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hastin17's picture

Hey,

I posted this I thought but now I cannot find it.

Anyhow. My fiance's BM cheated on him 4 years ago and he walked in on it. So he would not take her back. And here we are now. I have been around for over a year now, and there was a girl before me on the scene for a little bit. Now I am finding that BM seems to want to control my fiance's life. And I realise this is an ongoing theme on this site.

What can we do to stop this BS from happening? This past weekend (his weekend off) as he gets the SD7 EOW... The BM suddenly decides that she will be taking the kid to an extracurricular activity which we put her in 5 months ago and then SD7 said she didnt want to go anymore. So we took her out of it, now that we moved an hr away from SD7. BM is taking her to this activity.
So the kid called me fiance this past weekend says she needs the uniform we purchased for her as she wanted to go to the class now. (She doesn;t need the uniform for her 1st class) so I immediately thought that this was BM's way of trying to take him from me on his weekend off.

Why won't she just leave it alone except for whats happening with the kid. I feel like its sneaky ways of being controlling of his life. She has asked him why he purchased things and questions where his money goes... although he pays his child support. And the BM also frequently hangs out with my fiance's sister which pisses me off to. I feel like she does this just to see what info she can get from us.

My question is also that, most communication I have stayed out of. And chosen not to have anything to do with btw fiance and BM. Is this the best way? Or should I be policing the stupidness that happens so that she knows I am the boss?

Also, why can't these women just go away? Can't they just be concerned about the kid and not what the father does? BM has a bf of 4 yrs and new baby. like WTH?

Any simialr stories would be appeciated!

Thanks to all of you in advance. I am really trying to establish my place in this sick and twisted trio, and attempting to stand tall on a slippery slope.

hastin17's picture

forgot to mention:

the last time SD7 called and asked to speak to me... I spoke to her only to hear her say "I don't know how to put it on speaker phone."

I immediately told me fiance that he has to NEVER let her talk to me on the phone again unless he is physcially with her because I will not be judged for my healthy relationship with his daugher by BM. OBVIOUSLY if she is talking about me and wanting to talk to me I am not the step monster BM thinks I am.

Journey1982's picture

I agree with you notasm. Since my kids turned 18 (3 years ago) I have spoken to my ex maybe 2-3 times. I don't feel tied to him at all and I'm sure he doesn't feel tied to me either.

Journey1982's picture

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not feel tied to my ex in any way. Maybe that's been your experience, but so far, it has not been mine. I have no social or business ties to him. The ex is definitely in my life, but that does not mean I feel tied to him.

realitycheckmom's picture

Actually if she thinks he is hiding money and lying about his income to avoid child support she is going to question. His money is her business because he has an obligation the child he had with her. The state most certainly feels his income is her business and will back her up. Sad but true.

Case in point my ex wants to get CS adjusted, he constantly asks me where I work and how much I make. I politely tell him to file and we will go back to court. He seems to think I am making more money than he is and I am not. The fact that he won't file for modification of support says he thinks he may be wrong and doesn't want to take a chance.

TASHA1983's picture

I respectfully disagree with that. I never ask my ex what he makes etc and he never does that to me, DH never asks BM and my DH would NEVER tell BM a damn thing about anything $$$ related, if she wants more CS or has a CS issue then she can take him to court period. All that matters is that she gets the money DH is ordered to pay, other than that she is no longer privy to his finances and the like. IMHO.

Thankfully DH's CS is taken right out of his check thru DOR-CSE so if there is ever an issue oh well, it is out of DH's hands, she can call his boss or DOR which she does every damn time because God forbid she can't get her nails done! :sick:

TASHA1983's picture

AMEN Sister!!! Smile

To all of the lazy, useless, pos BMs out there that think and act like that...GET A FUCKING JOB or STFU and MYOB! Your ex is no longer obligated to YOU for anything anymore...just the kid(s)! Get over yourselves...HIS money is OURS now! Wink

Stepmommyb's picture

Completely disagree with that as well. No biological parent should question where the other gets the money to spend on things, ask details, etc. that's when someone should file papers instead of asking!

hastin17's picture

I guess I am attempting to ask a question that did not get accross in my post originally. I know they have a child together but is it necessary for her to question where he spends his money? And also for her to attempt to monitor his every move in sneaky ways.

I would be all for the well being of the child however, she doesn't even take care of the kid properly which is a whole other post... but I don't see her intentions being about the child in most cases...

I am wondering where the line is supposed to be drawn in the midst of all of this mess?
Or are we supposed to but out and leave the situation be?

