's picture

we had a major blow out. He says he does not want to loose me that he's sorry for making me feel second best behind her, wants to be a man I'm proud to be married to and can always turn to but says he does not see how him talking to her is wrong!!!!!!!! I don't get it how can you even want to talk to some one that at the drop me a dime will treat you like shit and why would you think talking to another woman is okay?!?!?!?

ltman's picture

Do you have an X? Explain it to him as how would he feel if it was you constantly talking to your X.

ChiefGrownup's picture

My dh says nonsense this like this from time to time but he is really wonderful so great guys are capable of being this thick.

If you really want to stay with him and you really think they are not actually having an emotional affair but simple and egregious lack of boundaries and failure to understand what it means to be a real partner, train him. Every time he is texting her/calling/whatever past once or twice a day, do something he finds undesirable. Only you know what those things will be.

Examples are:

Get up and leave the room.

Call your gf he dislikes.

Plan to be out for dinner w/friends or "me" time. Just forget about what he's supposed to do for dinner. He wasn't paying attention when you made your plans, not your fault.

Go put on a face masque.

Start spring cleaning, throwing out items (oh? I didn't know you wanted to keep that, don't know what you were doing while I was purging stuff, I did it right in front of you, you could have told me.)

When he's paying attention to you properly, be your best self, flirt, be mysterious. This is the reward part. Now, you don't have to do that ALL the time, marriage is supposed to be about being your true self with someone who loves all of you, but it doesn't hurt to make a little extra effort when you're trying to bail out a sinking ship.

The key is don't be mad when you do these things. And don't call attention to them. Let the actions speak for themselves.

BTW, I'm really glad he softened up his stance from when you first confronted him. Maybe there is hope.

If you're interested, here's an example of how this method worked beautifully for me. http://www.steptalk.org/node/210294

I really do wish you the best and if you and dh can get back on track that would be awesome. You can't get back on track if he has one or more wheels on another track which is the way it is right now. If he really doesn't understand that, do try teaching him.

xomaxoai's picture

You chiefgrownup are amazing!!!!! I will give this a try for sure!!!! When I have taken the time away from enjoying my time with family this week I have spared nothing, told him every thing as upfront and honest as I could didn't hold back in any way scared to hurt his feelings. I do believe he is not cheating emotionally she is the one doing the majority of the calling he is the fool continuing to allow her to play her controlling games. He is wanting to go to counseling. So we will see what the counselor has to say about their ongoings.

CupAjoe's picture

ugh that sounds so frustrating! What a cop out to say that, he's just trying to excuse his behavior.

I'm glad SO hates his ex.

jssdallas's picture

Stay strong. I don't know if he can make it right or be happy. Sounds like, as it is so many times with these men, they want the help with child rearing but don't want to be the "bad guy" with boundaries. As far as the clothes thing goes that someone else posted-we have a full set up at our house as does their mom. We have 50/50 custody and they don't bring or pack any bags, but sometimes the stuff we buy migrates to their mom's house. Sort of awkward to say you can't wear that to school today b/c you are going to your moms. Feels like making the divorce an issue for them and they are the innocents so we do have clothing runs periodically or we buy new, but a dress they want for xyz reason may be at the other parent's house. It is annoying but we accommodate.

Stuanna19's picture

I know exactly how you feel and I actually started to manipulate the situation by saying that I would have to leave the relationship if it didn't stop. It then carried on so I started speaking to my male friend a lot more than usual. It wasn't till he could see how much it made him feel uncomfortable that he calmed the contact down. He still refuses to not pick up the phone to his ex when their daughter is with her but I just said that he will continue to live a very anxious and controlled life and I don't have to live it myself.
It's clearly a massive problem for us all. Do you think it's because men want an easy life and don't want the conflict with the ex???

xomaxoai's picture

Yes it is a very big problem how do you ever live with it and actually be okay with it? I feel like he might as well be cheating on me!!!! In some ways I believe so but how is that fair to the new wife. If this is how they are going to be they never should of started looking for another relationship.