Mercury's picture

They do not have to be tied together for life just because they made a baby together. Someday that kid will be old enough to learn how to compartmentalize her relationships... as we all do. I have very close relationships with people who will never know each other. Social circles don't have to overlap. Ridiculous.

It is up to him to start ignoring this woman and set some firm boundaries for your sake.

TASHA1983's picture

My dh despises bm so thankfully their interactions are nill to none. I am the one who controls the phone to which all of bm's calls/texts go to and you KNOW I sure as hell am not entertaining anything from that wench unless it is SOLELY skid related.

DH told me that one time when he went to watch his son's karate class (way before we got together) BM tried to sit near him and DH just got right up and walked away and sat elsewhere, she got all pissy and was like why can't you sit with me blah blah blah and he pretty much said we aren't a family I am here to watch him and thats it! I am so thankful to have a DH with a backbone who won't and doesn't put up with skid or bm bullshit.

Your fiance might have a pushy, nosey, bm but HE is the one that needs to put her in check. He needs to stand his ground and be consistent with her, much like you would with a child, as long as he is then eventually she will get the picture.

I agree with this way to approach it...

"Phone calls and texts about the child ONLY, he doesn't respond to questions about his money, his life, his relationships. If they're on the phone and she asks those types of questions, he needs to repeat over and over again: I will ONLY speak to you about matters pertaining to "Sarah". Is there anything else? If you insist on talking about anything OTHER than "Sarah", I will hang up."

The only thing I would suggest is to keep ALL communications with the bm either in text or email format only. But if phone communication is absolutely necessary then he NEEDS to handle it as such.

Bojangles's picture

I don't know whether there is a lot you aren't mentioning but on the basis of this post all I can say is that BM doesn't sound that controlling and I can't see how she's 'not letting go'? One phone call from SD herself to ask about the uniform for an activity she wants to start doing again is not exactly an oppressive level of intrusion. Had BM sent a barrage of texts or called repeatedly, or made some unreasonable demand about having the uniform delivered instantly to her door then I could see a problem, but that's not what seems to be happening here? You say yourself that BM has a partner and a new baby, she doesn't sound like she's hanging around causing problems all the time. I think it's unreasonable to insist that neither BM nor SD make ANY contact with your fiancé on his non-visitation weekend.

As for the money enquiries - realistically when a couple divorce and there is a continuing financial arrangement for the children there is an ongoing interest in each others finances until the children reach adulthood. The custodial parent always wonders if their ex's child support assessment is up to date, and signs of new affluence in the other home will often provoke concern about whether they are entitled to more CS. Meanwhile the non custodial parent who is paying CS wonders if it is being used responsibly and if the custodial parents circumstances may have changed. This is all just human nature, so I would see the odd enquiry from BM in that light - a bit annoying and nosy but par for the course.

You say:
"should I be policing the stupidness that happens so that she knows I am the boss?"
Well no. Because you're not the boss of your fiance, are you? You're not in charge of SD or her Dad's relationship with her and if you try to be you will set yourself up for a whole lot of problems. You have every right to expect that your fiancé be considerate and supportive in managing his relationship with SD and arrangements with BM, and that your opinion is respected, but it is overstepping to assuming some kind of management role in which you 'police' your fiancé's interaction and attempt to have the final say on what he is and is not allowed to do.

Overall, given the lack of evidence of BM's controlling and intrusive behaviour, I did get a sense of some insecurity on your part - that anything she does looms very large in your mind and sets you up in defensive mode. You don't comment on how your fiancé handles things with BM, but I can't see anything 'sick and twisted'. It seems like you are jealous of BM's having ANY presence in your fiancés life, but unless you can come to terms with it and pick your battles it will cause a lot of stress and upset for you and for your partner, because realistically, with a 7 year old SD, BM is going to be a presence for a long time.

misSTEP's picture

This is your BF's issue more than BM's.

A lot of BMs want to control the lives of their baby daddy(ies). The only way this works is if the guy LETS them.

After a very short time of me being around, my DH went to court to have HIS parenting time spelled out in a CO. Because of BM's actions and harassment, he also asked for a No Contact order. Except for a few times of her breaking that order, they pretty much went to nothing for communication besides written.

Both skids are over 18 now and it has been over a year since BM reared up her ugly head and that was even by text only. It has to be over 4 years since BM called up and screamed at DH.

YOUR BF ONLY ALLOWS HER TO RUN THE SHOW BECAUSE SHE MAKES HIS LIFE MORE HELLISH THAN YOU DO! }:)

hastin17's picture

A lot of interesting information on here. So much to take in at once!
Thank you all for all the time you put into commenting..

I guess the question remains as it does every day for me.. is this all even worth it?
And I may need to step back and re-evaluate whether this kind of arrangement is for me anymore. Sadly it is seeming to be too much of a hassle and worry. I guess I just see the BM in a negative light for all the things I have seen and heard which would be so much to type on here. And the issues with the SD7 are never ending and exhausting.. Constantly worrying about my future and what kind of a mess it will look like when I have my own children etc etc.

I come from a divorced family but my parents were fine, civil, no problems after I was 3. So it's not that I am not used to the situation, I guess I am just frusterated. And maybe a man without bagagge would be better for me. Slowly I have been realising this. I don't want to look back ten years from now and wish I would have left... because apparently this mess doesn't get better, and maybe I am selfish and want my fiance to myself and not have exs pulling him around and forcing him into things. It's really sad to watch how his life has been ruined by that woman.

Anyway,

Thank you all. A lot of thinking to do... asap, holidays are fast approaching and I am positive that will cause huge fights between us too. I feel as though I just have to choose to do things I want to do and alone because he has obligations that are not me obviously.Probably not ready to give up my 'me' time as I don't have any kids of my own.

TASHA1983's picture

I know exactly how you feel.

I stayed with and married a man that has a kid and bm that I despise. I hate that she gets 920.00 a month of my dh's hard earned money and as a result my dh can't even afford to upgrade his pos truck. I hate that this gold digging whore is still in the picture and that brat has to be around too.
Being with a man with a kid(s)/ex(s) still in the picture is thee worst! You have to share your man, most of the time you are NOT #1, the list goes on and on! It definitely seems as though the cons outweigh the pros by a long shot most days, that is unfortunately a reality for most SM on here.

I personally do not see anything POSITIVE about having a skid/bm in the picture, not ONE good, positive thing. The only upside to this never-ending nightmare is that SOMEDAY the CS will end...I just pray that I live long enough and am still with DH to actually see it and benefit from it! Sad

TASHA1983's picture

Yeah we KNOW that BM pulls/ed that speaker phone shit if DH ever has to talk with skid which is hardly ever because everything is text only when it comes to skid/bm communication. She is a very sneaky, lying, manipulative, pos so we know not to ever give her an inch!

The KEY to EVERYTHING skid/bm related is how our SO's handle it! They need to be the ones that put the kids and BMs in check, set boundaries, and put us and our relationships first. The skids and BMs would be totally powerless if all of our SO's would just realize that they carry all of the cards to making this skid/bm nightmare even close to bearable! The trick is getting thru to most of these stubborn idiots lol.

BSgoinon's picture

Tasha, tell me... honestly, and you can PM me if you want. But I feel compelled to ask, are you happy in your marriage? Like, honestly HAPPY. Beneath the surface, are you really certain this is who you want to spend the rest of your life with? Because honestly, the vibe that I get from you is miserable. I couldn't live like that. I understand this is a place to vent, so we hear all of the things that piss you off. But for sake of my own sanity, I need to know that there are good times for you two as well.

Just curious. You don't have to answer me, but every time you post I wonder "WHY DOES SHE STAY WITH HIM IF SHE IS SO MISERABLE?!?!?"

TASHA1983's picture

Honestly...there is more than just skid/bm bullshit that has me miserable in my marriage and life in general. I have alot of insecurity and trust issues in general, always have. (Long story)

We do have alot of good times, but my DH can be an ass for sure, not really in regards to skid/bm related stuff b/c he actually has a backbone in regards to that mess but there have been plenty of times where I have second guessed my relationship and marriage with DH for one reason or another. When I actually married him it was b/c I did love him or so I thought, but I have alot of issues/insecurites too that in hindsight make me think that I should have just stayed single! Sad

But in regards to skid/bm...I am very bitter and resentful etc. I hate that DH has to pay 920 a month and as a result there are things we do/go without, I hate that skid even exists and comes around, I hate having to share DH's time, money, etc and so on.

I am the woman that NO WOMAN wants to become! I am just a miserable person in so many ways, my insecurities, trust issues, anger, bitterness etc get the best of me all the time, I just find it hard to be happy in general when there is sooo much around me that makes me feel so down. Sad

I hope that sheds some light on my life, situation, and me as a person.

BSgoinon's picture

Have you considered going to talk to someone about all of this?