Stuanna19's picture

It's such a difficult situation isn't it. I completely understand where your coming from. It's feels like you can't get on with your lives I bet? I always say to my partner that it feels like there is three In our relationship. can you think of other ways to sort to control freak out. People suggest boundaries to me.

xomaxoai's picture

OMG yes it does and I feel like the third wheel!!!!! I hate it so much I'm to the point I can't hardly be civil to him. How can you make boundaries work when he sees nothing wrong with what-if are doing,

xomaxoai's picture

Maybe if she was actually being nice and trying to get along it wouldn't bother me so but she's only nice when it benefits her. The rest of the time she is trying to sabotage our relationship or making threats. It took him an hour to get home last night twice as long as normal and I'm sure by the way he acted last night she was on a tyrant but by the time he finally showed up, I was already mad about them thinking I'm stupid to not have noticed how much their sons incoming calls has increased since his agreement to cut communication back to just the boys,so I was really pissed and refusing to talk to him. If he enjoys being used and abused so much he can have two of us treating him like crap.

xomaxoai's picture

Her threats mainly involve taking the kids away, limiting their time with him, and taking a sick old dog they had together. Since she found out he was seeing me she has made millions of false accusations against me starting with I was only with him for his money and last was telling him I'm cheating on him.

xomaxoai's picture

Most the time I believe this but he's been initiating as much as her here lately. And her calls are not just for the kids she is calling to complain about her job or her families legal battle over her moms estate or her dog is throwing up and she wants medicine from one of our dogs for her dog its usually stuff she does not need to call for.
Yes I called one. They told me there was nothing they could do to help as long as she is only making threats. That being a major pain in the butt is not illegal to call back when she actually follows through on a threat.

xomaxoai's picture

If I have to calm down enough to be honest yes. I would say he probably is just trying to appease her. But it doesn't it make it any easier to deal with him being there so much for her. That is my biggest struggle. She chose to cheat on him and leave why do I now have to try and find a way with being okay with this why don't I deserve to have a husband not emotionally connected to another woman??? I don't even know how or where to start to be okay with any of this is.

xomaxoai's picture

To me he is there for her every time he answers a call that is unrelated to the boys. Which seems to be about every day. His family pretty much hates her. And so does most of her family he is about the only one that protects and still sees the good in her. her sister wouldn't even invite her to the last family event but when I didn't show I was being called to come. everyone but him sees to see her real self but him!!!!

xomaxoai's picture

Her sisters say because she likes conflict and drama. According to them she has been like this since they we growing up but when I mentioned it to my husband he said she was the one always opting out of family events because she didn't want to be around their fighting. From what I've learned she started it then didn't have the nerve to show but he does not see that what ever she says he takes at face value. They planned a birthday for the boys that happened to fall on the Saturday their oldest baseball tournament feel. She tells him I'll take x to game so your wife wont be uncomfortable at the birthday party. When I told him more like she wont be uncomfortable around her family at the party he was upset with me because she was trying and I wasn't

misSTEP's picture

Let me give you an alternative here....

My DH had a batshit crazy baby mama. They have 2 kids together but never married. He told me she was crazy. I blew him off as over reacting. When I saw the crazy for myself, I demanded that he place boundaries if he wanted to be with me.

The next time they went to court, he had a No Contact Order put in place. Did BM like it? HELL NO. In fact, that was the part she fought the most on when they were in negotiations!! But the judge granted it and it was added to the Court Order. She broke it a few times, yes, but it greatly diminished the intrusion into our lives. We also had exchanges at a neutral third party location for high-conflict exes. We would go MONTHS and MONTHS without seeing or talking to BM!!

If he has a Court Order stipulating visitation, then follow it to a T and file a motion everytime she with holds the children. Have him do everything in text or email that way there is documentation. No more answering phone calls! Let them go to voice mail and answer only if an emergency.

That would be THE only way I would stay with this guy. He needs to learn and learn QUICK. He will SAY he'd understand if you talked to your ex all the time. But he wouldn't if it was actually happening.

I would flat out tell him: "You have ONE wife. YOU choose which one."