Honestly, these are things that a lot of us deal with and it IS possible to be happy despite the child support, despite the fact that he has a child that you are not the mother to. Despite the sacrifices you feel you are making. I am concerned for you. I feel bad for the skid and frankly... for your DH, he forfeits his child to be with you. I am not saying that to be mean or harsh, but in reading your posts, he does. Because you don't want the kid around. Sad

You can get help with the trust issues and insecurities. Please consider seeking that help. You need to be happy. It would be better for everyone involved that you are. You have to dig deep, and figure this out, for the sake of ALL of you.

Sorry OP for getting off topic there... just felt the need to dig a little.

TASHA1983's picture

I definitely want to talk to someone. The issue is if I can afford it, I know insurance would cover some of it but I also need to be able to afford to pay for it as well.

You are right, I don't want skid12 around, however I have never told DH that he can't see/spend time with his kid, I just personally don't want anything to do with him or be around him and to be perfectly honest with you skid12 has been blowing DH off since April. He tells DH that he wants to stay home. DH has spoken with him about it a few times, called him out on it and skid just does not want to come over. So DH lets it be. That is HIS (dh) choice. Yes, DH knows how I feel about skid but evenso he still can do what he wants right?
In fact DH and I had a talk about skid not coming over since April and it reminded him that around that time skid got in trouble at school, pretty serious, he called another kid a "fag" for "coming out" and for another episode as well. BM wanted DH to "lay into him" so to speak when he went on his visit with DH and DH had every intention of doing so but around that time skid started not wanting to come over and stay home and play with friends etc. so just the other day DH told me that is why he thinks skid has been dodging his visits. But even before DH and I got married and DH lived elsewhere and I still lived at home whenever DH had skid I would do my own thing and skid had DH all to himself...so honestly idk what the issue is...I just know that I want nothing to do with skid and it is up to DH to do whatever he sees fit regarding skid visits etc. IMHO. My resolve is not my kid,not my problem.

BSgoinon's picture

I feel like I am a pretty level headed person. I will PM you my email address. We can talk privately if you would like.

I get where you are coming from on a lot of this. I just don't agree that it is the right way to go about it. Maybe you and DH can come to some sort of a happy medium.

I am here if you ever want to talk.

whatwasithinkin's picture

adding to echo's thought: in this post you ask if you should be policing this stupidness to his ex knows "tour boss"

the boss of who? your fiance?

take it from the older members echo is right.

i currently have freshman in highschool and my ex is still tied to me.

not daily but we share children.

she questions your fiance abiut money? ask yourself WHY?

because he answers. how tied his ex is to him is within HIS control. NOT YOURS.
if your looking for her to have less involvement then you need to look at HIM.

hastin17's picture

Yea I agree I need to look at him.. but obviously that hasn't been going well for me at all and its been like talking to a wall..

I am realising more and more that I may need a man without baggage. This whole thing drives me insane. I just want to get all the SM on here together on a nice vacay so everyone can just relax and not have to think about all the ridiculous sh*t we think and worry about all day long!

As an update I am staying with family from today until monday while he has SD7. I have to really think hard about what I want and what the problems actually are because as you can see from my posts I don't even know anymore. I just want a relationship that is about the two of us I think, not about a kid that isn't mine.

Don't judge this statement please but this may help all of you to understand. He also 'reccommended' I abort a child this year so that may be part of the problem. Along with a miscarriage b4 that.. i have some health issues etc so it was the best decision I guess. I hate him for it and I hate the SD7 even more for it.

Thanks again for all the chatting. Sometimes I feel alone, and every other woman I talk to who doesn't have skids says no way that we should put up with half the crap we do.

TASHA1983's picture

It is definitely not an easy life...there is NOTHING easy or great about being with a man with skids/bms in the pic (the man part is great of course but the "baggage" no). It is draining in every way. It just sucks that when we finally find a man that we want to be with and love that they have to come along with THIS BS. Sad

asnoraford's picture

I agree with BSgoinon. In case of the bm not letting go, I know tons about that. Until my DH started repeating the phrase, "I am not interested in conversations that aren't about ..." and then walking away, it was like nuclear warfare every time they talked. Yet, she would never leave him alone. Because I too, had trust issues, he shared all these chats, text messages, conversations with me so that I never had to find out after the fact or another way. And we let a lot of things go to voice mail, then decided which call backs needed to be made. She once had a fit because he wouldn't take groceries (that he had bought for his son) up to her apartment for her. She started to fight and call him names, he told her that he wasn't responsible for "helping her out". That his responsibility was to his son.

There are support groups and community counseling groups that might be able to help. I understand that she is not your bd, but it might help you move beyond the resentment if you take another mantra to stand by. That mantra may be keeping you stuck in the way you are feeling, and it sounds like you don't like the way you are feeling.

Just a thought.

Good luck